I just came up on a gold mine and im not sure how to proceed.
 

Hello everyone, this looks like a great forum and I thought I would first introduce myself a little bit. 42 year old male I live in the SF Bayarea. I am a huge Niners/Giants/Warriors fan, grew up here a die hard fan of all 3 teams.

A week ago I found an ad on craigslist of a guy looking to sell his entire collection. In it was 3 Jerry Rice 86 topps rookies, 2 Joe Montana rookies, and a ton of other old cards from Bay Area legends. Those are the 5 best. I boguht them all. Now here is what is crazy. 2 of the Rice's look like they have a very good chance of being graded PSA 10. The other one looks like an 8 or so. The Montanas look to me like they could be graded a 9.

I have spend a lot of time over the last few days reading about grading and checking out stuff on ebay. I would like to sell these cards for the max price I could of course but Im not sure what I should do because PSA grades the Rice rookies very harshly and incosistently. I was wondering what some of the more experienced collectors would do? Thank you in advance!

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Ugh, sorry about the massive pictures Im not sure how that happened.

Can't see, need bigger pictures.

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Step 1 send to PSA.
Step 2 count that CASH.

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Seems like PSA grades these extremely harshly. I was wondering if I should send them possibly somewhere else as I would be massively disappointed if they come back less than a 9. Also I read that PSA charges an arm and a leg if the cards value is 5 figs and above etc. Does anyone think any of these are 10's?

Also Im not sure where to sell them.

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Definitely not a 9 - stain at the top and way off center, for starters. This would grade much lower.

Grading advice can't really be done at a fair level via picture though. You'd need in-person inspections.

A lot of guys on here use grader services to clean and submit to PSA. I'd recommend getting a referral for that if you haven't graded before and are unsure of the process. They could help you get a better handle on expectations.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=mikee1186;18650855]Definitely not a 9 - stain at the top and way off center, for starters. This would grade much lower.

Grading advice can't really be done at a fair level via picture though. You'd need in-person inspections.

A lot of guys on here use grader services to clean and submit to PSA. I'd recommend getting a referral for that if you haven't graded before and are unsure of the process. They could help you get a better handle on expectations.

Good luck![/QUOTE]

Txs for the input! What do you think about the Rice rookies? I I think one of them is a legit 10 but Im not an expert.

all those cards are at least off center, with how hard PSA grades pre 2000 I wouldnt expect higher than an 8, and that one Montana might be a 6 at best.

edit: and the cards in screw downs may come back as altered since the corners may be squished

[QUOTE=nj1980;18650857]Txs for the input! What do you think about the Rice rookies? I I think one of them is a legit 10 but Im not an expert.[/QUOTE]

There's never a guaranteed 10 since the line between 9 and 10 is so small, and due to the subjectivity of graders, and other reasons. Those do look very good in the pictures so that 9 or 10 could be in the cards, but like I said, nobody can give you an accurate assessment except in person.

As for specific advice about the grading challenges of that card, I don't know.

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I was thinking this one may be centered enough to be a 9 or 10.

Something tells me that the seller was the one who hit the goldmine.

Should I take these out of the screw down cases?

[QUOTE=nj1980;18650874]Should I take these out of the screw down cases?[/QUOTE]

That's a whole other subject. You'll need to if you want to grade them, but they may be damaged in there. Old screw downs are known for it. Proceed very carefully.

I have seen pictures of RIce rookies which have been graded PSA9 or 10 which look worse than the one I have. I have also seen a 7 or 8 grade which looked near perfect. Makes no sense, and with tens of thousands of dollars potentially at stake you would think they would offer a consistent service. I have wondered if they are intentionally manipulating the market.

[QUOTE=nj1980;18650874]Should I take these out of the screw down cases?[/QUOTE]

Yes.

Also I don’t think centering on any of them will yield you a 10.

In fact, if you got at best one 9 I would be really surprised.

Expect 8’s or worse.

[QUOTE=nj1980;18650884]I have seen pictures of RIce rookies which have been graded PSA9 or 10 which look worse than the one I have. I have also seen a 7 or 8 grade which looked near perfect. Makes no sense, and with tens of thousands of dollars potentially at stake you would think they would offer a consistent service. I have wondered if they are intentionally manipulating the market.[/QUOTE]Think that way and you will be back here complaining. Assume the worst

The 2nd Rice has corner wear probably a 6

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I have a graded psa7 Rice rookie that looks worse than that 2nd Rice.

