eBay and blowout member to avoid - elimanningbase and kicksandcards100 on ebay
 

His Blowout username is elimanningbase and his ebay username is kicksandcards100

Non paying bidder. Specifically stated on my auction not to bid if there is no intention or can't make the payment and yet he wins and still hasn't paid and refuses to answer number of my msgs both on ebay and on here on Blowout.

The card was 2017 Select Patrick Mahomes Field Level RC PSA 10

I know he got the msgs because was active on Blowout as of this morning at 11:43AM.

I am really getting tired of these non-paying bidders and especially coming from a Blowout member makes it that much more disappointing.

Anyways, feel free to put him on the block list

How many days has it been?

You do know that language often encourages non payers. I very rarely have them set your blocks for those with 2 strikes are auto blocked. In the end a non payer is better than a problem paying bidder. Sending multiple messages for payment is another action that seems to encourage non-payment or that they become an issue after payment.

[QUOTE=shrevecity;17581020]How many days has it been?

You do know that language often encourages non payers. I very rarely have them set your blocks for those with 2 strikes are auto blocked. In the end a non payer is better than a problem paying bidder[/QUOTE]

Hasnt even been 3 full days.

[QUOTE=Cavaliercards;17581046]Hasnt even been 3 full days.[/QUOTE]

How many days does a buyer get to pay?

[QUOTE=Bobbyplaza133;17581055]How many days does a buyer get to pay?[/QUOTE]

From eBay's Spring Update

[I]f a buyer hasn't paid after 5 calendar days, you can cancel the transaction. [/I]

Personally, we prefer the 7 day policy eBay used to have in place.

[QUOTE=Bobbyplaza133;17581055]How many days does a buyer get to pay?[/QUOTE]

YOu can cancel for non-payment after 96 hours have passed or 4 full days.

[QUOTE=Cavaliercards;17581063]From eBay's Spring Update

[I]f a buyer hasn't paid after 5 calendar days, you can cancel the transaction. [/I]

Personally, we prefer the 7 day policy eBay used to have in place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=shrevecity;17581079]YOu can cancel for non-payment after 96 hours have passed or 4 full days.[/QUOTE]

Then the gun may have been jumped a little? Once he opens non payment, then the buyer has 4 more days right?

[QUOTE=Bobbyplaza133;17581089]Then the gun may have been jumped a little? Once he opens non payment, then the buyer has 4 more days right?[/QUOTE]

Nope, they don't do that anymore, once it filed its immediatly closed. He has sent multiple messages begging for payment all that does is pisses a buyer off to the point they may not pay or if they do pay they become a bigger headache.

[QUOTE=shrevecity;17581096]Nope, they don't do that anymore, once it filed its immediatly closed. He has sent multiple messages begging for payment all that does is pisses a buyer off to the point they may not pay or if they do pay they become a bigger headache.[/QUOTE]

Ah thanks for the heads up. I wasn't aware that was changed.

[QUOTE=Bobbyplaza133;17581098]Ah thanks for the heads up. I wasn't aware that was changed.[/QUOTE]

Back at the end of April.

Also back to the OP leaving false positives for non-payers is a good way to get your account suspended if the buyer reports you.

nah, there is a difference between not making the payment for 4 days and completely ignoring your msgs for 3 days after winning a relatively big ticket item. Had he told me that he will make the payment in 5 days or even 7 days, I would have had no problems with that. In fact, some buyers have asked me that before and I have happily obliged as they were upfront and honest about their situation.

What rubs me the wrong way is not responding to any of my messages for the 3 days and I know he clearly has no intention of making the payment. I also know that he got my msgs because you can see when he was last active on Blowout.

I just think winning an item on ebay and ghosting the seller is just tacky thing to do.

[QUOTE=shrevecity;17581106]Back at the end of April.

Also back to the OP leaving false positives for non-payers is a good way to get your account suspended if the buyer reports you.[/QUOTE]

Yes I am aware of that and I don't plan to do that. I just don't plan to ever deal with this loser and just move on.

[QUOTE=shrevecity;17581096]Nope, they don't do that anymore, once it filed its immediatly closed. He has sent multiple messages begging for payment all that does is pisses a buyer off to the point they may not pay or if they do pay they become a bigger headache.[/QUOTE]

While I agree the OP might have jumped the gun, and I personally never message for payment (why waste the time)......your logic of 'pissing the buyer off' is terrible.

You buy an item, you pay for it. Simple. (Then you dont even chance receiving messages asking for payment)

Had a high grade fever and flu sunday through earlier this morning is when I snapped out of it. I only know about this thread through a friend. I also just checked all the messages on blowout and ebay today. You sent me a lot of messages when I believe I still had time to pay for the card. I apologize for the mishap, I intended to pay for the card, but sometimes life happens. It wasnt on the forefront of my brain as I was very ill. You dont have to believe me, I really dont care. We wont do business again, much success and health to you and your people.

[QUOTE=Dbacksbaseball;17584643]While I agree the OP might have jumped the gun, and I personally never message for payment (why waste the time)......your logic of 'pissing the buyer off' is terrible.

You buy an item, you pay for it. Simple. (Then you dont even chance receiving messages asking for payment)[/QUOTE]

So you have never won an auction and was not where you could immediately make payment or made an offer that when the seller responded you were away or busy? I was laid up after my back surgery a few years ago fell asleep when an auction I won ended. By the time I woke up 6 hours later I had 4 messages from the seller each getting more and more aggressive about payment. There are legit reasons to not pay right away at times.

As I wrote to you earlier, simple heads up would have helped. I have been in your situations before many times as well but always came through with a payment or shipping out an item in time or at least been able to communicate to the seller or a the buyer the situation I had been in. This is why I have a perfect feedback on ebay (9200+) and mind you I don't do this for living. I have a full time job in finance and I do this as a hobby but I care about doing things the right way. I have high standards for myself and I guess I just expected the same from others. Good luck to you and as a human to another human, I really hope you feel better and stay healthy.

[QUOTE=elimanningbase;17587131]Had a high grade fever and flu sunday through earlier this morning is when I snapped out of it. I only know about this thread through a friend. I also just checked all the messages on blowout and ebay today. You sent me a lot of messages when I believe I still had time to pay for the card. I apologize for the mishap, I intended to pay for the card, but sometimes life happens. It wasnt on the forefront of my brain as I was very ill. You dont have to believe me, I really dont care. We wont do business again, much success and health to you and your people.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you should have been resting and not bidding on items on ebay. I'm sure this thread was probably a "cure all" for any illness you may have had.

[QUOTE=obadger;17590235]Maybe you should have been resting and not bidding on items on ebay. I'm sure this thread was probably a "cure all" for any illness you may have had.[/QUOTE]

Maybe the seller should have been a bit more patient as well. This thread was made not even 3 days after the sale over a weekend at that. Op admitted to sending multiple messages for payment in that time. I would have intentionally drug my feet if the seller did that. Ebay rules give a buyer 4 days like it or not that's how it is. If op cancelled prior to that time the buyer could rightfully neg him

[QUOTE=shrevecity;17590452]Maybe the seller should have been a bit more patient as well. This thread was made not even 3 days after the sale over a weekend at that. Op admitted to sending multiple messages for payment in that time. I would have intentionally drug my feet if the seller did that. Ebay rules give a buyer 4 days like it or not that's how it is. If op cancelled prior to that time the buyer could rightfully neg him[/QUOTE]

I hope you meant to have "dragged" your feet to make the payment but still would have responded to the seller's inquiries right? Otherwise, your action would be seen as really tasteless.

