Trout or Mays?
 

Hey all was curious on your thoughts long term- which would you rather have?

A BGS 9/PSA 9 ‘09 Trout Bowman Chrome Auto

Or

A PSA 3/4 ‘52 Topps Willie Mays

For this question I chose to use the ‘52 Topps instead of the ‘51 bowman for Mays because of the significance of the first Topps card (I know it isn’t his true rookie) looking forward to hearing what you all think! Have a good night


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Hank Aaron!

Trout or Mays?
 

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;18022696]Hank Aaron![/QUOTE]


Can’t go wrong with a legend!!! Been on the hunt for a rc myself.


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Hands down, the Willie Mays card. Willie Mays is a legend and will be remembered as one of the greats forever. Mike Trout will be remembered as the Ralph Kiner of this generation. Great player who was injury prone, which killed his chance to be one of the greats.

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022707]Hands down, the Willie Mays card. Willie Mays is a legend and will be remembered as one of the greats forever. Mike Trout will be remembered as the Ralph Kiner of this generation. Great player who was injury prone, which killed his chance to be one of the greats.[/QUOTE]


Is this sarcasm?


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[QUOTE] Is this sarcasm? [/QUOTE]

Hate to burst your bubble, but that's what Trout has turned into right now. He may recover from his "devastating" pulled calf muscle that cost him close to 100 games last season, but don't bet on it. Something else will crop up and he'll be on the DL again in no time (if they ever play this season).

Trout or Mays?
 

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022741]Hate to burst your bubble, but that's what Trout has turned into right now. He may recover from his "devastating" pulled calf muscle that cost him close to 100 games last season, but don't bet on it. Something else will crop up and he'll be on the DL again in no time (if they ever play this season).[/QUOTE]


IMO- The body of work Trout’s resume boasts makes 100 games missed immaterial. Rest is just speculation on his health for rest of his career.


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I would go Mays, but I don't think either is a bad move.

[QUOTE=bigdog2003;18022748]I would go Mays, but I don't think either is a bad move.[/QUOTE]


I appreciate it- thought it was an interesting question. Thanks for your input!


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[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022707]Hands down, the Willie Mays card. Willie Mays is a legend and will be remembered as one of the greats forever. Mike [B]Trout will be remembered as the Ralph Kiner of this generation.[/B] Great player who was injury prone, which killed his chance to be one of the greats.[/QUOTE]

terrible analogy in todays hobby

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;18022761]terrible analogy in todays hobby[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

Oh, and the 52 Mays.

[QUOTE] terrible analogy in todays hobby [/QUOTE]

You Trout investors and speculators can't handle the truth. Here's the stats:

Ralph Kiner: 10 seasons: 369 HR and 1015 RBI with a .279 Average

Mike Trout: 10 seasons: 305 HR and 800 RBI with a .305 Average

I rest my case. Trout's numbers are actually worse than Kiner's over the first 10 seasons. Like Kiner, he may make the HOF with luck, but he's not in the same category as Aaron and Mays.

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022789]You Trout investors and speculators can't handle the truth. Here's the stats:

Ralph Kiner: 10 seasons: 369 HR and 1015 RBI with a .279 Average

Mike Trout: 10 seasons: 305 HR and 800 RBI with a .305 Average

I rest my case. Trout's numbers are actually worse than Kiner's over the first 10 seasons. Like Kiner, he may make the HOF with luck, but he's not in the same category as Aaron and Mays.[/QUOTE]

you dont know how the hobby works in 2022

time to fire up another burner

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022741]Hate to burst your bubble, but that's what Trout has turned into right now. He may recover from his "devastating" pulled calf muscle that cost him close to 100 games last season, but don't bet on it. Something else will crop up and he'll be on the DL again in no time (if they ever play this season).[/QUOTE]

Trout is already one of the best players of all time. This is literally the first time Trout hasn't finished in the top 5 in MVP voting. At this point it is merely a question of whether he ends up one of the GOAT or the actual freakin' GOAT.

Put in perspective, Trout already has more MVP than Mays, has finished top 2 or 5 or whatever than Mays. Through similar age their stats are similar. In the end he might not get to Mays level, but he has already surpassed the likes of all but a handful of players. Those players are all time greats, not the Ralph Kiners of the world.