[QUOTE=nj1980;18650871]I was thinking this one may be centered enough to be a 9 or 10.[/QUOTE]Be very very careful getting it out of the screwdown and into a card saver 1. Nick one corner and its a 7

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[QUOTE=nj1980;18650902]I have a graded psa7 Rice rookie that looks worse than that 2nd Rice.[/QUOTE]I believe you. I have a PSA 8 Gwynn with a wrinkle.

Just temper your expectations.

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[QUOTE=nj1980;18650884]I have wondered if they are intentionally manipulating the market.[/QUOTE]

Never attribute to conspiracy what can just as easily be attributed to incompetence.

But in this case, the answer is both.

[QUOTE=nj1980;18650871]I was thinking this one may be centered enough to be a 9 or 10.[/QUOTE]

I just took this out of the case and put it in a top loader. Other than the slight off centering its pretty flawless. I dont see any reason why this should not come back less than a 9 other than market manipulation. Ive seen many online that have been graded 10 that are in worse shape.

What are these grader services one of the posters here talked about?

Are they worth it, can they be trusted, and how does one get a referral? And lastly what is the cost?

[QUOTE=nj1980;18650951]What are these grader services one of the posters here talked about?

Are they worth it, can they be trusted, and how does one get a referral? And lastly what is the cost?[/QUOTE]

You may get some more bites asking the folks in this section the various qualities of each grading service. Each have their defenders and opponents, YMMV.

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[QUOTE=TheFrenzy;18650912]Never attribute to conspiracy what can just as easily be attributed to incompetence.

But in this case, the answer is both.[/QUOTE]

"TheFrenzy's Razor" rule of thumb ;)

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edit: and the cards in screw downs may come back as altered since the corners may be squished[/QUOTE]

This, Im assuming those cards have been those screw downs for a very long time and have been squeezed over time. PSA more than likely will grade them as altered.

No I took them all out and you cant tell even tell that they have been in screw downs.

Seems like theres a lot of negativity on this site or is it just my imagination.

You need to look at the card with a jewelers loupe. Those edges dont look psa 10 clean to me and thats what will kill you besides surface issues which cant be seen in images.

[QUOTE=nj1980;18650982]No I took them all out and you cant tell even tell that they have been in screw downs.

Seems like theres a lot of negativity on this site or is it just my imagination.[/QUOTE]

You are asking about the rookie card of one of the greatest NFL players ever, in one of the MOST condition sensitive set ever created, being store in a case that has destroyed more cards than preserved. A card that at over 28,800 have been graded by PSA, only 59 have received gem mint, and only 1058 out of hundreds of thousands created, have even received a PSA 9.

You are looking to spend a lot of money to grade these to maximize value.

The odds are well against you in having a 9 in this card. And almost zilch that it is a 10. Not to mention other factors such as sheet cut and surface issues we cannot see, we are being measured and honest.

These are great cards. Great finds. But based on the few apparent issues and the initial enthusiasm, I would be shocked if you received 8s or higher on these. Thats not being negative, just being realistic.

What does initiial enthusiasm have to do with the grading of the cards?

Do you get docked for being excited?

I wasnt aware there was emotional residue transferred to the card and into PSA headquarters.

I took the cards out of the screw downs. Thankfully there were no issues with corners squashed and whatnot. If I submit the pictures to you now of them in their top loaders nobody would have ever known they were ever in a screw down case at all.

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You are looking to spend a lot of money to grade these to maximize value.

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Why would it be a "lot of money". According to you they are no better than a 7 so they wont charge any more than usual.

[QUOTE=nj1980;18650982]No I took them all out and you cant tell even tell that they have been in screw downs.

Seems like theres a lot of negativity on this site or is it just my imagination.[/QUOTE]

It may seem like negativity but it's just people who have graded 1,000's of cards being realistic with you. If you just posted the cards and said, look what I just got, people would be happy for you. But you asked for opinions. Would you rather people lied to you?

I thought the same when I found a Jordan rookie and it looked great to me. Posted a picture and it got torn apart when I asked about grades. But people were right and it came back a 6. Sometimes it's better to just listen and learn.

Be excited. That's what it's all about! But you came here to find people to share in the excitement (I really think this is an awesome find!) AND to get realistic advice. Just do what you can to prep the cards for submission to give yourself the best chance at success. People here can give advice from past experience about how tough this set and card are graded, but nobody can tell you exactly what PSA will do with these cards. If you expect 7s and 8s then it will be a nice surprise if you get any higher.

