Should the Warriors trade Jordan Poole?
 

After watching last night's game against the Raptors, and seeing how much more effective Donte Divecenzo (+24, 11 assists, 1 TO) is than Jordan Poole (-13, 2 assists, 3 TO) [B]in the Warriors system[/B], I'm starting to wonder if the best way out of the Warriors upcoming luxury tax crunch might be to trade Poole and use that $$$ to resign DDV and extend Draymond.

Because it's pretty clear by now that DDV is a much better fit for the Warriors style of play than JP is.

There are several teams with plenty of cap room and more 1st round picks than they know what to do with (OKC, Utah, San Antonio, New York) who could use a young player like JP to try and rebuild around, or alternatively they could try and trade him before the trade deadline (maybe to Indiana for Myles Turner and a 1st) for someone who could help them this year.

Thoughts?

Rebuild around? Poole is an okay sixth man. He is not a superstar. Sorry your team paid him like one.

You think that the front office who won't even trade away their bad young players to go all-in on another championship run (wiseman & moody) will trade the 1 young player they have that is actually really good?

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;18673788]Rebuild around? Poole is an okay sixth man. He is not a superstar. Sorry your team paid him like one.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much this. He's a good Jordan Clarkson, Jamal Crawford, etc.... If JP is who you're building around, you are going to have problems. I don't think any team would do that though. I'd say they are stuck with Poole with his new contract until the salary cap goes up again, then who knows.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;18673788]Rebuild around? Poole is an okay sixth man. He is not a superstar. Sorry your team paid him like one.[/QUOTE]

On a team where he's the primary scorer and his usage rate is much higher, he's have no trouble averaging 25-30 ppg. Heck....he's averaging 21 ppg on the Warriors as the #3/#4 guard.

There are plenty of NBA teams who could use a player like that....

I thought their bench was full of starters for other teams :confused:

[QUOTE=mfw13;18673830]On a team where he's the primary scorer and his usage rate is much higher, he's have no trouble averaging 25-30 ppg. Heck....he's averaging 21 ppg on the Warriors as the #3/#4 guard.

There are plenty of NBA teams who could use a player like that....[/QUOTE]

But he clearly isn't going to be a #1 on a decent team. If a team is rebuilding, why sellout to still miss the playoffs with him as your #1?

He probably could average 25-30 on the worst team in the league and jacking up 30 shots lol. He's averaging that high because he plays with Steph and Klay. Teams would much rather him shoot then those 2.

[QUOTE=Ericc5Bears;18673824]You think that the front office who won't even trade away their bad young players to go all-in on another championship run (wiseman & moody) will trade the 1 young player they have that is actually really good?[/QUOTE]

Except that he's not actually really good, at least in the Warriors system.

He's a streaky scorer who can put up 30 one night but only 10 the next.

He's a poor ball-handler who turns the ball over way too frequently and doesn't pass well.

He's a mediocre defender.

The one thing he does have is that incredible first step, which allows him to get to the rim against most defenders. But too often he settles for bad threes, and when he does drive, his passing isn't good enough to create good chances for team-mates when a big rotates over to stop his drive.

[QUOTE=mfw13;18673830]On a team where he's the primary scorer and his usage rate is much higher, he's have no trouble averaging 25-30 ppg. Heck....he's averaging 21 ppg on the Warriors as the #3/#4 guard.

There are plenty of NBA teams who could use a player like that....[/QUOTE]
And that team will be a bottom feeder.

[QUOTE=rhigh2390;18673836]But he clearly isn't going to be a #1 on a decent team. If a team is rebuilding, why sellout to still miss the playoffs with him as your #1?

He probably could average 25-30 on the worst team in the league and jacking up 30 shots lol. [B]He's averaging that high because he plays with Steph and Klay. Teams would much rather him shoot then those 2.[/B][/QUOTE]

Jordan Poole stats without steph curry last 2 seasons (32 games):
27-5-4

Jordan Poole stats with steph curry last 2 seasons:
17-4-3

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Not many bad teams are going to trade for a jordan Poole type contract. Maybe you get a low tier playoff team offering up a protected 1st rounder similar to the CJ McCollum deal but that type of trade happened mid season to a team needing a push. Can’t see the warriors making a mid season deal.