Not sure why you would necessarily go out of your way to just give the seller a hard time just because he is asking for your timing of the payment. Why not make this hobby a little more pleasant by being more corresponsive and accountable? I just don't get people like you.

Also you asked why couldn't I be more patient, I think you are missing the point. I could easily have been patient had the buyer practiced the common courtesy to just communicate with me that there will be a delay in the payment because he was ill. I would have easily waited and be "patient". I have done that MANY times in the past. If the buyer had the energy to check Blowout a several times a day then I think he would have had enough energy to write that. Maybe he was really really sick that he couldn't move his fingers then I do feel bad for him.

Maybe it is just me, I don't purchase things unless I plan to make the payment right away or if I can't, at least, I let the seller know when the payment is coming so that he doesn't need to wait for my payment anxiously, especially if it is an expensive item. I think that is the right protocol and etiquette to follow.

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17591665]I hope you meant to have "dragged" your feet to make the payment but still would have responded to the seller's inquiries right? Otherwise, your action would be seen as really tasteless.

Not sure why you would necessarily go out of your way to just give the seller a hard time just because he is asking for your timing of the payment. Why not make this hobby a little more pleasant by being more corresponsive and accountable? I just don't get people like you.

Also you asked why couldn't I be more patient, I think you are missing the point. I could easily have been patient had the buyer practiced the common courtesy to just communicate with me that there will be a delay in the payment because he was ill. I would have easily waited and be "patient". I have done that MANY times in the past. If the buyer had the energy to check Blowout a several times a day then I think he would have had enough energy to write that. Maybe he was really really sick that he couldn't move his fingers then I do feel bad for him.

Maybe it is just me, I don't purchase things unless I plan to make the payment right away or if I can't, at least, I let the seller know when the payment is coming so that he doesn't need to wait for my payment anxiously, especially if it is an expensive item. I think that is the right protocol and etiquette to follow.[/QUOTE]

Honestly I dont want people messaging me saying they need 5 days to pay or 6 days to pay. No reason for sellers to keep on messaging. Just send the invoice and then buyer pays in 7 days or not.

[QUOTE=elimanningbase;17587131]Had a high grade fever and flu sunday through earlier this morning is when I snapped out of it. I only know about this thread through a friend. I also just checked all the messages on blowout and ebay today. You sent me a lot of messages when I believe I still had time to pay for the card. I apologize for the mishap, I intended to pay for the card, but sometimes life happens. It wasnt on the forefront of my brain as I was very ill. You dont have to believe me, I really dont care. We wont do business again, much success and health to you and your people.[/QUOTE]

still douche feverish, geezuz

[QUOTE=Cavaliercards;17591708]Honestly I dont want people messaging me saying they need 5 days to pay or 6 days to pay. No reason for sellers to keep on messaging. Just send the invoice and then buyer pays in 7 days or not.[/QUOTE]

Me either. 9 times out of 10 if a buyer says they will pay on X date or whatever they never do anyway. I never message them, never send an invoice unless its a multi item purchase or other reason I may need to, Ebay does it for you.. I don't want buyers who need their hands held nor do I want to deal with or be a seller who needs his hand held. Ebay gives 4 days to pay there is no need to get ANXIOUS over payment. Buyer either pays or they don't.

It much better to have a non-paying buyer than a buyer who pays but is upset with you from the get go. A paying buyer can cause far worse damage and harm to the seller than a non-paying buyer ever can. I will take 100 non-payers over 1 who does a fraudulent return.

I think there is a reason some sellers seem to have more non-payers than others. I run auctions and accept lots of offers weekly and have had this year 4 non-payers. Its because they try to force the payment. I see many buyers here who gt reported as non-payers that have bought from me before with little or no issue. I think sellers often cause more of their own problems. It is no reason for a seller to get upset or be anxiously awaiting the payment. I don't even think about it. Ebay can be as stressful as you make it. Worrying about payment is one stress sellers make that is just not worth it. I have had many buyers along the way who win auctions that I sit back and hope they don't pay and would prefer they did not.

Like I mentioned earlier when I had back surgery a few years ago I won an auction and my meds kicked in I woke up 6 or 7 hours later and had 4 messages from the seller demanding payment. You are damn right I ignored them and waited just shy of 4 days AFTER he opened the claim to pay. If a seller wants to be an idiot I can be one right back. The policy is a buyer has 4 days now that is in stone with Ebay. So it is what it is, like it or not.

Ahh the old “I have a life” excuse . Don’t you love how that always comes after a sickness?

While “having a life” you bid on a card. Therefore why not pay right away. You don’t need to leave your house to pay so stop with the lies, no one buys em.

[QUOTE=shrevecity;17591824]Me either. 9 times out of 10 if a buyer says they will pay on X date or whatever they never do anyway. I never message them, never send an invoice unless its a multi item purchase or other reason I may need to, Ebay does it for you.. I don't want buyers who need their hands held nor do I want to deal with or be a seller who needs his hand held. Ebay gives 4 days to pay there is no need to get ANXIOUS over payment. Buyer either pays or they don't.

It much better to have a non-paying buyer than a buyer who pays but is upset with you from the get go. A paying buyer can cause far worse damage and harm to the seller than a non-paying buyer ever can. I will take 100 non-payers over 1 who does a fraudulent return.

I think there is a reason some sellers seem to have more non-payers than others. I run auctions and accept lots of offers weekly and have had this year 4 non-payers. Its because they try to force the payment. I see many buyers here who gt reported as non-payers that have bought from me before with little or no issue. I think sellers often cause more of their own problems. It is no reason for a seller to get upset or be anxiously awaiting the payment. I don't even think about it. Ebay can be as stressful as you make it. Worrying about payment is one stress sellers make that is just not worth it. I have had many buyers along the way who win auctions that I sit back and hope they don't pay and would prefer they did not.

Like I mentioned earlier when I had back surgery a few years ago I won an auction and my meds kicked in I woke up 6 or 7 hours later and had 4 messages from the seller demanding payment. You are damn right I ignored them and waited just shy of 4 days AFTER he opened the claim to pay. If a seller wants to be an idiot I can be one right back. The policy is a buyer has 4 days now that is in stone with Ebay. So it is what it is, like it or not.[/QUOTE]

It is very bizarre to me that some of you get annoyed by a seller reaching out to you to find out the true intention or the timing of the payment. That's communication no? I guess to each his own. I mean it is like there is no law to leave a tip after your meal at a restaurant but people leave a tip because that is a considerate thing to do. Not that tipping is a great analogy to making the timely payment for the ebay auction winning but my point is I think it goes a long way for this hobby to prosper and more pleasant if people were more considerate to communicate better or better yet make the payment right away instead of waiting until the 4th day just out of spite of the seller for no real good reason.

