***The Official "This Card is OVER GRADED" Thread***
 

I always come across things on eBay that I feel like I'd like to catalog and look at/share w/ folks. Whether it be stupid eBay listings, or cards that I feel are inaccurately graded. Hoping others also will like this.

(Apologies in advance for hating on the card if it's yours. Happens to us all)

This card I came across today and it really made me do a double take. If you have any examples of cards that you feel are over graded, please share!

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/143950118715?hash=item2184187f3b:g:cjwAAOSwuQpgKzZK[/url]

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cjwAAOSwuQpgKzZK/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JooAAOSwAQJgKzZX/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG]

Front looks like a 10. Back looks like an 8.

PSA doesn’t care as much about back corners but I don’t really have a problem with that card being a 10 (from what I can see) - it would likely cross to be a BGS 9.5 with them giving the corners a 9.0.

[QUOTE=ChaseUA;17580686]Front looks like a 10. Back looks like an 8.

PSA doesn’t care as much about back corners but I don’t really have a problem with that card being a 10 (from what I can see) - it would likely cross to be a BGS 9.5 with them giving the corners a 9.0.[/QUOTE]

I've got some Mahomes parallel 2020 Prizms that just came back, 1 9 and 1 10. The 9 front is perfect and the back corners are much better than this one.

From new serial numbers, it's rare to see corners as beat up and still 10 from what I'm seeing.

This was mine but I sold it because I could only see the centering. Still an awesome card though.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/UXLmiOgl.jpg[/img]

Not mine. Was sold a while back in a Probstein auction on ebay.

[IMG]https://pbase.com/towerymt/image/171350235.jpg[/IMG]

I've always wondered if when cards get mis-labeled by being slabbed in the wrong order, could something like this get into a 10 holder when the next slab was an 8 or a 9 of another base prizm Morant, but had the actual PSA-10 quality card in it. The centering is so bad, and so easy to notice, that I find it hard to believe this was actually graded a 10.

[IMG][img]https://i.imgur.com/9OR5JqU.jpg[/img][/IMG]

Just sold through Goldin Auctions on 8/11 for $44,280. Great example of "buy the card not the grade;" it's the lowest sale of a 10 since 11/9/20 (and it's not hard to understand why). Even per PSA's older & more lenient grading standards this should never have graded a 10.

This thread is ck's dream. Lol

[img]https://i.imgur.com/0sVeCRQ.jpg[/img]

Always a favorite.

[QUOTE=PepperDean;17581336][img]https://i.imgur.com/0sVeCRQ.jpg[/img]

Always a favorite.[/QUOTE]

Imagine submitting that card hoping they give you 9 centering instead of 8.5 so you can at least snag a min gem, then the grades pop and you see that...

This thread already exists

[url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1399531[/url]

[QUOTE=majestik101;17581593]This thread already exists

[url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1399531[/url][/QUOTE]

Not technically. That thread is only for centering. This one could be for any reason.

Not sure why we need a show off thread here on blowout when there is already an entire website dedicated to this topic...

Been awhile since I last checked it out, but I'm sure it's still out there on the internet...

I believe it is called 4sharp something or other...

[QUOTE=Onepocketj;17581154]This thread is ck's dream. Lol[/QUOTE]

I'm sure it's right up his alley lol!

[QUOTE=epatmythes;17581969]Not sure why we need a show off thread here on blowout when there is already an entire website dedicated to this topic...

Been awhile since I last checked it out, but I'm sure it's still out there on the internet...

I believe it is called 4sharp something or other...[/QUOTE]

I'll have to check that out! It's shocking how many cards are over graded.

Auto grades on Ohtanis are laughably bad.

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/265224898533?hash=item3dc0a2c7e5%3Ag%3AbpUAAOSwC8Ng6Jp7&nma=true&si=OVPWsQXnYjndN4X5H1fe%252FphK%252BB4%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/url]

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bpUAAOSwC8Ng6Jp7/s-l500.jpg[/IMG]

This thread will quickly show new folks that Gem Mint is not pristine - and even pristine is not pristine. Don't waste money on a PSA 10, BGS 9.5/10 case if the card doesn't match. We all have seen cards cross from one service to another, which shows that grading has some subjectivity and has not reached acceptable standards.