[QUOTE] you dont know how the hobby works in 2022 [/QUOTE]

You're not talking about the hobby, you're talking about 40 year old men "investing" in baseball cards. They can only prop up Trout's card values for so long. He'd better stay healthy this season or his cards will be in the dumper in no time.

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022816]You're not talking about the hobby, you're talking about 40 year old men "investing" in baseball cards. They can only prop up Trout's card values for so long. He'd better stay healthy this season or his cards will be in the dumper in no time.[/QUOTE]

Like Ken Griffey Jr.'s cards are in the dumper? Keep in mind that Griffey's accolades pale in comparison to Trout.

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022816]You're not talking about the hobby, you're talking about 40 year old men "investing" in baseball cards. They can only prop up Trout's card values for so long. He'd better stay healthy this season or his cards will be in the dumper in no time.[/QUOTE]

you are looking for pizza in an ice cream store. Ralph Kiner? really?

if Trout has another down year in 2022, it will not help for sure, but it will not be the end of the world, and if he returns to being Mike Trout, all of these current doomsdayers will zip it for sure

and yes, this is a sports card forum, where we discuss cards! lol

PBM watch activated....

Oh boy, we've got ourselves another "WAR is stupid and dumb" guy...

Edited to add, Trout's WAR is currently nearly 30 points higher than Kiner and that's with two severely shortened seasons for him and only playing 40 games in 2011.

[QUOTE] Put in perspective, Trout already has more MVP than Mays [/QUOTE]

That's because the writers back then based voting on the color of a player's skin and not his contribution to the game.

Here's a perfect example: In 1964, Mays finished SIXTH in the MVP voting with these numbers: 47 HR (1st, won by 14 HR), 111 RBI (3rd), .296 AVG, .607 SLG (1st)and .990 OBP (1st). You tell me how he could have finished sixth in the MVP voting with a monster season like that! Baseball writers back then were prejudiced, plain and simple.

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022853]That's because the writers back then based voting on the color of a player's skin and not his contribution to the game.

Here's a perfect example: In 1964, Mays finished SIXTH in the MVP voting with these numbers: 47 HR (1st, won by 14 HR), 111 RBI (3rd), .296 AVG, .607 SLG (1st)and .990 OBP (1st). You tell me how he could have finished sixth in the MVP voting with a monster season like that! Baseball writers back then were prejudiced, plain and simple.[/QUOTE]


Just throwing it out there, but Frank Robinson finished 4th that year with worse stats, and Bill White (don't let the last name fool you) finished 3rd. Try again.

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022853]That's because the writers back then based voting on the color of a player's skin and not his contribution to the game.

Here's a perfect example: In 1964, Mays finished SIXTH in the MVP voting with these numbers: 47 HR (1st, won by 14 HR), 111 RBI (3rd), .296 AVG, .607 SLG (1st)and .990 OBP (1st). You tell me how he could have finished sixth in the MVP voting with a monster season like that! Baseball writers back then were prejudiced, plain and simple.[/QUOTE]

oh boy.

i think Net54 is more your speed bro

[QUOTE] PBM watch activated [/QUOTE]

Give it a rest. I have never posted here under any other ID, got it?

I heard Tommy John offered to donate his calf to Mike Trout so he could get a second surgery named after himself.

[QUOTE] Just throwing it out there, but Frank Robinson finished 4th that year with worse stats. Try again. [/QUOTE]

And who won? Ken Boyer! And who was second? Johnny Callison! You try again.

rats, is this your burner? lol

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022862]And who won? Ken Boyer! And who was second? Johnny Callison! You try again.[/QUOTE]

You might want to check my edit...

Mays' Giants also finished in 4th place that year. The Cardinals came in first.

That mattered back then.

In addition, Mays won an MVP in 1954, 10 years before this "bigoted, racist group of voters" screwed him over.

Was racism just not a thing in the 50's? Or could it be that the Giants came in 1st that year and he had a great season...

Like I said, try again.

[QUOTE] Mays' Giants also finished in 4th place that year. The Cardinals came in first.