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17593234]It is very bizarre to me that some of you get annoyed by a seller reaching out to you to find out the true intention or the timing of the payment. That's communication no? I guess to each his own. I mean it is like there is no law to leave a tip after your meal at a restaurant but people leave a tip because that is a considerate thing to do. Not that tipping is a great analogy to making the timely payment for the ebay auction winning but my point is I think it goes a long way for this hobby to prosper and more pleasant if people were more considerate to communicate better or better yet make the payment right away instead of waiting until the 4th day just out of spite of the seller for no real good reason.[/QUOTE]

I dont compare this to tipping at all, we had 300 listings sell last night across multiple platforms. I dont have the time, desire, nor see any benefit in messaging them saying "hey pay" then few days later "why havent you paid" We just give the 7 and are patient and then file.

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17593234]It is very bizarre to me that some of you get annoyed by a seller reaching out to you to find out the true intention or the timing of the payment. That's communication no? I guess to each his own. I mean it is like there is no law to leave a tip after your meal at a restaurant but people leave a tip because that is a considerate thing to do. Not that tipping is a great analogy to making the timely payment for the ebay auction winning but my point is I think it goes a long way for this hobby to prosper and more pleasant if people were more considerate to communicate better or better yet make the payment right away instead of waiting until the 4th day just out of spite of the seller for no real good reason.[/QUOTE]

There is no need in it. Ebay has a set timeline in which a buyer has to pay and I also state that in my listings. If a buyer is going to take longer then he should contact me but not less than the 4 days especially over a weekend.. A buyer not paying is very very low on my list of concerns about ebay. Too many other things with ebay to deal with or concern myself with 99.9% of all the transactions I have there is zero communication between buyer and seller. Ebay sends buyers daily reminders of payments. The less communication the better. Even when there is an issue a sellers only response should be sorry you are not happy return for a full refund anything more is just begging for more headaches

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17593234]It is very bizarre to me that some of you get annoyed by a seller reaching out to you to find out the true intention or the timing of the payment. That's communication no? I guess to each his own. I mean it is like there is no law to leave a tip after your meal at a restaurant but people leave a tip because that is a considerate thing to do. Not that tipping is a great analogy to making the timely payment for the ebay auction winning but my point is I think it goes a long way for this hobby to prosper and more pleasant if people were more considerate to communicate better or better yet make the payment right away instead of waiting until the 4th day just out of spite of the seller for no real good reason.[/QUOTE]

There is no point in keep sending messages. eBay sends its own reminder. If you send a message, he doesn't respond or pay, then he is unlikely to pay anyway. What's the point of keep sending messages? Some people do get annoy from those payment reminders. Communication goes both ways. If 1 side does not communicate, then there is no point for the other side to keep trying. Just cancel when it is time to do so.

Did you cancel the auction sale from Aug.13th then re-listed as a BIN/BO and sold again on Aug.17th?
I see the same card twice in your Sold ebay listings....

[QUOTE=hche;17593384]There is no point in keep sending messages. eBay sends its own reminder. If you send a message, he doesn't respond or pay, then he is unlikely to pay anyway. What's the point of keep sending messages? Some people do get annoy from those payment reminders. Communication goes both ways. If 1 side does not communicate, then there is no point for the other side to keep trying. Just cancel when it is time to do so.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.....I send one invoice when the item sells and then let eBay do the rest if they don't pay.

[QUOTE=hche;17593384]There is no point in keep sending messages. eBay sends its own reminder. If you send a message, he doesn't respond or pay, then he is unlikely to pay anyway. What's the point of keep sending messages? Some people do get annoy from those payment reminders. Communication goes both ways. If 1 side does not communicate, then there is no point for the other side to keep trying. Just cancel when it is time to do so.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Sending a message is virtually never productive.

My listings state that I give 5 days to pay (they get 4 through eBay anyway). If I haven't received payment after 24 hours Ill send an invoice. If they pay within 5 days, I ship. If they don't, I close the case and re-list. Begging them to pay isn't going to do anything, especially after two days. He hadn't neglected anything at that point.

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17593234]It is very bizarre to me that some of you get annoyed by a seller reaching out to you to find out the true intention or the timing of the payment. That's communication no? I guess to each his own. I mean it is like there is no law to leave a tip after your meal at a restaurant but people leave a tip because that is a considerate thing to do. Not that tipping is a great analogy to making the timely payment for the ebay auction winning but my point is I think it goes a long way for this hobby to prosper and more pleasant if people were more considerate to communicate better or better yet make the payment right away instead of waiting until the 4th day just out of spite of the seller for no real good reason.[/QUOTE]
No one is annoyed, we are just trying to tell you there's no need to message anyone for payment. You could and up with a return request and a damaged card that you have to send a refund for.

[QUOTE=chezball;17595951]No one is annoyed, we are just trying to tell you there's no need to message anyone for payment. You could and up with a return request and a damaged card that you have to send a refund for.[/QUOTE]

I don't think you read the whole thread. Please read from the beginning. Some members have clearly expressed the annoyance by sellers msging the buyers for the payment even for once. In fact, one member thought it will "piss off a buyer" if a seller contacts the buyer more than once asking for the payment.

Also when you say "we" who are "we"? Are you a representing some sort of a group that is against sellers contacting buyers asking for the payment?

I laugh at this because you sounded as if you are making some sort of an intervention on how I should approach my ebay business. I have been doing just fine thank you. I am totally aware that there is no need to send a msg to the buyer but I'd like to. That should be the end of the story.

I guess people have different styles approaching auctions on ebay. To each his own. Seriously, since when are people complaining about sellers contacting buyers for the payment??? I mean why do people care what and how sellers communicate with buyers to entice the timely payment?? If the buyer finds it "annoying" that's on the buyer not on the seller. For buyers, just make the damn payment. Don't bid if you don't have the money or didn't have any intention of making the payment. If you can't make a payment in time, then COMMUNICATE with a seller. Simple as that. Don't worry about a buyer returning the card. If a buyer has a LEGITIMATE reason to return the card, then that's on me. If not, well, that's on the buyer and is ruining his reputation and I will let Blowout know about the buyer.

I always try to follow the best protocol when selling and buying on ebay and on blowout and my feedback speaks for itself. So I'm expecting a little more higher standards from people on blowout and that's why I called elimanning out for ignoring my msgs and not communicating.

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17598300]I don't think you read the whole thread. Please read from the beginning. Some members have clearly expressed the annoyance by sellers msging the buyers for the payment even for once. In fact, one member thought it will "piss off a buyer" if a seller contacts the buyer more than once asking for the payment.

Also when you say "we" who are "we"? Are you a representing some sort of a group that is against sellers contacting buyers asking for the payment?

I laugh at this because you sounded as if you are making some sort of an intervention on how I should approach my ebay business. I have been doing just fine thank you. I am totally aware that there is no need to send a msg to the buyer but I'd like to. That should be the end of the story.