It seems to me that the "screw down cases will ruin your card" is not a valid argument. Has it happened? Sure. Im sure top loaders have ruined cards in some instances as well. If you dont use them properly it wont end well, no matter what it is.

Thankfully like I said I pulled them out and they were all fine.

[QUOTE=mikee1186;18651019]Be excited. That's what it's all about! But you came here to find people to share in the excitement (I really think this is an awesome find!) AND to get realistic advice. Just do what you can to prep the cards for submission to give yourself the best chance at success. People here can give advice from past experience about how tough this set and card are graded, but nobody can tell you exactly what PSA will do with these cards. If you expect 7s and 8s then it will be a nice surprise if you get any higher.[/QUOTE]

The crazy thing is Ive seen 9s and 10s that look worse than the one I have. I dont understand what is up with PSA but this isnt cool. Honestly I dont even know why we stand for all this. We are paying them for a service, not to be taxed by some disgruntled clown because he got dumped by his gf in the morning. How are they an industry leader?

[QUOTE=nj1980;18650999]What does initiial enthusiasm have to do with the grading of the cards?

Do you get docked for being excited?

I wasnt aware there was emotional residue transferred to the card and into PSA headquarters.[/QUOTE]

If this is how you respond to people who are giving you their honest opinion (which is spot-on, I might add), stick around, you'll fit in quite well here.

[QUOTE=nj1980;18651028]The crazy thing is Ive seen 9s and 10s that look worse than the one I have. I dont understand what is up with PSA but this isnt cool. Honestly I dont even know why we stand for all this. We are paying them for a service, not to be taxed by some disgruntled clown because he got dumped by his gf in the morning. How are they an industry leader?[/QUOTE]

There are other strong options, but the market return won't be there for you. I've loved using SGC for a few submissions. They have a great product. But you'll be 25% minimum off PSA comps, probably more.

I wasnt trying to be rude, and I do appreciate the input here. I just dont see how "based on initial enthusaism" would have anything to do with the actual value of the card.

Correction. It cant possibly have anything to do with the grading of the card.

[QUOTE=nj1980;18650982]No I took them all out and you cant tell even tell that they have been in screw downs.

Seems like theres a lot of negativity on this site or is it just my imagination.[/QUOTE]

I don't see anyone being negative, just being honest.

After looking at your pics, I don't even think you have a 9 in that bunch, but at the end of the day, what does that mean? Did you buy them with the intention on trying to flip or are you a collector?

As a collector, I want cards like that in my collection, doesn't matter what shape they're in, so long as they aren't destroyed.

You have a cpl of hugely popular HOF rc cards there and they are in relatively decent shape.

A PSA 10?
Absolutely no way you have a PSA 10 there. One of your Rice's might be a PSA8.5, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The Montana has rough edges and a stain at the top, and your pics are blurry.

First things first, you need a jewelers loupe.
Under magnification, if you find a single edge chip, a little pressure dent on the surface, a print dot, a slight amt of wear anywhere on the gloss, it's not a 10.
I see chipping, i see uncentered borders, I see rough edges just from your pics, and they aren't even completely in focus.

I won't even mention the size requirements, and how, back in the day, you could have 10 of these cards be 10 different sizes, and I will also not mention the trash people in this hobby trying to trim cards like this in order to try to get a higher grade.

Lastly, we can only judge by what you're showing us. See if you can take clearer pics, use a scanner, etc.. get them into focus.
If not avail, I would take these to a card shop (show) and get more eyes on it for additional opinions. Any dealer worth his/her salt prolly has a loupe handy for reviewing the condition of a card.

Let me take a picture of the best rice one more time now that its out of the screw down.

If this isnt a 9, and you can find numerous 9s and 10s online that look way worse it is a massive injustice. I dont understand how this is tolerated.

Fellow Niners fan here.

No one's being negative, I think you just need to wrap your head around the fact that there are guys and gals here who have submitted 1000's upon 1000's of cards and really understand the nuance of grading. They know everything. You came for advice, you are getting advice, just maybe not the feedback you hoped for.

The odds any of these are 10s is massively low. I'm talking statistical odds. No emotion involved. The Rice specifically is graded INCREDIBLY harsh with that green border, print defects and centering. Even the slightest excuse to knock it down a grade, and grader a will do it. Have you looked at it under magnification?

Being held in screwdowns means they may be flattened, and PSA will kick it back for that. There are also a lot of fakes around.