I’d expect the warriors to just deal with a ridiculous luxury tax bill until the brutal Klay Contract comes off the books at the end of next season. Is extending a 33 year old draymond even exciting to begin with? At some point this team is going to need to be in rebuilding mode.

[QUOTE=mfw13;18673841]Except that he's not actually really good, at least in the Warriors system.

He's a streaky scorer who can put up 30 one night but only 10 the next.

He's a poor ball-handler who turns the ball over way too frequently and doesn't pass well.

He's a mediocre defender.

The one thing he does have is that incredible first step, which allows him to get to the rim against most defenders. But too often he settles for bad threes, and when he does drive, his passing isn't good enough to create good chances for team-mates when a big rotates over to stop his drive.[/QUOTE]

Is that how you would sell him to other teams? Haha

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;18673844]And that team will be a bottom feeder.[/QUOTE]

Based on what exactly? The Warriors are 18-16 this season with steph curry and 7-8 without him. Do you know how flawed a roster needs to be to have steph curry and still only be slightly over .500? Despite that, Poole is still able to carry that flawed roster to just under a .500 record WITHOUT steph while averaging 28-4-3 in the process.

[QUOTE=Ericc5Bears;18673882]Based on what exactly?[/QUOTE]
Based on him being a below average three point shooter and terrible defender.

But by all means, let’s all pray the Warriors trade the guy to a team where he can be the star. I’d love to see the outcome.

Knicks are all over this.

[QUOTE=Ericc5Bears;18673857]Jordan Poole stats without steph curry last 2 seasons (32 games):
27-5-4

Jordan Poole stats with steph curry last 2 seasons:
17-4-3

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]

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Of course his averages are going to be up when Steph is out... I'd surely hope he can score more when he gets 7 more shots. With or without Steph, he's inefficient and would never be a #1 on even a decent team. Sorry if you can't see that, but it's the truth.

[QUOTE=oldgoldy97;18673893]Knicks are all over this.[/QUOTE]

Definitely on the table for the Knicks.

[QUOTE=Ericc5Bears;18673857]Jordan Poole stats without steph curry last 2 seasons (32 games):
27-5-4

Jordan Poole stats with steph curry last 2 seasons:
17-4-3

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I thought this was proven a while ago when someone brought that up. Isn’t Poole the player warriors need with an aging steph and klay? He’s proven he can lead the offense when those players are out and what would have happened last year without him when steph and klay were out? Seems odd to kick him to the curb after a win against the raptors when divecenzo, a player I thought warrior fans made fun of, had a better game. Warriors need scoring options and Poole has more 40 point games this season then divecenzo has 20 point games.

And this whole debate isn’t about Poole being THE guy right? Just throwing him away to sign divecenzo and extend draymond? Lol no, I would rather have Poole. Warriors have that money, they can continue spending more then any other franchise and extend draymond while keeping Poole.

Im not surprised he’s shooting worse. He’s worried Dray gonna jump out and punch him in the face.

[QUOTE=oldgoldy97;18673914]Im not surprised he’s shooting worse. He’s worried Dray gonna jump out and punch him in the face.[/QUOTE]

He knows drays history, the nuts are next. A mouthpiece to the eye from steph and he could be on that Ben Simmons path and never mentally recover.

[QUOTE=pingbling23;18673925]He knows drays history, the nuts are next. A mouthpiece to the eye from steph and he could be on that Ben Simmons path and never mentally recover.[/QUOTE]

:cry:

[QUOTE=pingbling23;18673909]And this whole debate isn’t about Poole being THE guy right? Just throwing him away to sign divecenzo and extend draymond? Lol no, I would rather have Poole. Warriors have that money, they can continue spending more then any other franchise and extend draymond while keeping Poole.[/QUOTE]

The OP seemed to insinuate that he could be THE guy for certain teams to build around. I'd definitely agree that Poole is obviously better than DDV.