I guess people have different styles approaching auctions on ebay. To each his own. Seriously, since when are people complaining about sellers contacting buyers for the payment??? I mean why do people care what and how sellers communicate with buyers to entice the timely payment?? If the buyer finds it "annoying" that's on the buyer not on the seller. For buyers, just make the damn payment. Don't bid if you don't have the money or didn't have any intention of making the payment. If you can't make a payment in time, then COMMUNICATE with a seller. Simple as that. Don't worry about a buyer returning the card. If a buyer has a LEGITIMATE reason to return the card, then that's on me. If not, well, that's on the buyer and is ruining his reputation and I will let Blowout know about the buyer.

I always try to follow the best protocol when selling and buying on ebay and on blowout and my feedback speaks for itself. So I'm expecting a little more higher standards from people on blowout and that's why I called elimanning out for ignoring my msgs and not communicating.[/QUOTE]

And others have agreed it may upset buyers(have seen sellers negged for it.) So does calling out a buyer as a non-payer before the allowed time frame has passed. It had not even been 3 days when you made this thread ebay rules give them 4. There is ZERO need for a buyer to contact you in that time as is there is no need for you to contact thm about payment because its just words it means nothing until they actually pay. It was also over a weekend.

The reason people care is becaue it can have a trickle down effect on other sellers. You treat a buyer bad then he is likely to treat future sellers bad. Its the same as sellers who let buyers walk all over them you let them do it they will do it to others or get more brazen

I would rather have a happy non-payer than a paying bidder who feels the seller was rushing them to make a payment any day of the week.

When you mention feedback remember feedback you leave is just as important as the feedback you get. I see one in your feedback left I would likely decline and then block you for if you ever made an offer on an item of mine.

How did you sell the card on the 13th then the 17th if you gave the buyer the proper time to pay and give them a strike? If you did not follow that process they could neg you and you did nothing to help protect future sellers by not giving them a strike. Give the strikes and they end up blocked by most sellers who have their blocks set automatically, most card sellers on Ebay dont even use this site, for the most part most members of this site do not use this section so giving proper strikes is more beneficial... If you make that a habit sooner or later someone is going to burn you for it. You are very lucky it did not happen with that buyer you left the false positive for. You called him out early for non-pyment then he paid. Most buyers would have negged you then reported you to Ebay and got you slapped with a policy violation strike.

[QUOTE=shrevecity;17598345]And others have agreed it may upset buyers(have seen sellers negged for it.) So does calling out a buyer as a non-payer before the allowed time frame has passed. It had not even been 3 days when you made this thread ebay rules give them 4. There is ZERO need for a buyer to contact you in that time as is there is no need for you to contact thm about payment because its just words it means nothing until they actually pay. It was also over a weekend.

The reason people care is becaue it can have a trickle down effect on other sellers. You treat a buyer bad then he is likely to treat future sellers bad. Its the same as sellers who let buyers walk all over them you let them do it they will do it to others or get more brazen

I would rather have a happy non-payer than a paying bidder who feels the seller was rushing them to make a payment any day of the week.

When you mention feedback remember feedback you leave is just as important as the feedback you get. I see one in your feedback left I would likely decline and then block you for if you ever made an offer on an item of mine.

How did you sell the card on the 13th then the 17th if you gave the buyer the proper time to pay and give them a strike? If you did not follow that process they could neg you. If you make that a habit sooner or later someone is going to burn you for it.[/QUOTE]

Again, you are clearly missing my point.

1. the reason I called out elimanning is because he is a blowout member and clearly got my number of msgs as he was active on blowout even after a number of msgs I sent him on ebay and on Blowout. So for 3 days he had refused to respond to my msgs until I had to call him out on blowout and then he finally responded via private msg and forum

2. It is absolutely ridiculous to assert that my asking buyers about the payment as "treating them badly". How is that possibly "treating them" badly??? Trickle down effect on sellers? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? In fact, on the contrary, because the way I TREAT buyers, I make the ebay buying experience look good. Again, please take a look at my feedback. I COMMUNICATE, send the package with in 24 hours or 48 hours the latest (I have a job), always provide tracking and signature for cards above $500 at my cost etc... I seriously find your steadfast defense for buyers including for those who purposely wait 4 days to make the payment just out of spite of sellers, OVER those honest top sellers like myself very disconcerting. In fact, please let me know your ebay username so that we can save each others misery by blocking each other. You know my ebay username so you can block me.

FYI, 98% of the buyers are absolutely great buyers. They either pay right away or within 12 hours the most. A lot of the times, rest of them also make the payment when I send them a msg asking when they intend to make the payment. So sending them emails as a reminder def works. Also I would say 99% of them keep their words once they communicate so communication works no matter how much you may belittle those words by ebay buyers. You should give them more credit.


3. How was I able to sell the card on 13th and then 4 days after? I cancelled 4 days after given that buyer couldn't be reached and I relisted the card and sold the card right away and the buyer made the payment. Simple as that.

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17598300]I don't think you read the whole thread. Please read from the beginning. Some members have clearly expressed the annoyance by sellers msging the buyers for the payment even for once. In fact, one member thought it will "[B]piss off a buyer[/B]" if a seller contacts the buyer more than once asking for the payment.

Also when you say "we" who are "we"? Are you a representing some sort of a group that is against sellers contacting buyers asking for the payment?

I laugh at this because you sounded as if you are making some sort of an intervention on how I should approach my ebay business. I have been doing just fine thank you. I am totally aware that there is no need to send a msg to the buyer but I'd like to. That should be the end of the story.

I guess people have different styles approaching auctions on ebay. To each his own. Seriously, since when are people complaining about sellers contacting buyers for the payment??? I mean why do people care what and how sellers communicate with buyers to entice the timely payment?? If the buyer finds it "annoying" that's on the buyer not on the seller. For buyers, just make the damn payment. Don't bid if you don't have the money or didn't have any intention of making the payment. If you can't make a payment in time, then COMMUNICATE with a seller. Simple as that. Don't worry about a buyer returning the card. If a buyer has a LEGITIMATE reason to return the card, then that's on me. If not, well, that's on the buyer and is ruining his reputation and I will let Blowout know about the buyer.

I always try to follow the best protocol when selling and buying on ebay and on blowout and my feedback speaks for itself. So I'm expecting a little more higher standards from people on blowout and that's why I called elimanning out for ignoring my msgs and not communicating.[/QUOTE]
maybe you should read the entire thread cause your response indicates you don't understand the meaning of annoyed. Also the bold absolutely does happen. Your style is going to get you a few negs, don't come on here crying about it.

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17598463]Again, you are clearly missing my point.

1. the reason I called out elimanning is because he is a blowout member and clearly got my number of msgs as he was active on blowout even after a number of msgs I sent him on ebay and on Blowout. So for 3 days he had refused to respond to my msgs until I had to call him out on blowout and then he finally responded via private msg and forum

2. It is absolutely ridiculous to assert that my asking buyers about the payment as "treating them badly". How is that possibly "treating them" badly??? Trickle down effect on sellers? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? In fact, on the contrary, because the way I TREAT buyers, I make the ebay buying experience look good. Again, please take a look at my feedback. I COMMUNICATE, send the package with in 24 hours or 48 hours the latest (I have a job), always provide tracking and signature for cards above $500 at my cost etc... I seriously find your steadfast defense for buyers including for those who purposely wait 4 days to make the payment just out of spite of sellers, OVER those honest top sellers like myself very disconcerting. In fact, please let me know your ebay username so that we can save each others misery by blocking each other. You know my ebay username so you can block me.