The price craze for a PSA 10 and BGS 10 baffles my mind. Imagine if somebody perfects AI to the point that renders grades prior to AI obsolete... Wasted money.

[QUOTE=Jagsfansunshine;17597360]This thread will quickly show new folks that Gem Mint is not pristine - and even pristine is not pristine. Don't waste money on a PSA 10, BGS 9.5/10 case if the card doesn't match. We all have seen cards cross from one service to another, which shows that grading has some subjectivity and has not reached acceptable standards.

The price craze for a PSA 10 and BGS 10 baffles my mind. Imagine if somebody perfects AI to the point that renders grades prior to AI obsolete... Wasted money.[/QUOTE]

Here’s the thing - AI is only as effective as the people that program it. Combined with the amount of different card designs, layouts, etc. It’ll NEVER be perfected. Those looking forward to the day that PSA or BGS become “obsolete” are going to be sorely disappointed.

I do think the market is primed for another (or multiple) company to make a step forward and become a more relevant third party. SCG and CSG seemed to me to be the safest bets to do so, but both have had some questionable QA recently and aren’t nearly to the scale of PSA so their long term viability is questionable. I do feel CSG is most likely to be the next big time player but really think their initial focus should have been on TCG’s since they have a background in comics etc.

[QUOTE=ChaseUA;17597424]Here’s the thing - AI is only as effective as the people that program it. Combined with the amount of different card designs, layouts, etc. It’ll NEVER be perfected. Those looking forward to the day that PSA or BGS become “obsolete” are going to be sorely disappointed.

I do think the market is primed for another (or multiple) company to make a step forward and become a more relevant third party. SCG and CSG seemed to me to be the safest bets to do so, but both have had some questionable QA recently and aren’t nearly to the scale of PSA so their long term viability is questionable. I do feel CSG is most likely to be the next big time player but really think their initial focus should have been on TCG’s since they have a background in comics etc.[/QUOTE]

Their initial focus was on TCGs. They started CGC grading around 6 months before opening up CSG for sports cards.

[QUOTE=PepperDean;17597493]Their initial focus was on TCGs. They started CGC grading around 6 months before opening up CSG for sports cards.[/QUOTE]

That makes sense, I guess that goes to show the marketing team missed a chance to have both TCG’s and Sports cards under the same umbrella. The credibility of one being successful would have more easily transferred legitimacy over to the other of they had been under the same name - a la PSA and BGS grading both under the same banner.

[B][/B][QUOTE=ChaseUA;17597511]That makes sense, I guess that goes to show the marketing team missed a chance to have both TCG’s and Sports cards under the same umbrella. The credibility of one being successful would have more easily transferred legitimacy over to the other of they had been under the same name - a la PSA and BGS grading both under the same banner.[/QUOTE]

It is better that CSG and CGC is separate. CGC is not as consistent and went downhill fast since last year.

[B]Check out the centering grades on most of these CGC slabs on COMC. [/B]
[URL="https://www.comc.com/Cards/Pokemon/1998,sh,vDetails,=pokemon+cgc,+vending,i100"]https://www.comc.com/Cards/Pokemon/1998,sh,vDetails,=pokemon+cgc,+vending,i100[/URL]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/BVCmqeg.jpg?1[/IMG]

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/384320843887?hash=item597b4eb06f%3Ag%3AOK0AAOSwiP1hEYIQ&nma=true&si=317J0Cs2zN4ViNp1lKPvE6FDGes%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/url]

:(

This one actually might not be that bad, but could just be the angle. Just looks OC T/B

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/OK0AAOSwiP1hEYIQ/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG]

Here is the worst overgraded card I've ever seen. The moment I saw this I said I would never grade with PSA ever again.

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/G37h5XGW/Gretzkf.jpg[/IMG]

The closeups are even worse, look at the back.

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/wTgcwT5f/Gretzk.jpg[/IMG]

[URL="https://goldinauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=103091"]https://goldinauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=103091[/URL]

This is a joke... the grading not the card. Look at those corners, the card is like a 4.