Poole is a good 6th man. He will never be a #1 on a good team. The Warriors just made the mistake of paying him like a star.

[QUOTE=rhigh2390;18673958]The OP seemed to insinuate that he could be THE guy for certain teams to build around. I'd definitely agree that Poole is obviously better than DDV.

Poole is a good 6th man. He will never be a #1 on a good team. The Warriors just made the mistake of paying him like a star.[/QUOTE]

Oh ok. I think that is wishful thinking from a warriors fan to get back max value for a trade. No Poole isn’t that guy. He’s a second option on a mediocre team. But he was big for the warriors when they needed him during a championship season and has proven he can be a third option on a championship team. I don’t think you give that up with him being so young for divecenzo and old draymond.

Absolutely and most definitely a semi-major contributor to their Championship, I don't think Golden State is that stupid to trade him.

[QUOTE=Above the Rim;18673983]Absolutely and most definitely a semi-major contributor to their Championship, I don't think Golden State is that stupid to trade him.[/QUOTE]

They definitely wouldn't be getting back what they'd be losing, so I don't see him getting traded either.

[QUOTE=rhigh2390;18673958]The OP seemed to insinuate that he could be THE guy for certain teams to build around. I'd definitely agree that Poole is obviously better than DDV.

Poole is a good 6th man. He will never be a #1 on a good team. The Warriors just made the mistake of paying him like a star.[/QUOTE]

You see, I think DDV is a much better fit for this Warriors team than Poole, even though Poole may be the better player overall.

DDV is a much better defender, and a much better passer, whereas Poole has much better individual scoring skills.

But if I'm the Warriors exec who has to choose between keeping Draymond and DDV next year or keeping Poole, I'm trading Poole.

Priority is resign Bob Meyers...he's the one behind on creating this roster. Then I would possibly get rid of Klay. Klay isn't himself anymore imo. Everytime he shoots, it makes me cringe just like Draymond. Forces too many shots. Jordan Poole just needs more fluffing by the vets to learn and be his optimal self. He just needs to slow down..or get a better shoe contract.

Just know DDV is supposely the replacement for GP2. Poole is more of a replacement for Klay IMO...definitely not a PG.

Here's a list of contract's of whom will range around Poole's salary for the 23-24 season. It seems they're banking on him becoming a major factor. I'm not sure I buy that. I would sell on Poole at that price, but they're the Warriors. I wouldn't have paid him that money, but to see him Walk would have been bad.

28 Brandon Ingram NOP $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
29 Jamal Murray DEN $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
30 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $179,299,750
31 Michael Porter Jr. DEN $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $150,493,600
32 Zion Williamson NOP $13,534,817 $33,250,000 $35,910,000 $38,570,000 $41,230,000 $43,890,000 $206,384,817
33 Ja Morant MEM $12,119,440 $33,250,000 $35,910,000 $38,570,000 $41,230,000 $43,890,000 $204,969,440
34 Darius Garland CLE $8,920,795 $33,250,000 $35,910,000 $38,570,000 $41,230,000 $43,890,000 $201,770,795
35 De'Aaron Fox SAC $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
36 Bam Adebayo MIA $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
37 Donovan Mitchell CLE $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $97,800,180
38 Jayson Tatum BOS $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $97,800,180
39 Deandre Ayton PHO $30,913,750 $32,459,438 $34,005,126 $35,550,814 $132,929,128
40 Gordon Hayward CHO $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $61,575,000
41 Chris Paul PHO $28,400,000 $30,800,000 $30,000,000 $44,200,000
42 Jaylen Brown BOS $28,741,071 $30,723,215 $59,464,286
43 Kyle Lowry MIA $28,333,334 $29,682,540 $58,015,874
44 Jordan Poole GSW $3,901,399 $28,705,357 $30,901,786 $33,098,215 $35,294,642 $131,901,399
45 DeMar DeRozan CHI $27,300,000 $28,600,000 $55,900,000
46 Draymond Green GSW $25,806,468 $27,586,224 $25,806,468
47 Jaren Jackson Jr. MEM $28,946,605 $27,102,202 $25,257,798 $23,413,395 $104,720,000
48 Tyler Herro MIA $5,722,116 $27,000,000 $29,000,000 $31,000,000 $33,000,000 $125,722,116
49 Jalen Brunson NYK $27,733,332 $26,346,666 $24,960,001 $24,960,001 $79,039,999
50 Julius Randle NYK $23,760,000 $25,660,800 $27,561,600 $29,462,400 $76,982,400
51 John Collins ATL $23,500,000 $25,340,000 $26,580,000 $26,580,000 $102,000,000
52 Mike Conley UTA $22,680,000 $24,360,000 $37,000,000
53 Andrew Wiggins GSW $33,616,770 $24,330,357 $26,276,786 $28,223,215 $30,169,644 $112,447,128
54 Anfernee Simons POR $22,321,429 $24,107,143 $25,892,857 $27,678,571 $100,000,000