That mattered back then. [/QUOTE]

True, but the Giants were only 3 games back and the Phillies finished third that season. No way should have Callison received more votes than Mays.

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022873]True, but the Giants were only 3 games back and the Phillies finished third that season. No way should have Callison received more votes than Mays.[/QUOTE]

You're just going to skip over the part where two African Americans still finished ahead of him, huh?

[QUOTE] You're just going to skip over the part where two African Americans still finished ahead of him, huh? [/QUOTE]

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Bottom line, two white players with weaker stats finished ahead of Mays. If you don't think it was due to the writers being prejudiced, you're clueless.

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022891]We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Bottom line, two white players with weaker stats finished ahead of Mays. If you don't think it was due to the writers being prejudiced, you're clueless.[/QUOTE]

You're stating this like it's fact, when you have literally zero proof that happened.

Again, why would they vote him MVP in 1954, but not in 1964 because of racism? That doesn't make any sense...

Can't compare the legends of the past to current players. Babe Ruth probably never saw a fastball over 90mph. He wouldn't make the MLB roster if he played today.

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022741]Hate to burst your bubble, but that's what Trout has turned into right now. He may recover from his "devastating" pulled calf muscle that cost him close to 100 games last season, but don't bet on it. Something else will crop up and he'll be on the DL again in no time (if they ever play this season).[/QUOTE]

Wait until he hits 40+ Hrs this year if they play 162

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022857]Give it a rest. I have never posted here under any other ID, got it?[/QUOTE]

You may be the first "new" poster to know what PBM means.

[QUOTE=Topps77;18022904]Wait until he hits 40+ Hrs this year if they play 162[/QUOTE]

Don't waste your time. The dude was spouting stats like AVG, HR's, and RBI's. He's clueless to what's valued in today's game.

[QUOTE=jusdukky;18022906]You may be the first "new" poster to know what PBM means.[/QUOTE]

You're right. That is suspicious in itself...

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022853]That's because the writers back then based voting on the color of a player's skin and not his contribution to the game.

Here's a perfect example: In 1964, Mays finished SIXTH in the MVP voting with these numbers: 47 HR (1st, won by 14 HR), 111 RBI (3rd), .296 AVG, .607 SLG (1st)and .990 OBP (1st). You tell me how he could have finished sixth in the MVP voting with a monster season like that! Baseball writers back then were prejudiced, plain and simple.[/QUOTE]

All Lives Matter

[QUOTE] You may be the first "new" poster to know what PBM means. [/QUOTE]

Because you're probably the 5th paranoid poster to give me that PBM nonsense since I joined here. I'm bright enough to figure out what that achronym stands for. Again, give it a rest.

[QUOTE] Don't waste your time. The dude was spouting stats like AVG, HR's, and RBI's. He's clueless to what's valued in today's game. [/QUOTE]

What's valued is a player who's tough enough to play 162 games and not make excuses all the time. Missing almost 100 games with a calf muscle pull told me all I need to know about Trout.

strong POMO vibes bro

[QUOTE=rwperu34;18022827]Like Ken Griffey Jr.'s cards are in the dumper? Keep in mind that Griffey's accolades pale in comparison to Trout.[/QUOTE]

LOL
Now I know I’m onnna dem old farts who is clueless
But if we are talking Griffey jr?
Not senior
That one loses me
War vs average be darned LOL
You gonna have to close me on that one
And just to hear it off at the pass
Not a pbm
What is that like the battle cry of the forum ? Rotfl

[QUOTE=Topps77;18022899]Can't compare the legends of the past to current players. Babe Ruth probably never saw a fastball over 90mph. He wouldn't make the MLB roster if he played today.[/QUOTE]

Mnnnnnnn I dunno boss
Unless I’m mixing eras?
Walter Johnson was pretty fast I’ve read......

[QUOTE=rngrdanny22;18022909]You're right. That is suspicious in itself...[/QUOTE]

I had to ask......lol

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;18023008]strong POMO vibes bro[/QUOTE]

Pomo?
Good lord does anyone write things out any more?

There’s room for everybody LOL
In my opinion
If you enjoy stats and crunching numbers it’s all good
If you like the traditional method it’s all good
Just saying
At the end of the day who cares......