It's a real card that sold like last month or 2 months ago at Goldin Auction for over $110,000.

[QUOTE=Cardboardalstar;17599278]Here is the worst overgraded card I've ever seen. The moment I saw this I said I would never grade with PSA ever again.

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/G37h5XGW/Gretzkf.jpg[/IMG]

The closeups are even worse, look at the back.

[IMG]https://i.postimg.cc/wTgcwT5f/Gretzk.jpg[/IMG]

[URL="https://goldinauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=103091"]https://goldinauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=103091[/URL]

This is a joke... the grading not the card. Look at those corners, the card is like a 4.

It's a real card that sold like last month or 2 months ago at Goldin Auction for over $110,000.[/QUOTE]

You do realize that no deduction is given to O-Pee-Chee cards because of the rough cut right?

If you think that card should be a 4 it's probably a good thing you stopped grading.

Looks like typical 'OPC rough cut' to me.

Looks like a pile of garbage to me. But, yeah let's give it a 9 because the card typically has rough edges.

[QUOTE=Jagsfansunshine;17600466]Looks like a pile of garbage to me. But, yeah let's give it a 9 because the card typically has rough edges.[/QUOTE]

Quick story,this may sound crazy but it actually happened to me a few years ago,I bought a bunch of 84 opc from BBCE,pulled a donnie baseball,the cut was really nice,so off to PSA it went,thinking 9 at worse as it was well centered ect,Got it back alt.i called PSA to ask about it.the card was the right size i pulled it from a BBCE pack even showed the the receipt from BBCE for the packs.They admitted the cut was to smooth to grade in their opinion.No matter what i could show them they were not going to do anything.

I then called SGC to ask them,giving SGC the whole story,i was told i could send it but more than likely it would get a "sheet cut" label if it was to smooth.I didn't opt for that option and sent it,came back just like PSA sent it.

Just pointing out that the OPC "ruff cut"isn't typical its more like almost all of them.I cant fault PSA or SGC for it,it still sucks but i understand.I would probably have done the same thing.In fact to be honest any OPC card that i didn't pull from a pack myself i wouldn't trust,if it had a smooth cut.Even if its in a slab.

[QUOTE=Jagsfansunshine;17600466]Looks like a pile of garbage to me. But, yeah let's give it a 9 because the card typically has rough edges.[/QUOTE]

I'm not defending how PSA grades old OPC Hockey cards... but that's how they grade old OPC Hockey cards. Every hockey collector knows this.

I get it - kind of like how they grade SI cards with perforated edges. I just find it inconsistent to grade one card a certain way just because it's cut a certain way by the manufacturer. Edges should be accounted the same with all cards. Why does minor chipping on my card deserve a 8 while a rough cut, which is on all of the old OPC hockey cards automatically zero out as a 10? Sorry for the rant.

[QUOTE=rohara99;17602692]I'm not defending how PSA grades old OPC Hockey cards... but that's how they grade old OPC Hockey cards. Every hockey collector knows this.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jagsfansunshine;17603195]I get it - kind of like how they grade SI cards with perforated edges. I just find it inconsistent to grade one card a certain way just because it's cut a certain way by the manufacturer. Edges should be accounted the same with all cards. Why does minor chipping on my card deserve a 8 while a rough cut, which is on all of the old OPC hockey cards automatically zero out as a 10? Sorry for the rant.[/QUOTE]

I used to think exactly like this but have since realized you can't treat cards this way. For example, the card stock used on vintage cards is a lot more uneven and lumpy than that used on any modern card, including paper ones. If a modern card a surface like a 1960s Topps baseball card, it would and should get a PSA 4. Meanwhile, if you expect any card from the 60s to have the pristine, even surface of a card from today, every card from back then would get a low grade; card manufacturing has changed dramatically over the years, including the ways the cards were cut. There absolutely needs to be a curve when grading.