I have PSA 9's of both of these and I have separately graded these cards on my own over the years.

Wish you all the best luck, honestly, just know it will a statistical improbability that you have a 10.

[QUOTE=nj1980;18651038]I just dont see how "based on initial enthusaism" would have anything to do with the actual value of the card.

Correction. It cant possibly have anything to do with the grading of the card.[/QUOTE]

That was clearly not what the person meant, because that would be flat-out stupid.

What they obviously meant was that your expressed enthusiasm about how great the condition of these are (9s and 10s!), when viewed in combination with the pictures that, to all the experienced collectors here, do not reflect the grades you think the cards would get, suggests that you probably don't have a great idea what you're looking at when it comes to predicting grades.

Think about it this way - someone posts a picture of a card with a few visible issues and says "Hey, what do you think this would grade?" People say hey, that looks like maybe an 8. Nice card.

Compare that to someone who posts the same picture with the same visible issues and says "Hey, this looks like a ten to me! What do you guys think?" People will say man, this guy thinks it's a 10 despite these visible issues that would make it no better than an 8? He doesn't seem to know what he's doing. I wonder if there are additional condition issues that he's missing that aren't visible in the pictures.

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[QUOTE=nj1980;18651038]I wasnt trying to be rude, and I do appreciate the input here. I just dont see how "based on initial enthusaism" would have anything to do with the actual value of the card.

Correction. It cant possibly have anything to do with the grading of the card.[/QUOTE]

You titled the thread "I came up on a gold mine" and were claiming these cards were all 10s, 9s worse case scenario.

They are all obviously run of the mill 8s or less.

Hence, based on your initial enthusiasm of high grades when they obviously were not, I imagine there are other factors that will cause the grades to be much, much lower.

You seem to have novice experience with cards, and I honestly feel as if these have several factors that your eye is not trained to look for that would get these murdered by a professional grader who had these in hand.

Thats what I meant by "initial enthusiasm"

TL, DR; you dont know what you're doing, so I think these probably have a lot of flaws you don't even know how to look for.

[QUOTE=zworykin;18651051]That was clearly not what the person meant, because that would be flat-out stupid.

What they obviously meant was that your expressed enthusiasm about how great the condition of these are (9s and 10s!), when viewed in combination with the pictures that, to all the experienced collectors here, do not reflect the grades you think the cards would get, suggests that you probably don't have a great idea what you're looking at when it comes to predicting grades.

Think about it this way - someone posts a picture of a card with a few visible issues and says "Hey, what do you think this would grade?" People say hey, that looks like maybe an 8. Nice card.

Compare that to someone who posts the same picture with the same visible issues and says "Hey, this looks like a ten to me! What do you guys think?" People will say man, this guy thinks it's a 10 despite these visible issues that would make it no better than an 8? He doesn't seem to know what he's doing. I wonder if there are additional condition issues that he's missing that aren't visible in the pictures.[/QUOTE]

Gotcha, this makes much more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

[QUOTE=nj1980;18651057]Gotcha, this makes much more sense. Thanks for clarifying.[/QUOTE]

NP.

For what it's worth, I hope they grade well for you. Sometimes you get a grader who's feeling generous. And they're nice cards regardless.

[QUOTE=nj1980;18651046]Let me take a picture of the best rice one more time now that its out of the screw down.

If this isnt a 9, and you can find numerous 9s and 10s online that look way worse it is a massive injustice. I dont understand how this is tolerated.[/QUOTE]

It comes across as if you're trying to talk us in to convincing you the cards are gems and must be sent in for grading.

None of the cards are 10s, and there's a 95% chance none of them are 9s either.

Great cards! Now either send them in to be graded or don't. I would expect 6-8s on all of them and there's nothing wrong with those grades. It doesn't matter what you've found online through pictures and cases to compare. Everyone's biased when it comes to the condition of their own cards.

Heres the thing.

I have seen Rice 86 topps online graded 9s or 10s that look way worse than the one I just posted. Why would mine be graded a 7 or 8 thats a bunch of BS and PSA should be ashamed of themself.

And yes Im fully aware there are other options but none of them command the same respect so we are basically forced to submit them to this joke of a company and pray that the assclown grading the card that day got laid that morning.

Its disgusting.

Like I said earlier I also have a Rice PSA7 that has been graded. its nowhere in the same ballpark as 2 of these others.

PSA 4 and PSA 6 on the montana
PSA 6 , PSA 7 , PSA 8 on the Rice

Just send them to psa and let them do their job.
Save money in case you'll get charge more.