FYI, 98% of the buyers are absolutely great buyers. They either pay right away or within 12 hours the most. A lot of the times, rest of them also make the payment when I send them a msg asking when they intend to make the payment. So sending them emails as a reminder def works. Also I would say 99% of them keep their words once they communicate so communication works no matter how much you may belittle those words by ebay buyers. You should give them more credit.


3. How was I able to sell the card on 13th and then 4 days after? I cancelled 4 days after given that buyer couldn't be reached and I relisted the card and sold the card right away and the buyer made the payment. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]

1 So what. He was within the time frame allowed by Ebay.

2. Calling out buyers when they are within the payment time allowed by Ebay is treating them badly. Posting false positives about buyers not paying then they pay you is treating them badly. You are very lucky that buyer did not neg you.

3 You think anyone believs that you waited the full 4 days?You cancelled this itm BEFORE the 4 days were up. You do realize we can see the time stamps of when the items were sold.

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/174877631719?hash=item28b784e4e7:g:N~IAAOSw4ZhhDeS5[/url]

[B]SOLD:[/B]Aug 13, 2021 , 8:43PM

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/174895119199?ViewItem=&item=174895119199&nma=true&si=Zt7ErTlqXZ%252FBiQfwL236T3h4mKI%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/url]

[B]SOLD[/B]:Aug 17, 2021 , 6:06AM

That is not the full 96 hours that ebay allows Its about 82 hours. So there is no way you gave them a strike. Which is more beneficial than anything else. So what reason did you use to cancel it early? Because the reason buyer did not pay was not valid at that point. So what were you saying bout being an HONEST seller?

[QUOTE=shrevecity;17598484]1 So what. He was within the time frame allowed by Ebay.

2. Calling out buyers when they are within the payment time allowed by Ebay is treating them badly. Posting false positives about buyers not paying then they pay you is treating them badly. You are very lucky that buyer did not neg you.

3 You think anyone believs that you waited the full 4 days?You cancelled this itm BEFORE the 4 days were up. You do realize we can see the time stamps of when the items were sold.

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/174877631719?hash=item28b784e4e7:g:N~IAAOSw4ZhhDeS5[/url]

[B]SOLD:[/B]Aug 13, 2021 , 8:43PM

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/174895119199?ViewItem=&item=174895119199&nma=true&si=Zt7ErTlqXZ%252FBiQfwL236T3h4mKI%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/url]

[B]SOLD[/B]:Aug 17, 2021 , 6:06AM

That is not the full 96 hours that ebay allows Its about 82 hours. So there is no way you gave them a strike. Which is more beneficial than anything else.[/QUOTE]

Yep and even at 96 hours it can not be done, it has to be hour 97 aka Day 5 before it can be canceled.

[QUOTE=hche;17593384]There is no point in keep sending messages. eBay sends its own reminder. If you send a message, he doesn't respond or pay, then he is unlikely to pay anyway. What's the point of keep sending messages? Some people do get annoy from those payment reminders. Communication goes both ways. If 1 side does not communicate, then there is no point for the other side to keep trying. Just cancel when it is time to do so.[/QUOTE]

What is point of sending messages before the 4 days? I got feeling buyer probably got them within 12 hours.

I recently won a auction item. Auction item won with me being the only bid.

Auction ends, 12 mins after Auction ends I get a message asking when they could expect payment. When I finally got to reading the message I really was contemplating asking to cancel because of that. I don't want to deal with high maintenance sellers and that's how you both come off. Also if you hold me to high standard of payment time. I expect the same. (I did pay the seller despite request of payment expectation after 12 mins)

[QUOTE=Crosby 87;17598504]I recently won a auction item. Auction item won with me being the only bid.

Auction ends, 12 mins after Auction ends I get a message asking when they could expect payment. When I finally got to reading the message I really was contemplating asking to cancel because of that. I don't want to deal with high maintenance sellers and that's how you both come off. Also if you hold me to high standard of payment time. I expect the same. (I did pay the seller despite request of payment expectation after 12 mins)[/QUOTE]

Did he ship within 12 minutes?

If a buyer is going to take more than 4 days to pay he should contact you. If its not then there is no need for either party to contact one another. If as a seller your cash flow relies heavily on buyers paying immediately then you do not need to be doing auctions or take offers at all. If you list auctions you should expect every buyer to take up to 4 days to pay.

[QUOTE=shrevecity;17598512]Did he ship within 12 minutes?[/QUOTE]

Paid 9:12 pm
Label printed 9:01 am

Still waiting on item to be delivered btw. So the jury is still out on the item

[QUOTE=Crosby 87;17598529]Paid 9:12 pm
Label printed 9:01 am

Still waiting on item to be delivered btw. So the jury is still out on the item[/QUOTE]

So he expected immediate payment but could not ship immediately. LOL

[QUOTE=shrevecity;17598484]1 So what. He was within the time frame allowed by Ebay.

2. Calling out buyers when they are within the payment time allowed by Ebay is treating them badly. Posting false positives about buyers not paying then they pay you is treating them badly. You are very lucky that buyer did not neg you.

3 You think anyone believs that you waited the full 4 days?You cancelled this itm BEFORE the 4 days were up. You do realize we can see the time stamps of when the items were sold.

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/174877631719?hash=item28b784e4e7:g:N~IAAOSw4ZhhDeS5[/url]

[B]SOLD:[/B]Aug 13, 2021 , 8:43PM

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/174895119199?ViewItem=&item=174895119199&nma=true&si=Zt7ErTlqXZ%252FBiQfwL236T3h4mKI%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/url]

[B]SOLD[/B]:Aug 17, 2021 , 6:06AM

That is not the full 96 hours that ebay allows Its about 82 hours. So there is no way you gave them a strike. Which is more beneficial than anything else. So what reason did you use to cancel it early? Because the reason buyer did not pay was not valid at that point. So what were you saying bout being an HONEST seller?[/QUOTE]

Please read carefully. I wrote the reason as the "buyer couldn't be reached" as the reason for the canceling. eBay always encourages to reach out to a buyer and communicate with a buyer. That's what I tried to do for 3 days straight via on ebay and on Blowout. When the buyer failed to respond to my multiple msgs, and when I realized that he purposely ignored my msgs, it was clear to me that he had no intention to make the payment. So I cancelled it and I relisted the item.

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17581011]His Blowout username is elimanningbase and his ebay username is kicksandcards100

[b]Non paying bidder.[/b] Specifically stated on my auction not to bid if there is no intention or can't make the payment and yet he wins and still hasn't paid and refuses to answer number of my msgs both on ebay and on here on Blowout.