[QUOTE=PepperDean;17603231]I used to think exactly like this but have since realized you can't treat cards this way. For example, the card stock used on vintage cards is a lot more uneven and lumpy than that used on any modern card, including paper ones. If a modern card a surface like a 1960s Topps baseball card, it would and should get a PSA 4. Meanwhile, if you expect any card from the 60s to have the pristine, even surface of a card from today, every card from back then would get a low grade; card manufacturing has changed dramatically over the years, including the ways the cards were cut. There absolutely needs to be a curve when grading.[/QUOTE]

This just serves to illustrate that all grading is completely and unequivocally subjective and relatively pointless. If people--nevermind companies--can't agree on the nature of grading, how can any grade from any company be taken seriously?

People shouldn't have to go through a list of cardstocks to understand why a card got the grade it received. If we start playing this game the situation just gets worse and worse. Universality is the only way to go with regards to grading, and unfortunately as time passes we get further and further away from any chance it'll ever happen.

Why shouldn't older cards be held to today's standard? They're old. The cardstock [I]is inferior[/I]. That's why we don't use it anymore.

[QUOTE=rohara99;17602692]I'm not defending how PSA grades old OPC Hockey cards... but that's how they grade old OPC Hockey cards. Every hockey collector knows this.[/QUOTE]

Even non hockey collectors like myself know this! That is a classic OPC rough cut.

[QUOTE=rjp087;17603334]This just serves to illustrate that all grading is completely and unequivocally subjective and relatively pointless. If people--nevermind companies--can't agree on the nature of grading, how can any grade from any company be taken seriously?

People shouldn't have to go through a list of cardstocks to understand why a card got the grade it received. If we start playing this game the situation just gets worse and worse. Universality is the only way to go with regards to grading, and unfortunately as time passes we get further and further away from any chance it'll ever happen.

Why shouldn't older cards be held to today's standard? They're old. The cardstock [I]is inferior[/I]. That's why we don't use it anymore.[/QUOTE]

I have to disagree there, and I'm not sure that conclusion makes a lot of sense. Why should the grading companies or people in the hobby have to agree on the nature of grading - which I assume you to mean the criteria - for it to be taken seriously? I can take an SGC 9 as seriously as a BGS 9.5 all the while knowing the companies have different standards. If I (or any other individuals) agree with the standards, then I (we) invest value in the grade(s) they assign; if I (we) don't, then I (we) don't. And that's fine.

The second paragraph is just fundamentally wrong. People should have basic knowledge of the hobby they are in, and it isn't too much to ask that people should know modern card stock is different from/superior than vintage card stock. Demanding universal standards renders grading utterly pointless, because it won't have a function for either (a) all modern cards, or (b) all vintage cards. There needs to be different standards in place to adjust.

Also, I'll remind you, you've got it all backwards. Grading was invented for vintage cards, which exhibit a much wider range of wear and printing issues; in its nativity it was never meant for modern cards. The standards [B]were[/B] changed to fit the modern market and the growing desire to grade cards fresh from the pack. So, grading for modern became much more nitpicky, in order to differentiate between minute differences in condition that fundamentally don't impact the overall quality of the card. To flip your question on its head, why shouldn't we hold modern cards to vintage standards? Because then they'd be all 10s, and grading would be pointless; grading [I]had[/I] to be adjusted for modern. Now if you want to argue grading is pointless for modern cards, that's a whole other argument, but if we move forward with the idea that it has a use (and I definitely fall into this camp), then it has to be adjusted from the original formula.

Finally, your last point makes no sense. Just because we don't use something anymore doesn't mean it can't be graded. Grading is an assessment of cards against a synthetic scale. We choose the criteria. If we choose to come up with a set of guidelines (as many companies have) to assess the conditions of vintage cards relative one another, we certainly can. And if you don't invest value in it, and think all vintage cards are roughly equivalent conditions, then don't buy their slabs.

:doh:

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/AgsAAOSw2sFh0ZMN/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=imbluestreak23;17911551]:doh:

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/AgsAAOSw2sFh0ZMN/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

HGA should be excluded because HGA...
:)

I was a bit bummed but okay with my express card just coming back a 9 until I saw this thread. Under a 10x microscope I couldn’t find anything wrong with my card except maybe possibly a “not as sharp” corner as the other three. UGH this thread hurts.