[QUOTE=49erRCCollector;18651049]Fellow Niners fan here.

No one's being negative, I think you just need to wrap your head around the fact that there are guys and gals here who have submitted 1000's upon 1000's of cards and really understand the nuance of grading. They know everything. You came for advice, you are getting advice, just maybe not the feedback you hoped for.

The odds any of these are 10s is massively low. I'm talking statistical odds. No emotion involved. The Rice specifically is graded INCREDIBLY harsh with that green border, print defects and centering. Even the slightest excuse to knock it down a grade, and grader a will do it. Have you looked at it under magnification?

Being held in screwdowns means they may be flattened, and PSA will kick it back for that. There are also a lot of fakes around.

I have PSA 9's of both of these and I have separately graded these cards on my own over the years.

Wish you all the best luck, honestly, just know it will a statistical improbability that you have a 10.[/QUOTE]


I hear you. I just dont understand why there are numerous 9s and 10s out there that look far worse, and yet all of a sudden PSA is bending over backwards looking for any excuse to lower the value of these.

Its market manipulation and its wrong and frankly something needs to be done imo.

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Just send them to psa and let them do their job.
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This is the problem. They dont do their job properly.

I have a Rice that is better than some of the 9s and 10s out there but it will likely come back an 8.

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Can someone tell me whats wrong with this one and how it doesnt deserve at least a 9?

Because its Jerry Rice and its 86 topps? It looks like roughly 60/40 centering and 4 sharp corners with no visible issues of any kind.

[QUOTE=nj1980;18651075]This is the problem. They dont do their job properly.

I have a Rice that is better than some of the 9s and 10s out there but it will likely come back an 8.[/QUOTE]

There is only one pic of a psa 10 readily available online and its gorgeous compared to the copy you have.

Yours looks as if it has 2 white dots on it, that drops it to a 9 if everything else is flawless. It looks as if the card has slight chipping along both side edges in the middle, lower portion of the cards. This drops it to an 8. The card is against a white background so its hard to tell.

Corners look solid.

Surface, i am assuming at least one surface flaw. Its hard to tell since all pics none of them are angled to see the card and if the surface is clean. But multiple dots and edging issues, I would assume this came from a vending box or factory set which would have traveled differently and allow more options for bowing over time which allows a chance for more surface issues.
One issue brings this to a 7.

Now your 7 could be more mangled in one area to bring it down to a 6, but flawless in so many other areas to bring it up to a 7.

It really is impossible to tell in pictures. If you feel that strongly about it, especially to get a 9, grade it. Do PSA.

PSA does not grade sheet cut cards (to the best of their ability) so collectors tend to pay up greatly for them.

[QUOTE=nj1980;18651060]Heres the thing.

I have seen Rice 86 topps online graded 9s or 10s that look way worse than the one I just posted. Why would mine be graded a 7 or 8 thats a bunch of BS and PSA should be ashamed of themself.

And yes Im fully aware there are other options but none of them command the same respect so we are basically forced to submit them to this joke of a company and pray that the assclown grading the card that day got laid that morning.

Its disgusting.[/QUOTE]

It kinda sounds like PSA is destined to disappoint you. Sometimes cards get overgraded, sometimes they get undergraded. It's not a perfect process from any company.

If you'd like to explore other options these tend to be the most talked about/trusted [I]in my experience and in no particular order of favoritism[/I].

SGC - [url]https://www.gosgc.com/[/url]
CSG - [url]https://www.csgcards.com/[/url]
BGS - [url]https://www.beckett.com/grading[/url]

It's an exciting time! You've picked up copies of two historically significant rookies. I have a BGS 6.5 Montana and a BGS 7 Rice in my office display case and I couldn't be happier. If they are for your personal collection, do enjoy! If you are hoping for a flip and some extra cash, I wish you the best of luck with your sale.

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30 seconds of eyeballing, this is what I see.
Chipping, rough edges.
1-2 print dots/specks.
Possible scrape in the ctr of the card. Could be the top loader.

If I can see that from a pic, they will see it and grade it down appropriately.

PS they also check the back of the card.

[QUOTE=nj1980;18651073]I hear you. I just dont understand why there are numerous 9s and 10s out there that look far worse, and yet all of a sudden PSA is bending over backwards looking for any excuse to lower the value of these.