The card was 2017 Select Patrick Mahomes Field Level RC PSA 10

I know he got the msgs because was active on Blowout as of this morning at 11:43AM.

[b]I am really getting tired of these non-paying bidders[/b] and especially coming from a Blowout member makes it that much more disappointing.

Anyways, feel free to put him on the block list[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17598536]Please read carefully. I wrote the reason as the "buyer couldn't be reached" as the reason for the canceling. eBay always encourages to reach out to a buyer and communicate with a buyer. That's what I tried to do for 3 days straight via on ebay and on Blowout. When the buyer failed to respond to my multiple msgs, and when I realized that he purposely ignored my msgs, it was clear to me that he had no intention to make the payment. So I cancelled it and I relisted the item.[/QUOTE]

Did read carefully your first Post in this thread you state "Non Paying Bidder" Multiple Times, you do not know that he was not going to pay on Day 4.

Your post should have been Be Warned Blowout Member does not respond to my messages instead of non paying bidder.

[QUOTE=Crosby 87;17598504]I recently won a auction item. Auction item won with me being the only bid.

Auction ends, [B]12 mins after Auction ends I get a message asking when they could expect payment.[/B] When I finally got to reading the message I really was contemplating asking to cancel because of that. I don't want to deal with high maintenance sellers and that's how you both come off. Also if you hold me to high standard of payment time. I expect the same. (I did pay the seller despite request of payment expectation after 12 mins)[/QUOTE]

WTF, that's pretty bad. You should have told him "When I get around to it, if at all"

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17598536]Please read carefully. I wrote the reason as the "buyer couldn't be reached" as the reason for the canceling. eBay always encourages to reach out to a buyer and communicate with a buyer. That's what I tried to do for 3 days straight via on ebay and on Blowout. When the buyer failed to respond to my multiple msgs, and when I realized that he purposely ignored my msgs, it was clear to me that he had no intention to make the payment. So I cancelled it and I relisted the item.[/QUOTE]

That is not a valid reason for cancellation There are 4 reasons to cancel 3 if done before the 96 hours. Again maybe he was choosing to ignore your multiple messages and was going to pay t the last minute. I ignore half the messages I get from buyers because 99% of them are for something that is either already in the listing or is something stupid like buying an item on a Saturday then messaging me on a Sunday asking why it has not shipped I ignore those. I know If they neg me for slow shipping in that case Ebay will remove it. If a buyer has an issue with an item my usual response is return for refund any further messages are either ignored or given the same response. No need for anything else.

Out of Stock/damaged
Problem with buyers address
Buyer request

after 96 hours

then another reason is added and that is

Buyer did not pay.

Again if the buyer is going to pay within the 96 hours there is really zero need for anyone to contact anyone. I have buyers who have spent thousand on items from m over the years and I have never contacted them via email there is simply no need for it. One of them takes 3 to 4 days to pay everytime he buys but he pays so its all good. Ebay encourages communication WHEN THERE IS A PROBLEM a buyer not paying within the allowed time frame IS NOT A PROBLEM.

[QUOTE=Cavaliercards;17598542]Did read carefully your first Post in this thread you state "Non Paying Bidder" Multiple Times, you do not know that he was not going to pay on Day 4.

Your post should have been Be Warned Blowout Member does not respond to my messages instead of non paying bidder.[/QUOTE]

You are absolutely right about that. Although he DID become an eventual non-paying bidder as I EXPECTED, technically when I created the thread he was simply a non-responsive Blowout member. You are absolutely correct on that. That misuse of nomenclature was my mistake.

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17598569]You are absolutely right about that. Although he DID become an eventual non-paying bidder as I EXPECTED, technically when I created the thread he was simply a non-responsive Blowout member. You are absolutely correct on that. That misuse of nomenclature was my mistake.[/QUOTE]

Most buyers would have become a non-payer after being called out even if you had not cancelled early.. You are probably lucky he did become one, but since you cancelled early there is a way he could go in and still neg you.

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17598569]You are absolutely right about that. Although he DID become an eventual non-paying bidder as I EXPECTED, technically when I created the thread he was simply a non-responsive Blowout member. You are absolutely correct on that. That misuse of nomenclature was my mistake.[/QUOTE]

You canceled on him, so you dont know what he would have become as you canceled and he had no opportunity to pay at that point.

Factually, when you created the thread, when you canceled, and at this moment and forever he was a non-responsive Blowout Member and nothing more.

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17598569]You are absolutely right about that. Although he DID become an eventual non-paying bidder as I EXPECTED, technically when I created the thread he was simply a non-responsive Blowout member. You are absolutely correct on that. That misuse of nomenclature was my mistake.[/QUOTE]

how exactly did he become a non-paying bidder if you cancelled on him before his time limit was up?????

[QUOTE=glen87;17598643]how exactly did he become a non-paying bidder if you cancelled on him before his time limit was up?????[/QUOTE]

Wow you guys... LOL

This is getting scary and funny at the same time.

Yes that was my mistake for calling him non paying bidder with still 12 hours to go. I'm paying the price for assuming that was the case after number of msgs sent to him both on ebay and blowout even though he clearly saw my msgs. So he was clearly a non responsive member not a non-paying bidder as of then.

If people are fixated on the technicalities of making the payment within 4 days without any communications, I think that may lead to many unhappy sellers.

Good luck on making this hobby better by promoting zero communication and shaming sellers for reaching out to buyers for a true intention of the winning bid let alone the timing of the payment. Of course 12 mins after the auction end is just too aggressive but I think that after 18 hours (That's how long I took before sending a msg to elimanning) for a big item is reasonable especially if the wording is professional enough.

All I can say is I will do whatever I have been doing so far (buyers seem to be very appreciative of how I approach all the transactions) except changing one thing going forward, I will no longer make the mistake of canceling manually. eBay automatically cancels anyways after 4 days of non payment.

I hope buyers like yourselves practice good will protocol and make payments promptly rather than wait until 4th day unless you have a really good reason or at least communicate with the seller. If that bothers you then well, I don't know what to say.

Happy collecting fellas.

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17598670]Wow you guys... LOL

This is getting scary and funny at the same time.

Yes that was my mistake for calling him non paying bidder with still 12 hours to go. I'm paying the price for assuming that was the case after number of msgs sent to him both on ebay and blowout even though he clearly saw my msgs. So he was clearly a non responsive member not a non-paying bidder as of then.

If people are fixated on the technicalities of making the payment within 4 days without any communications, I think that may lead to many unhappy sellers.

Good luck on making this hobby better by promoting zero communication and shaming sellers for reaching out to buyers for a true intention of the winning bid let alone the timing of the payment. Of course 12 mins after the auction end is just too aggressive but I think that after 18 hours (That's how long I took before sending a msg to elimanning) for a big item is reasonable especially if the wording is professional enough.

All I can say is I will do whatever I have been doing so far (buyers seem to be very appreciative of how I approach all the transactions) except changing one thing going forward, I will no longer make the mistake of canceling manually. eBay automatically cancels anyways after 4 days of non payment.

I hope buyers like yourselves practice good will protocol and make payments promptly rather than wait until 4th day unless you have a really good reason or at least communicate with the seller. If that bothers you then well, I don't know what to say.