The PSA 9 to that OPC Gretzky might be a bit generous but overall the card's a blazer, at least an 8 and if I was asked what the grade was just by looking at the card I'd say an 8.5. Anyone who thinks that is a 4 has no clue what they're talking about. Only the upper left corner makes the 9 grade a bit questionable. The registration is precise as it gets for the issue -- if you look at the evenness of the spacing of the circle within the circle around the Oilers logo and the oil drop in the circles, it doesn't get much better

I wondered about this card, because of the black spot on the left side (on the back of the card).
Is this type of flaw allowed for gem mint, or is this questionable?
I ask since PSA mentions that a PSA 10 "must be free of staining of any kind".
Still a pretty sharp card.

[url]https://www.ebay.ca/itm/384654548991[/url]

Here is the link again, as the previous one above didn't work when I tried it.

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/384654548991?hash=item598f329fff:g:RtEAAOSwbEdh0zHY[/url]

Ebay number is:
384654548991

Imho that Gretzky is an 8 or 7 not from corners or edges but print defects/ink spots on the front and back

Here is one that I purchased on ebay and only noticed when I received in the mail. Some really bizarre things happening. Corners are awesome, centering is pretty bad but it looks trimmed if you ask me. Why? Top shows an apparent diamond cut. But none of the other borders look diamond to me. Hard to see in the photo but there is even a bit of space in the upper-right between the card and the black mat. If I had to guess the card had some good qualities but one really bad defect or damage on the top edge and it was trimmed off. I don't know how this wasn't returned as trimmed or at least Authentic.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/CyYHyhH_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium[/IMG]

[QUOTE=edogg;17916059]Here is one that I purchased on ebay and only noticed when I received in the mail. Some really bizarre things happening. Corners are awesome, centering is pretty bad but it looks trimmed if you ask me. Why? Top shows an apparent diamond cut. But none of the other borders look diamond to me. Hard to see in the photo but there is even a bit of space in the upper-right between the card and the black mat. If I had to guess the card had some good qualities but one really bad defect or damage on the top edge and it was trimmed off. I don't know how this wasn't returned as trimmed or at least Authentic.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/CyYHyhH_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium[/IMG][/QUOTE]

I don't know about that, looks like the same cut as this PSA 6. And your card looks better imo

[URL="https://www.ebay.com/itm/363681330578?hash=item54ad18b592:g:f98AAOSwsSRh11NA"]https://www.ebay.com/itm/363681330578?hash=item54ad18b592:g:f98AAOSwsSRh11NA[/URL]

Think this is my most notable over-graded card. It's an acetate card, check out the right edge. It looks like it sat in a top loader exposed to air for 20+ years. I subbed it just because I wanted it slabbed, didn't expect it to gem lol.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/p5Pfuiy.jpg?1[/img]

I’m glad PSA jacked up the prices. There’s a million cards out there that never should have been graded.

[QUOTE=Banks8181;17917242]I’m glad PSA jacked up the prices. There’s a million cards out there that never should have been graded.[/QUOTE]

I guess everyone should just ask you what and how they should collect.

[QUOTE=Onepocketj;17917452]I guess everyone should just ask you what and how they should collect.[/QUOTE]

Probably should. If they did the whole PSA mess could have been avoided. Sorry if you think getting garbage cards graded for profit is good for collectors.

Not sports but GPK. This one looks off to me:

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/115178517483?hash=item1ad12cb3eb:g:vU4AAOSwa9xh2gsJ[/url]

Here is a surefire overgraded card.
What do you think the actual grade should be on this one?

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/265518292934[/url]

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/265518292934?hash=item3dd21f9fc6:g:fyIAAOSw4mFh8Gah[/url]

[QUOTE=newcokeandtaco;17924400]Not sports but GPK. This one looks off to me:

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/115178517483?hash=item1ad12cb3eb:g:vU4AAOSwa9xh2gsJ[/url][/QUOTE]

That’s a 7 IMO.


[QUOTE=OPChockey;17954515]Here is a surefire overgraded card.
What do you think the actual grade should be on this one?

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/265518292934[/url]

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/265518292934?hash=item3dd21f9fc6:g:fyIAAOSw4mFh8Gah[/url][/QUOTE]

Beautiful card. I’d had assumed it was a 9 without seeing the label given the centering.