[QUOTE=bryperly20;18022688]Hey all was curious on your thoughts long term- which would you rather have?

A BGS 9/PSA 9 ‘09 Trout Bowman Chrome Auto

Or

A PSA 3/4 ‘52 Topps Willie Mays

For this question I chose to use the ‘52 Topps instead of the ‘51 bowman for Mays because of the significance of the first Topps card (I know it isn’t his true rookie) looking forward to hearing what you all think! Have a good night


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Willie Mays sir!!!!
Not even close
In my old geezer clueless opinion LOL
And I have no clue either how hobby werks either lol

The correct card would be a Mantle, Ruth or Jordan same as it always is.

If Trout has a great season and plays at least 150 games, I'll jump on the Trout train. Fair enough?

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18023044]If Trout has a great season and plays at least 150 games, I'll jump on the Trout train. Fair enough?[/QUOTE]

Trouts best days are long gone wasted away on a crappy team.

[QUOTE=pete2345;18023050]Trouts best days are long gone wasted away on a crappy team.[/QUOTE]

Now that’s truth!
I feel bad for him and ohtani .....
It’s ok to like Ohtani right guys?

[QUOTE=pete2345;18023043]The correct card would be a Mantle, Ruth or Jordan same as it always is.[/QUOTE]

No arguement here...

On the flip side ?
Trout ain’t done yet. Smiles

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;18022797]you dont know how the hobby works in 2022

time to fire up another burner[/QUOTE]

Don’t feed the PBMs.

[QUOTE=Skipscards;18023061]Don’t feed the PBMs.[/QUOTE]

Sorry
I got about 25 fans telling me I’m a pbm rotfl
Felt bad for guy

Neither answer is wrong

[QUOTE=bryperly20;18022688]Hey all was curious on your thoughts long term- which would you rather have?

A BGS 9/PSA 9 ‘09 Trout Bowman Chrome Auto

Or

A PSA 3/4 ‘52 Topps Willie Mays

For this question I chose to use the ‘52 Topps instead of the ‘51 bowman for Mays because of the significance of the first Topps card (I know it isn’t his true rookie) looking forward to hearing what you all think! Have a good night


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Reposting this as I feel we might have gone off the rails [emoji23] I appreciate the card discussion and look forward to hearing everyone’s opinion on the two cards posted :) have a great day all!


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[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;18022761]terrible analogy in todays hobby[/QUOTE]


Agree 100%


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[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022707]Hands down, the Willie Mays card. Willie Mays is a legend and will be remembered as one of the greats forever. Mike Trout will be remembered as the Ralph Kiner of this generation. Great player who was injury prone, which killed his chance to be one of the greats.[/QUOTE]

Whos burner account is this?

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18022789]
Trout…..he's not in the same category as Aaron and Mays.[/QUOTE]

You’re right —- they’ve retired

I would go with Mays, but only if it is the 1951 Bowman

No brainer for me. The 52 Topps Mays in the Psa 3-4 grade with exceptional
eye appeal. I love Trout but he better start playing full seasons again soon.

I don't agree with almost everything else the other poster said, but it is hard to argue with the contention that Mays should have won more MVPs and would have won more if voters used modern criteria.

That 1964 season, Mays had [B]11.0[/B] Bref WAR. Robinson was next best of those ahead of him and he finished at "only" 7.9.

In 1962 he had 10.5 WAR and finished 2nd to Maury Wills who had 6.0 (because Wills set the SB season record).

Works both ways- under the old standards, Trout might have only one MVP to-date. The Angels have only made the playoffs once in his career, even with the much easier path to the postseason compared to Willie's time.

As for the original OP question- Mays, but I'd be OK with either. Really no way the 52 Mays drops in value unless the card market on the whole tanks. Lot of ways Trout's current value can go south.

What are the POP counts on each card? Just PSA vs. PSA.

This isn't who's a better player thread, it's what card would you buy thread. That doesn't make the player comparison irrelevant of course. Personally, I believe Willy's career is more impressive than Trout's but he's only 30.

[QUOTE=bryperly20;18023218]Reposting this as I feel we might have gone off the rails [emoji23] I appreciate the card discussion and look forward to hearing everyone’s opinion on the two cards posted :) have a great day all!