Happy collecting fellas.[/QUOTE]

How will that make sellers unhappy? I dont get upset when they don't pay at all it is what it is, they pay or they don't after 4 days if no payment I cancel it per the buyer did not pay option block them and move on with life. Its a risk you take when you take offers. I feel if you need immediate payment don't do auctions or take offers otherwise you should prepare to wait the full 4 days. If you cannot wait that long for payment then that is on you not the buyer.

Non-payers are very low on the scale of problem bidders. I have had 4 or 5 this year and that is it. They make up far less than 1% of my sales and in nearly all the cases I have had this year the item ended up selling for more. 2 of them I was PRAYING the buyer would not pay they did me the greatest favor ever by not paying.

Its also easy to contact buyers like you think they should be contacted when you are selling 1 or 2 items a day and have only 20 or 25 items listed. When you get into the thousands or items it becomes a little more difficult. If I spent time chasing payments or answering all questions I get or whatever there would be no time for listing or shipping or anything else.

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17598670]Wow you guys... LOL

This is getting scary and funny at the same time.

Yes that was my mistake for calling him non paying bidder with still 12 hours to go. I'm paying the price for assuming that was the case after number of msgs sent to him both on ebay and blowout even though he clearly saw my msgs. So he was clearly a non responsive member not a non-paying bidder as of then.

If people are fixated on the technicalities of making the payment within 4 days without any communications, I think that may lead to many unhappy sellers.

Good luck on making this hobby better by promoting zero communication and shaming sellers for reaching out to buyers for a true intention of the winning bid let alone the timing of the payment. Of course 12 mins after the auction end is just too aggressive but I think that after 18 hours (That's how long I took before sending a msg to elimanning) for a big item is reasonable especially if the wording is professional enough.

All I can say is I will do whatever I have been doing so far (buyers seem to be very appreciative of how I approach all the transactions) except changing one thing going forward, I will no longer make the mistake of canceling manually. eBay automatically cancels anyways after 4 days of non payment.

I hope buyers like yourselves practice good will protocol and make payments promptly rather than wait until 4th day unless you have a really good reason or at least communicate with the seller. If that bothers you then well, I don't know what to say.

Happy collecting fellas.[/QUOTE]

Even though I haven't sold anything for awhile, I have learned that, as a seller, there is no point in worrying about a payment. eBay sent automated payment reminders. If I sent 1 message and received no response, I will assume I am not getting paid. It is not like if I send 100 messages, then that person will changed his mind into paying or suddenly start communicating. I will just let eBay runs its course and cancel the sales when time is up. There is no point in worrying about payment. There is nothing a seller can do to force a payment. In some instances, forcing a payment may backfire as the buyer doesn't want a strike, paid for it and returned it damaged. All we are trying to say is nothing good comes out when a seller is too pesky about a payment.

[QUOTE=hche;17598701]Even though I haven't sold anything for awhile, I have learned that, as a seller, there is no point in worrying about a payment. eBay sent automated payment reminders. If I sent 1 message and received no response, I will assume I am not getting paid. It is not like if I send 100 messages, then that person will changed his mind into paying or suddenly start communicating. I will just let eBay runs its course and cancel the sales when time is up. There is no point in worrying about payment. There is nothing a seller can do to force a payment. In some instances, forcing a payment may backfire as the buyer doesn't want a strike, paid for it and returned it damaged. All we are trying to say is nothing good comes out when a seller is too pesky about a payment.[/QUOTE]

Same cold be said of this thread what did the OP gain? No reasonable seller is going to block the buyer now that all the info is out there. I would say more would be blocking the OP over it, if anyone is blocked.

[QUOTE=shrevecity;17598811]Same cold be said of this thread what did the OP gain? No reasonable seller is going to block the buyer now that all the info is out there. I would say more would be blocking the OP over it, if anyone is blocked.[/QUOTE]

If a buyer ignores me and doesn't pay for 3 days, I will block them. I won't deal with people unable to take 10 seconds to send a f'ing message. No way OP should be blocked

[QUOTE=Cavaliercards;17591708]Honestly I dont want people messaging me saying they need 5 days to pay or 6 days to pay. No reason for sellers to keep on messaging. Just send the invoice and then buyer pays in 7 days or not.[/QUOTE]

The market fluctuates, so don't waste my time for 7 days when I could sell the card to somebody else. Either pay in a few days at the most, or tell me you changed your mind.

Don’t you guys love dolts who think they are right and refuse to hear logic when 15 people are trying to help them? Then you get the one guy who has to disagree with everyone on every topic show up lateto tell everyone they are wrong again.

Op blocked

[QUOTE=hugh;17598845]If a buyer ignores me and doesn't pay for 3 days, I will block them. I won't deal with people unable to take 10 seconds to send a f'ing message. No way OP should be blocked[/QUOTE]

And that is your opinion. You also claim a buyer who gets their money back from a bad seller was not the victim of fraud and the seller was not a thief..

[QUOTE=hugh;17598852]The market fluctuates, so don't waste my time for 7 days when I could sell the card to somebody else. Either pay in a few days at the most, or tell me you changed your mind.[/QUOTE]

OP was complaining within 18 hours of purchase not 7 days. Maybe learn to read. He posted this in under 3 days after the item won. Ebay rules give a buyer 4 complete days. All Cavalier said is their policy is to call it unpaid after 7 days Ebay allows that, but Ebay does not consider a buyer who the seller cancels on after 3 days a non-payer in fact if the seller lied on his reason it could give Ebay a reason to punish the seller if reported and the proof backs up the story.

OP cancelled this auction before he gave the buyer the time allowed by Ebay. I think it speaks volumes about the buyer here that he has not negged the seller yet. If he did it would be justified.

[QUOTE=shrevecity;17598863]OP was complaining within 18 hours of purchase not 7 days. Maybe learn to read. He posted this in under 3 days after the item won. Ebay rules give a buyer 4 complete days. All Cavalier said is their policy is to call it unpaid after 7 days Ebay allows that, but Ebay does not consider a buyer who the seller cancels on after 3 days a non-payer in fact if the seller lied on his reason it could give Ebay a reason to punish the seller if reported and the proof backs up the story.

OP cancelled this auction before he gave the buyer the time allowed by Ebay. I think it speaks volumes about the buyer here that he has not negged the seller yet. If he did it would be justified.[/QUOTE]

Don’t waste your time if 99 out of 100 people say one thing he’s nearly always the 1% every time.

[QUOTE=obadger;17590235]Maybe you should have been resting and not bidding on items on ebay. I'm sure this thread was probably a "cure all" for any illness you may have had.[/QUOTE]

I had my high bid in the afternoon of that day and it won, nice try though.

[QUOTE=elimanningbase;17599249]I had my high bid in the afternoon of that day and it won, nice try though.[/QUOTE]

Yeah bid history confirms that.

OP claims you were active and saw his messages. Looking at your posting activity I believe your story over that as well. Just because the site shows you online or active does not necessarily mean you are.

My question is how many messages were sent and how long after did they start?