[QUOTE=tennelson55;18678868]Here's a list of contract's of whom will range around Poole's salary for the 23-24 season. It seems they're banking on him becoming a major factor. I'm not sure I buy that. I would sell on Poole at that price, but they're the Warriors. I wouldn't have paid him that money, but to see him Walk would have been bad.

28 Brandon Ingram NOP $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
29 Jamal Murray DEN $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
30 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $179,299,750
31 Michael Porter Jr. DEN $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $150,493,600
32 Zion Williamson NOP $13,534,817 $33,250,000 $35,910,000 $38,570,000 $41,230,000 $43,890,000 $206,384,817
33 Ja Morant MEM $12,119,440 $33,250,000 $35,910,000 $38,570,000 $41,230,000 $43,890,000 $204,969,440
34 Darius Garland CLE $8,920,795 $33,250,000 $35,910,000 $38,570,000 $41,230,000 $43,890,000 $201,770,795
35 De'Aaron Fox SAC $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
36 Bam Adebayo MIA $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
37 Donovan Mitchell CLE $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $97,800,180
38 Jayson Tatum BOS $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $97,800,180
39 Deandre Ayton PHO $30,913,750 $32,459,438 $34,005,126 $35,550,814 $132,929,128
40 Gordon Hayward CHO $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $61,575,000
41 Chris Paul PHO $28,400,000 $30,800,000 $30,000,000 $44,200,000
42 Jaylen Brown BOS $28,741,071 $30,723,215 $59,464,286
43 Kyle Lowry MIA $28,333,334 $29,682,540 $58,015,874
44 Jordan Poole GSW $3,901,399 $28,705,357 $30,901,786 $33,098,215 $35,294,642 $131,901,399
45 DeMar DeRozan CHI $27,300,000 $28,600,000 $55,900,000
46 Draymond Green GSW $25,806,468 $27,586,224 $25,806,468
47 Jaren Jackson Jr. MEM $28,946,605 $27,102,202 $25,257,798 $23,413,395 $104,720,000
48 Tyler Herro MIA $5,722,116 $27,000,000 $29,000,000 $31,000,000 $33,000,000 $125,722,116
49 Jalen Brunson NYK $27,733,332 $26,346,666 $24,960,001 $24,960,001 $79,039,999
50 Julius Randle NYK $23,760,000 $25,660,800 $27,561,600 $29,462,400 $76,982,400
51 John Collins ATL $23,500,000 $25,340,000 $26,580,000 $26,580,000 $102,000,000
52 Mike Conley UTA $22,680,000 $24,360,000 $37,000,000
53 Andrew Wiggins GSW $33,616,770 $24,330,357 $26,276,786 $28,223,215 $30,169,644 $112,447,128
54 Anfernee Simons POR $22,321,429 $24,107,143 $25,892,857 $27,678,571 $100,000,000[/QUOTE]

I just noticed Wiggen's is on this list and is under Poole...

SMH. Maybe injury woe's about Wiggins?

[QUOTE=tennelson55;18678879]I just noticed Wiggen's is on this list and is under Poole...

SMH. Maybe injury woe's about Wiggins?[/QUOTE]

Nothing like that at all. I'm quite sure he took a little less money to help the Dubs out.