[QUOTE=imbluestreak23;17580629]This card I came across today and it really made me do a double take. If you have any examples of cards that you feel are over graded, please share!

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/143950118715?hash=item2184187f3b:g:cjwAAOSwuQpgKzZK[/url]

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cjwAAOSwuQpgKzZK/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JooAAOSwAQJgKzZX/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

how can a grader miss those corners, unless they were damaged after the card was graded? Grades like these make me upset with the whole grading process...no way should corners like that be missed, I don't care how many cards the grader has graded that day..

[QUOTE=PepperDean;17581336][img]https://i.imgur.com/0sVeCRQ.jpg[/img]

Always a favorite.[/QUOTE]

wow, that is 10 centering? Subgrades, to me, are a joke...unless you are physically going to measure centering on every card with a device, there is no way you can randomly give a card 9, or 9.5 or 10 centering...they look too much alike to be able to just assign a number without measuring...and they clearly didn't measure on this one...oof

[QUOTE=imbluestreak23;17911551]:doh:

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/AgsAAOSw2sFh0ZMN/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

yikes, lower left corner and centering get 9.5? wow -- buy the card, not the grade...let someone else hold onto these "sliders"

Didn't realize Fleer made Gold Refractors.

I can only imagine a Fleer Chrome MJ

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/wcIAAOSwG8NiHbCn/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG]

[URL="https://sports.ha.com/itm/hockey/1979-o-pee-chee-wayne-gretzky-rookie-18-psa-nm-mt-8/a/50052-80186.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515#"]https://sports.ha.com/itm/hockey/1979-o-pee-chee-wayne-gretzky-rookie-18-psa-nm-mt-8/a/50052-80186.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515#[/URL]

A 1979 OPC Gretzky RC (PSA8, cert# 63074871) auction on Heritage (Feb26-27, 2022).
There is paper loss on the back, bottom left corner (see scan).

[IMG]https://www.blowoutforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518790&stc=1&d=1645299259[/IMG]

[IMG]https://www.blowoutforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=519307&stc=1&d=1646092316[/IMG]

The auto...sigh

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/lLgAAOSwMSxhjTLO/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG]

Never seen Beckett this lenient on centering:

[url]https://imgur.com/a/PelpIbv[/url]

[QUOTE=AutoPatchRookie;18093951]Never seen Beckett this lenient on centering:

[url]https://imgur.com/a/PelpIbv[/url][/QUOTE]

Mac Jones getting the BGS Strasburg Super treatment with the centering subgrade

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WacAAOSw9SRi5~UR/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=imbluestreak23;18352599]Mac Jones getting the BGS Strasburg Super treatment with the centering subgrade

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WacAAOSw9SRi5~UR/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

I'm assuming they accidentally switched around the corners and centering subgrades.

[QUOTE=Tnooky;18353170]I'm assuming they accidentally switched around the corners and centering subgrades.[/QUOTE]

My first thought as well.

This is not egregious, but based on how they have been grading, I don't know how this T/B slips by.

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/jJMAAOSw5PVi2gWV/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG]

Therefore a crease receives a 9.5, a ink signed jimmy on the back us a 9, a card with a couple pins through it us a 8.5 and a card that is cut in half is now a 8 ?

That grade makes one wonder if those at these grading companies care about quality control.

Difficult to tell with glare and angle (top card closer to camera), but doesn't appear to me like this is a black label candidate.

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/9RYAAOSwfahi~ZVz/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG]

[url]https://www.psacard.com/cert/64275285[/url]

[IMG]https://d1htnxwo4o0jhw.cloudfront.net/cert/127269595/-6OEcORXiEyTM1vXmm16rg.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=mc1;18409214][url]https://www.psacard.com/cert/64275285[/url]

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That's a new contender for the most pathetic autograph. It's so bad that the grade should be reduced because some idiot scribbled on it

An extremely tough to get 10 grade on this card, and look at the centering on this thing. HOW....

[img]https://i.imgur.com/i6doLvLl.png[/img]

[QUOTE=mc1;18409214][url]https://www.psacard.com/cert/64275285[/url]

[url]https://d1htnxwo4o0jhw.cloudfront.net/cert/127269595/-6OEcORXiEyTM1vXmm16rg.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]

I can't be sure of what is damage (edges) and what is glare from the scanner.