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'52 Mays, assuming you don't have any other nice Mays cards. It's a card even non-collectors will appreciate and would be a discussion piece for any collection, though perhaps not as much if you have a bunch of other Mays cards. In terms of long-term value, its hard to know what will happen with Trout -- particularly because we don't know whether pandemic values are locked in, whether he'll be back at full strength, etc. One thing we do know, though, is there are an awful lot of Trout cards out there. That makes me think it's more volatile. It also makes me think you have a better chance long term of find another deal on a Trout if you buy the Mays and regret it.

As for me, I bought a Mays first. I'm probably in a lower tax bracket, so I went with the 1961 Topps MVP, PSA 6. Just yesterday I picked up a Trout (2012 Bowman Chrome, PSA 9).

[QUOTE=dantheman514;18023275]I would go with Mays, but only if it is the 1951 Bowman[/QUOTE]

I agree with this. If it was Mays’ actually rookie and graded, I’ll take that over Trout. I would take Trout’s Bowman Chrome Auto PSA 9 right now over the Mays 52.

Let’s not overlook Trout’s 3 MVP’s, 9x all-star, 8x silver slugger, rookie of the year, 2012 stolen base champ, 30/30 Club, and more. Some would also say the 2009 BC Auto is “the Trout” card to have.

Mays is the easy choice, maybe the greatest ever, is a legend and his cards are iconic and rare compared to Trouts millions of RCs. These will continue to rise.

[QUOTE=pete2345;18023043]The correct card would be a Mantle, Ruth or Jordan same as it always is.[/QUOTE]

No, Mays is hotter than Mantle right now.

interesting debate/dilemma- probably depends on whether you’re risk averse (in which case Mays probably has a chance to just continue increasing in value steadily) or are looking for a high-risk, high-reward card like Trout. Also probably depends on whether you prefer old-school players vs. new-school players.

I’d personally lean slightly towards the Trout card because it’s an auto, it’s “The” Trout card to own, and the significant difference between the two cards’ condition. Although I am definitely concerned about Trout’s recent injury history… he hasn’t played in more than 140 games in 5 straight years now (since 2016!)…. 2022 will be an important year for him

If Trout has an average HOF hitter's career after the age of 30, then he will add about 37 more WAR to his resume. For WAR, that puts him in the same talk as Albert Pujols which isn't bad company to be in for modern day.

What goes against him (if he can't play everyday) is that Ohtani is currently taking up the DH spot where he could get some rest days but still hit especially as he gets older.

Hilarious how all the Trout "investors" assume anyone who's not hyping his cards to death must be a PBM or a "burner account"!

I'm just giving an honest opinion on a baseball player who's best days are behind him. If you think you're sending your kids through college with your Trout hoard, you're wrong. That's your reality check for today, boys.

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18023572]Hilarious how all the Trout "investors" assume anyone who's not hyping his cards to death must be a PBM or a "burner account"!

I'm just giving an honest opinion on a baseball player who's best days are behind him. If you think you're sending your kids through college with your Trout hoard, you're wrong. That's your reality check for today, boys.[/QUOTE]

The thread is about relative values of a card, not who is the better player. Trout is the greatest baseball player over the last 10 years, if not 20. Mays, without question, is a top 3 player of all time. Trout's dealt with a shortened 2020 and was plagued by injuries last year. Does that make him a washed up has been? I certainly don't think so. But again, the comparison is about the cards, not the players. That's why things like POP counts, condition matter.

[QUOTE] The thread is about relative values of a card, not who is the better player. But again, the comparison is about the cards, not the players. That's why things like POP counts, condition matter. [/QUOTE]

If you wanted to make it fair, then it should have been about a signed mint 1952 Topps Mays versus a signed 2009 Bowman chrome Trout. That would a no brainer, even for Trout fanatics. The Mays card any day.

[QUOTE=GrahamMoonlight;18023604]If you wanted to make it fair, then it should have been about a signed mint 1952 Topps Mays versus a signed 2009 Bowman chrome Trout. That would a no brainer, even for Trout fanatics. The Mays card any day.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough and I would agree. The low PSA grade for the May's was throwing me off and I would be curious of the relative POP counts.