He's already made A LOT thus far and will continue to make good money in the future. Don't think he's worried about missing out on $5-$10 million/year for a couple years as long as it helps the Dubs remain successful. He's pretty happy with the Dubs too.

Canadian Tax lol, also ya blow up the defending champs lol.

Poolboi averaging 12.7ppg on 34% shooting and 24% from three. Maybe he’s providing $128M level defense?

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;18832372]Poolboi averaging 12.7ppg on 34% shooting and 24% from three. Maybe he’s providing $128M level defense?[/QUOTE]

Warriors made a huge mistake re-signing him to that huge contract last summer instead of letting him became a restricted FA this summer and matching an offer.

He has that blinding first step and speed, but too often fails to finish at the rim and/or gets his shots blocked.

Given the Warriors salary cap situation and depth at guard (they will still have GPIII and Moody under contract next season), I think he'd the most likely to be traded this summer, but I'm not sure what the Warriors will be able to get for him at this point.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;18832372]Poolboi averaging 12.7ppg on 34% shooting and 24% from three. Maybe he’s providing $128M level defense?[/QUOTE]

Man has his defense been bad. His “me first” decision making on O is really killing the Warriors also. So many times he drives and has a wide open guy in the corner (which is exactly how Kerrs offense is designed) but instead decides to throw up some sort of contested finger roll like you would see in the hood of Pasadena.

Should the Warriors trade Poole: ABSOLUTELY

Will any other team take the trade with his salary: PROBABLY NOT

Poole is a pathetic defender. Yes, he can score over 30 every once in a while, but his basketball IQ to lead a team in a close game is way below average. I watch almost every Warriors game and I personally don’t think Poole is anyone’s favorite teammate in the locker room. I cringe when Poole has the ball in the final seconds of a close game.

The Warriors unfortunately overpaid for Poole. I agree, part of his salary could have helped the Warriors re-sign Donte or extend Green.

To be 100% honest, I cannot stand Poole.

Nope. All you have to do is look at Curry on his 3rd year. Same thing, a lot of people kept saying he is no superstar and better trade him. And a lot got made of letting Ellis go instead of him. Look at where he is now

[QUOTE=Lankybox;18833874]Nope. All you have to do is look at Curry on his 3rd year. Same thing, a lot of people kept saying he is no superstar and better trade him. And a lot got made of letting Ellis go instead of him. Look at where he is now[/QUOTE]

In other words, any scoring combo guard who is struggling in year 3 for Golden State should have a team built around him and expect multiple titles?

[QUOTE=Lankybox;18833874]Nope. All you have to do is look at Curry on his 3rd year. Same thing, a lot of people kept saying he is no superstar and better trade him. And a lot got made of letting Ellis go instead of him. Look at where he is now[/QUOTE]

I've yet to see any evidence that Poole has Curry's work ethic....Steph worked really hard for years to improve his defense.

[QUOTE=Lankybox;18833874]Nope. All you have to do is look at Curry on his 3rd year. Same thing, a lot of people kept saying he is no superstar and better trade him. And a lot got made of letting Ellis go instead of him. Look at where he is now[/QUOTE]

You do understand that Poole is at the end of his 4th year??

What happened with Curry doesn’t always happen.

I have been a fan of Jordan Poole since his rookie year (didn't get into his cards, though), and here are some things I think we should all remember:

He's 23 years old. This is a 4-year contract that will last until he's 27. It may not prove to be worth it in the short-run, but Poole will develop A LOT + take on a bigger role over the course of these next four years as he learns from the veterans he's surrounded by. It's just stupid to jump the gun and immediately draw conclusions based on his current performance, knowing contracts are made based on how the front office projects his career will pan out in these few years.

Yes, he's streaky and inconsistent. His defense sucks (and will most likely continue to be). He comes off as selfish, making dumb and questionable decisions.

But the TALENT is there. His skills (whether that be his handle,his ability to create space, or his tough shot-making ability) are extremely solid, and he's going to continue to make strides in his game. His job is solely to be a bucket. With time, he'll learn to play at his own pace and make smarter plays. Right now is still the learning curve.