Its market manipulation and its wrong and frankly something needs to be done imo.[/QUOTE]

Nothing is going to be done, unfortunately. Grading, by it's nature, is subjective. There is a phrase among graded card collectors "Buy the card, not the grade" ... ... but people buy the grade more often than not, including myself. But "eye appeal" matters to many.

Also, your "looks better" may not be my "looks better". I've been grading for a while, folks here have been doing it longer than me. Maybe you don't know what to look for? Be open to that possibility.

PSA came under fire a few years back for all sorts of stuff and have been grading a lot harder now (with some baffling outliers - not unexpected with how many cards pass through PSA).

One can never have enough Rice/Montana rookies in my opinion, raw or otherwise. Even if other 9's look worse, you probably don't have a 10 (though it would be awesome if you did).

I saw a thread somewhere the other day of a rice psa10 that sold for 72k and people were in shock. It looked about the same as the psa7 I have.

Ive also read reports of people sending cards to PSA and getting a 7 and cracking and resubmitting and getting a 10. This should never happen. PSA is a joke.

I dont feel good about being at the mercy of some random inconsistent grader.

If I was trying to gamble Id go to Vegas and count cards at all the casinos.

This is card collecting and we are paying for what should be a consistent reputable service.

Its funny. You would think that they would be prone to grading it higher conisdering if they grade it a 10 they slam you to the tune of 3k or whatever it is.

Why are you blaming the grading company when people are clearly spelling out why your cards won't get the grades you think?

[QUOTE=Onepocketj;18651129]Why are you blaming the grading company when people are clearly spelling out why your cards won't get the grades you think?[/QUOTE]

Be careful. You're going to be called rude and negative.

[QUOTE=Onepocketj;18651129]Why are you blaming the grading company when people are clearly spelling out why your cards won't get the grades you think?[/QUOTE]

Because they are horrifically inconsistent. This has been established on multiple levels.

Any other questions? Want to ask whos gonna win the SB?

Niners. Buy as many Brock Purdy RC's as you can.

[QUOTE=nj1980;18651125]I saw a thread somewhere the other day of a rice psa10 that sold for 72k and people were in shock. It looked about the same as the psa7 I have.

Ive also read reports of people sending cards to PSA and getting a 7 and cracking and resubmitting and getting a 10. This should never happen. PSA is a joke.

I dont feel good about being at the mercy of some random inconsistent grader.

If I was trying to gamble Id go to Vegas and count cards at all the casinos.

This is card collecting and we are paying for what should be a consistent reputable service.[/QUOTE]

Lol now you're just here to get attention. No matter how much whining any of us do about PSA, nothing is going to get your cards to end up in PSA 10 slabs. Not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Enjoy your cards. They're great cards and a great find. Save the dreams of striking it rich to the zzzzzzs or you'll be thoroughly disappointed and there's no need to be disappointed in those cards.

This went off the rails quickly despite a bunch of people trying to help. My 12-year old son is a real "know-it-all" and you sound just like him the more this unfolds. Good luck to you sir!

[QUOTE=nj1980;18650982]Seems like theres a lot of negativity on this site[/QUOTE]

Didn't take you long to figure that out.

FWIW, none of those cards look like 9's to me. That's not negativity, that's just the simple meat and potatoes.

These cards from a quick look appear to be 7s and 8s to me. I'd sell them raw. Or hold for a Personal Collection.

Would it help if I told you that I think they'd get the first 11 grade?

Best reference of a card I own , thought it had a chance at a 9 and got 8.5. I think it was fair but these are so tough. All you can do is study and submit.:)!

[url=https://flic.kr/p/2nLGscB][img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52358003113_eccc813010_c.jpg[/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/2nLGscB]Jerry Rice RC[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/196537527@N08/]Lucky Larrys[/url], on Flickr

[QUOTE=nj1980;18651174]Because they are horrifically inconsistent. This has been established on multiple levels.[/QUOTE]

Hence why collectors say buy the card and not the grade. If you are truly good at it, there is an arbitrage opportunity to make money.

No matter what with those cards, coming from someone who has graded 20ish cards ever, send them in and hope for the best. I’d pick PSA due to the market perception, but the big 3 are all good - noting SGC will turn it around by far the fastest at a cost effective price if you need to sell quick. Both cards are highly faked so when you sell the buyer will know that it is authentic and the condition is guaranteed. You will not have a buyer pull a swap or claim damage that wasn’t disclosed because it is slabbed compared to raw. Very cool find. I hope to add good looking copies of them to my collection someday.

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What do we think the short and curly accompanying the card does for the grade?