Image on ebay is different and doesn't show the same 'chipping' appearance on the right edge:
[url]https://ebay.com/itm/155142424860[/url]
(top border/corner still looks white, but who knows if it's glare?)

This 9:
[url]https://www.psacard.com/cert/68235216[/url]

Looks different in those images than here:
[url]https://ebay.com/itm/115594000984[/url]

Corners don't matter lol

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tWMAAOSwMFdjfpw8/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG]

Beautiful front,
The back is dog schitt!
M-U-L-T-I-P-L-E paper loss caused by photo album removal?

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What gets me is seeing 10s that have clear corner/edge wear. Of course i'm referring more to older stuff as modern stuff doesn't have that issue much.

Found this overgraded card in Geoff Wilson's (SCI) YT from 2022 Toronto Sports Expo

[youtube]f5oauwDa7SA[/youtube]

[B]5:09 / 9:14[/B]

[URL="https://www.psacard.com/cert/59186785"]https://www.psacard.com/cert/59186785[/URL]

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[QUOTE=PepperDean;17581336][img]https://i.imgur.com/0sVeCRQ.jpg[/img]

Always a favorite.[/QUOTE]

Never saw this one before... wow. As hard as it is to get a BGS 10, and this the card BGS decided to give one to. Damn shame.

[QUOTE=DaveedTO;18568223]Found this overgraded card in Geoff Wilson's (SCI) YT from 2022 Toronto Sports Expo

[youtube]f5oauwDa7SA[/youtube]

[B]5:09 / 9:14[/B]

[URL="https://www.psacard.com/cert/59186785"]https://www.psacard.com/cert/59186785[/URL]

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Nice shill-job with Sluggers. $45K CDN/ $33K USD for his dented PSA 10. Saying he "believes" the card will double/triple in value when "for sure" Ovie breaks Wayne's record. I guess I missed the line up of guys wanting to snap this bargain up!
Meanwhile a BGS true Gem with 4x9.5 subs just sold for $7K.
What a joke. I wonder if a little hand-stuff was going on off-camera!;)

Frustrating seeing serial numbers starting with 7 hitting the market while you have 67s and 68s far away from the end of the tunnel.

And the lower left corner...generous

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Py0AAOSwsMljmMA0/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=PepperDean;17581111][IMG][img]https://i.imgur.com/9OR5JqU.jpg[/img][/IMG]

Just sold through Goldin Auctions on 8/11 for $44,280. Great example of "buy the card not the grade;" it's the lowest sale of a 10 since 11/9/20 (and it's not hard to understand why). Even per PSA's older & more lenient grading standards this should never have graded a 10.[/QUOTE]


I just saw a PSA 10 1984 Topps Don Mattingly on ebay that looked like this. Can't help to wonder if the people who graded back in the pre-lighthouse era and nabbed more 10's are the one's who will always make some good returns on their investment rather than a lot of us who own present day slabs.

Or will buyers actually inspect the card, not the grade more for those pre-lighthouse slabs as more of those are way overgraded.

[QUOTE=miscus555;18622313]I just saw a PSA 10 1984 Topps Don Mattingly on ebay that looked like this. Can't help to wonder if the people who graded back in the pre-lighthouse era and nabbed more 10's are the one's who will always make some good returns on their investment rather than a lot of us who own present day slabs.

Or will buyers actually inspect the card, not the grade more for those pre-lighthouse slabs as more of those are way overgraded.[/QUOTE]

You don’t have to wonder at all. The people who graded pre-lighthouse and through to the first few million of the lighthouse label will always make more on the investment. They bought in cheaper. It’ll always be about timing and the super high grade vintage and super high grade 90s insert ship has sailed. People may double or triple up now…. But it’s nothing compared to the 20/40/100x people will get back when they move stuff they graded around the lighthouse era and before

Even if the quality isn’t as great… it’s easy to reholder into a current label and for the most part…. Those who have the money for these things in psa 10…. They are likely willing to overlook something small to have the grade