Some guys just need time to develop and learn. I can see him becoming a CJ Mccollum-esque player with time. But remember players like Pascal Siakam, Draymond Green, Julius Randle, and Kyle Lowry who all needed time to become the greats they are today. Not saying he's like any of those guys but to give up on him this early in his career is just foolish.

A bucket who shoots 33.9% from three despite benefiting from the best spacing in the league. Yeah, that’s worth $100M.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;18833958]A bucket who shoots 33.9% from three despite benefiting from the best spacing in the league. Yeah, that’s worth $100M.[/QUOTE]

Once again, the front office makes contracts based on the future trajectory of their players. Things they see on the floor, in their practices, and behind closed doors. It's the eye test from professionals who dedicate their life to analyzing the game, and they see clearly see something special in him.

We all know the flaws of Poole's game. No one isn't acknowledging them. You can bring the numbers into the discussion, but everyone who watches basketball knows numbers don't always tell the full story.

[QUOTE=90sbasketballin;18834028]Once again, the front office makes contracts based on the future trajectory of their players. Things they see on the floor, in their practices, and behind closed doors. It's the eye test from professionals who dedicate their life to analyzing the game, and they see clearly see something special in him.

We all know the flaws of Poole's game. No one isn't acknowledging them. You can bring the numbers into the discussion, but everyone who watches basketball knows numbers don't always tell the full story.[/QUOTE]
Same front office who saw something special in James Wiseman. They don’t get every player right.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;18834031]Same front office who saw something special in James Wiseman. They don’t get every player right.[/QUOTE]

Yes, they don't get every player right, but Wiseman was in a completely different situation.

For one, he was always injured and hardly got any PT, but there are public reports that the franchise still saw something special in him but ultimately, needed to move him as he didn't fit with their timeline as a raw prospect who lacks experience. He needs time to fit the role they need him to play, but they're in a win-now situation and want to contend.

The Warrior's offense is driven by perimeter play and getting their guards open for threes. They simply wanted Wiseman to be a rim protector and screen-setting big rather than the offensive juggernaut he was going to become.

Wasn't doubt about his talent. It was about his role.

[QUOTE=90sbasketballin;18833941]I have been a fan of Jordan Poole since his rookie year (didn't get into his cards, though), and here are some things I think we should all remember:

He's 23 years old. This is a 4-year contract that will last until he's 27. It may not prove to be worth it in the short-run, but Poole will develop A LOT + take on a bigger role over the course of these next four years as he learns from the veterans he's surrounded by. It's just stupid to jump the gun and immediately draw conclusions based on his current performance, knowing contracts are made based on how the front office projects his career will pan out in these few years.

Yes, he's streaky and inconsistent. His defense sucks (and will most likely continue to be). He comes off as selfish, making dumb and questionable decisions.

But the TALENT is there. His skills (whether that be his handle,his ability to create space, or his tough shot-making ability) are extremely solid, and he's going to continue to make strides in his game. His job is solely to be a bucket. With time, he'll learn to play at his own pace and make smarter plays. Right now is still the learning curve.

Some guys just need time to develop and learn. I can see him becoming a CJ Mccollum-esque player with time. But remember players like Pascal Siakam, Draymond Green, Julius Randle, and Kyle Lowry who all needed time to become the greats they are today. Not saying he's like any of those guys but to give up on him this early in his career is just foolish.[/QUOTE]

That may be true, but the Warriors are going to be faced with a HUGE tax bill this offseason unless they get rid of either Klay, Dray, or Poole.

Now it's possible that they break up the gang by trading Klay or letting Dray walk, but which of those three do you think is the most likely to be traded?

[QUOTE=mfw13;18834330]That may be true, but the Warriors are going to be faced with a HUGE tax bill this offseason unless they get rid of either Klay, Dray, or Poole.

Now it's possible that they break up the gang by trading Klay or letting Dray walk, but which of those three do you think is the most likely to be traded?[/QUOTE]

I think Klay stays and rides out his last year of the contract (maybe re-ups at much lower deal). Dray may test the free agent market. His ego may think his value is much higher on the open market. The other part of me thinks he will exercise the player option for next year and run it back one more year. Than he will retire and get into the media business full time.