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I sold a significant amount of stuff on ebay compared to the regular person this past year and a half. I have sent buyers plenty of messages asking about payment. I would typically ask when the unpaid item case was one day from opening which I had set to after 4 days. Or with ebay's new policy, I would ask one day before the cancelation would automatically happen. In both instances, my message asking about payment was very effective in getting paid. No one got pissed at me. I was respectful. No damaged card returns. In my experience, a message reminder to pay has been a worthwhile thing to do that has never backfired on me.

[QUOTE=shrevecity;17599277]Yeah bid history confirms that.

OP claims you were active and saw his messages. Looking at your posting activity I believe your story over that as well. Just because the site shows you online or active does not necessarily mean you are.

My question is how many messages were sent and how long after did they start?[/QUOTE]

I was not active at all, again only way I found out about this is cause a buddy called me. I then read this thread, then logged into my ebay and saw a bunch of messages from the seller. Its over with, I talked to the seller we both agreed to not deal with each other again.

[QUOTE=kyleuk21;17599582]I sold a significant amount of stuff on ebay compared to the regular person this past year and a half. I have sent buyers plenty of messages asking about payment. I would typically ask when the unpaid item case was one day from opening which I had set to after 4 days. Or with ebay's new policy, I would ask one day before the cancelation would automatically happen. In both instances, my message asking about payment was very effective in getting paid. No one got pissed at me. I was respectful. No damaged card returns. In my experience, a message reminder to pay has been a worthwhile thing to do that has never backfired on me.[/QUOTE]

You waited 3 days though before sending any the OP called the buyer out here as a non-payer and had cancelled the item in the time you gave. The OP says first message was around 18 hours later and both acknowledge there were multiple messages. One message a few hours before you open a claim or cancel the listing for non-payment is different than multiple messages over a short period of time. Its a huge difference.

[QUOTE=kyleuk21;17599582]I sold a significant amount of stuff on ebay compared to the regular person this past year and a half. I have sent buyers plenty of messages asking about payment. I would typically ask when the unpaid item case was one day from opening which I had set to after 4 days. Or with ebay's new policy, I would ask one day before the cancelation would automatically happen. In both instances, my message asking about payment was very effective in getting paid. No one got pissed at me. I was respectful. No damaged card returns. In my experience, a message reminder to pay has been a worthwhile thing to do that has never backfired on me.[/QUOTE]

If someone wants to send a reminder, your way is the way I would recommend. 1 polite reminder may be 24 hours before the auto cancellation is sufficient. Sending multiple messages asking for a payment, like the way OP did, never ends well.

[QUOTE=hugh;17598852]The market fluctuates, so don't waste my time for 7 days when I could sell the card to somebody else. Either pay in a few days at the most, or tell me you changed your mind.[/QUOTE]

It’s only been within the last little while you could close within 4 days and not incur fees.

[QUOTE=estebahn73;17598670]Wow you guys... LOL

This is getting scary and funny at the same time.

Yes that was my mistake for calling him non paying bidder with still 12 hours to go. I'm paying the price for assuming that was the case after number of msgs sent to him both on ebay and blowout even though he clearly saw my msgs. So he was clearly a non responsive member not a non-paying bidder as of then.

If people are fixated on the technicalities of making the payment within 4 days without any communications, I think that may lead to many unhappy sellers.

Good luck on making this hobby better by promoting zero communication and shaming sellers for reaching out to buyers for a true intention of the winning bid let alone the timing of the payment. Of course 12 mins after the auction end is just too aggressive but I think that after 18 hours (That's how long I took before sending a msg to elimanning) for a big item is reasonable especially if the wording is professional enough.

All I can say is I will do whatever I have been doing so far (buyers seem to be very appreciative of how I approach all the transactions) except changing one thing going forward, I will no longer make the mistake of canceling manually. eBay automatically cancels anyways after 4 days of non payment.

I hope buyers like yourselves practice good will protocol and make payments promptly rather than wait until 4th day unless you have a really good reason or at least communicate with the seller. If that bothers you then well, I don't know what to say.

Happy collecting fellas.[/QUOTE]

Fair and reasonable. Wouldnt dwell on the responses that much, there can be a bit of mob mentality in here at times. From your feedback you seem to be a reputable, long-time ebay seller with great feedback, and I wouldnt have any issue dealing with you.

I think the main takeaway is just this: definitely try and wait until the whole 4 days have passed to then cancel the transaction (so you can give a reason of "buyer didnt pay"- you still manually cancel the transaction, but this option will show up after the 4 days). This can help other sellers on ebay because in buyer management settings, they have buyers with so many cancellations due to non-payment automatically blocked, and buyers with the strikes wont be able to buy from those other sellers on that account at least.

In a sense you are actually helping out the buyer by cancelling before the 4 days- they dont get that strike and get out of winning an auction and not paying. Now would the buyer have actually paid with the 12 hours or whatever left? Who knows. I'm pretty skeptical of the story given. But we cant know now because the whole 4 days wasnt given. It's important to wait out the 4 days.

Anyway my two cents.

[QUOTE=Cavaliercards;17591708]Honestly I dont want people messaging me saying they need 5 days to pay or 6 days to pay. No reason for sellers to keep on messaging. Just send the invoice and then buyer pays in 7 days or not.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=shrevecity;17598863]OP was complaining within 18 hours of purchase not 7 days. Maybe learn to read. [/QUOTE]

I was referring to any buyer who waits 7 days to pay without messaging...maybe stop

[QUOTE=hugh;17600137]I was referring to any buyer who waits 7 days to pay without messaging...maybe stop[/QUOTE]

I’m sure there’s a reason for not paying right away. But seems pretty simple to pay when you claim something or win an auction. If you fall asleep just pay the next morning. I mean it takes like 1 minute if that.

[QUOTE=hugh;17600137]I was referring to any buyer who waits 7 days to pay without messaging...maybe stop[/QUOTE]

And we have said that if a buyer is going to take more than the allowed time which is 4 days then they should contact the seller. Again the buyer was within that time frame when the op posted this thread. It was not 7 days the op posted this thread in less than 3 days and cancelled it in less than 4. Some sellers give 7 I know some who give 2 weeks. It's their choice they just have to abide by the 4 day minimum.

[QUOTE=hugh;17600137]I was referring to any buyer who waits 7 days to pay without messaging...maybe stop[/QUOTE]

Again until recently a seller could not file a strike until 7 days, so if buyer wanted to wait that long then that was ebay's policy. It is why we still go that route ourselves, it allows people to combine listings and see what else the seller has available. Just good business.

Badgering a buyer to pay, is as useless as stating "not to bid if there is no intention or can't make the payment" in your auction.

Has a buyer ever said "Oh, I need to pay for the auction? Thanks for the email, I didn't know!" and has a scammer ever said "I better not fake bid on this guys stuff, he said not to right there in the auction"

Add my name to the list of people that do not like unnecessary contact from sellers. That includes the "friendly" messages that do not need to be sent. such as "I will get this out on Monday" or "If you like such and such, I also have this and that I will sell you" ETC

Im not looking for any pen pals on ebay...