As for Poole, I would trade him. To me he is the ultimate get paid and coast kind of player. He coasted in college. I don't think he will ever be a high effort kind of player.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;18834031]Same front office who saw something special in James Wiseman. They don’t get every player right.[/QUOTE]

they DID see the talent in Wiseman but then when he got on the team they saw overall he didn't fit the offensive dynamic that they were used to. Pistons seem to have found a better use for his assets on the team with his averaging 13 points and 8 rebounds in 25 minutes

[QUOTE=duwal;18835267]Pistons seem to have found a better use for his assets on the team with his averaging 13 points and 8 rebounds in 25 minutes[/QUOTE]

Duren averaged 9/9 with barely any utilization on high effiency, and has better defense with 2 less years of NBA experience.

Wiseman is not good. He's never been good. And it's not system dependent. His days as an NBA starter are all but over. Will most likely be a career journeyman in the mold of Kevin Knox.

[QUOTE=Scottish Punk;18834882]I think Klay stays and rides out his last year of the contract (maybe re-ups at much lower deal). Dray may test the free agent market. His ego may think his value is much higher on the open market. The other part of me thinks he will exercise the player option for next year and run it back one more year. Than he will retire and get into the media business full time.

As for Poole, I would trade him. To me he is the ultimate get paid and coast kind of player. He coasted in college. I don't think he will ever be a high effort kind of player.[/QUOTE]

Whoa -- whoa. Poole is reportedly a hard worker. He just needs to keep refining his game.

I saw a report from Woj that said Klay is expecting a max deal.

[QUOTE=90sbasketballin;18833941]I have been a fan of Jordan Poole since his rookie year (didn't get into his cards, though), and here are some things I think we should all remember:

He's 23 years old. This is a 4-year contract that will last until he's 27. It may not prove to be worth it in the short-run, but Poole will develop A LOT + take on a bigger role over the course of these next four years as he learns from the veterans he's surrounded by. It's just stupid to jump the gun and immediately draw conclusions based on his current performance, knowing contracts are made based on how the front office projects his career will pan out in these few years.

Yes, he's streaky and inconsistent. His defense sucks (and will most likely continue to be). He comes off as selfish, making dumb and questionable decisions.

But the TALENT is there. His skills (whether that be his handle,his ability to create space, or his tough shot-making ability) are extremely solid, and he's going to continue to make strides in his game. His job is solely to be a bucket. With time, he'll learn to play at his own pace and make smarter plays. Right now is still the learning curve.

Some guys just need time to develop and learn. I can see him becoming a CJ Mccollum-esque player with time. But remember players like Pascal Siakam, Draymond Green, Julius Randle, and Kyle Lowry who all needed time to become the greats they are today. Not saying he's like any of those guys but to give up on him this early in his career is just foolish.[/QUOTE]

Mmmmmmmmmmmm, Kool-Aid!!!

[QUOTE=fabiani12333;18836554]Whoa -- whoa. Poole is reportedly a hard worker. He just needs to keep refining his game.

I saw a report from Woj that said Klay is expecting a max deal.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't show up on the floor with Poole - unless that is just sarcasm of course. :)

Klay expecting a max deal? I love Klay but he is not a max player anymore. He will be 33 when his deal expires after next year. He will be the mid level exception guy for championship teams with the role of running to the corner 3 spot and draining those all day long. I don't see him the best one of the two best players on a team. I want the splash bros to stay together, but if a team is going to give a max deal, I don't see how Golden State matches.

Is Klay a top 30-40 guy in the league right now? What is the cut off for MAX level player?

I’m just a box score watcher, so is Poole playing better than the box score shows?

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;18847401]I’m just a box score watcher, so is Poole playing better than the box score shows?[/QUOTE]

If you are rooting against GS, you are more afraid of Draymond shooting than Poole.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;18847401]I’m just a box score watcher, so is Poole playing better than the box score shows?[/QUOTE]

You can stop saying that now. We know you’re watching games.

[QUOTE=pingbling23;18847472]You can stop saying that now. We know you’re watching games.[/QUOTE]
Like I said, I watched five minutes of game 3 and turned that garbage off. Only NBA I’ve watched since January.

:cry:

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;18847485]Like I said, I watched five minutes of game 3 and turned that garbage off. Only NBA I’ve watched since January.

:cry:[/QUOTE]

It’s a cool narrative.

Is the Lakers defense that good or is Poole just not interested in putting forth the effort to make a difference because he's coming off the bench?

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;18847485]Like I said, I watched five minutes of game 3 and turned that garbage off. Only NBA I’ve watched since January.

:cry:[/QUOTE]

Khal being cool does not suit you. You’re as uptight as it gets. Don't worry Lulu will find his batman someday he will get to play summer ball.

Poole is who he's always been. A streaky volume shooter. Basically Herro minus the rebounding and passing + a chit ton of unnecessary and1 theatrics.

With the new cap rules the Poole fall from grace looms even larger. He doesn't make enough money to really trade for a disgruntled star, and you can't S&T him as you're well over the second line salary wise.

[QUOTE=brothertona;18847637]With the new cap rules the Poole fall from grace looms even larger. He doesn't make enough money to really trade for a disgruntled star, and you can't S&T him as you're well over the second line salary wise.[/QUOTE]

It's hilarious the warriors let Jordan completely fool them into paying him 120+ million lmao

Poole is probably the worst player in this series on either team. Dude is so below average in every single part of his game it's crazy. He is just an awful player

[QUOTE=rhigh2390;18673828]Pretty much this. He's a good Jordan Clarkson, Jamal Crawford, etc.... If JP is who you're building around, you are going to have problems. I don't think any team would do that though. I'd say they are stuck with Poole with his new contract until the salary cap goes up again, then who knows.[/QUOTE]

Clarkson and Crawford would punch you in the face for this.

[QUOTE=mcgee2134;18848129]Clarkson and Crawford would punch you in the face for this.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Those two are shooters. Poolboi is not. Even Luka shoots the three ball better than him in the playoffs.

[QUOTE=mcgee2134;18848129]Clarkson and Crawford would punch you in the face for this.[/QUOTE]

Lol I said it over 3 months ago. He's unplayable right now and I'd move on from him asap. He's horrible, but I've always said he looks like a guy you see at the local YMCA. He's crazy quick and can get by anyone, but his bbiq/decision making is sad.

[url]https://twitter.com/WarriorsShowYo/status/1653412498736041984[/url]

Better shooter than J Poole lol

Seems like lot of people here are hurt losing money on Poole when they bought at peak lol

[QUOTE=Lankybox;18849987]Seems like lot of people here are hurt losing money on Poole when they bought at peak lol[/QUOTE]
Like who?

I just listened to an interview with respected NBA writer and native of the SF Bay Area, Marc Spears. He says Poole is acting selfish:
[url]https://www.knbr.com/2023/05/09/marc-j-spears-jordan-poole-selfishness-poor-performance-could-set-stage-for-trade/[/url]

Not a good look.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;18847485]Like I said, I watched five minutes of game 3 and turned that garbage off. Only NBA I’ve watched since January.

:cry:[/QUOTE]

sounds hypocritical to even tune into the game at all

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;18673844]And that team will be a bottom feeder.[/QUOTE]
Nailed it.

Has there ever been a hobby career ethered worse than Poole’s? My god the last 12 months has been brutal for him.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;18915247]Nailed it.

Has there ever been a hobby career ethered worse than Poole’s? My god the last 12 months has been brutal for him.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but he performs when the "baddies" are courtside.

Yes, they should and did.

He'll get all the shots he wants now.

He'll be the Kemba Walker/Bradley Beal guy in Washington. We will see 35, 40, 50 point games throughout the season.

He's 24 and under a fairly team friendly contract. Will become an UFA at age 28.... I don't see this as a bad move for Poole.

The first Wizards/Warriors meet up will be awkward.....for Jordan Poole! :cry: