*** Official Jordan Poole Thread ***
 

Thoughts? Any hobby love?

He's seen a couple of spikes over the last couple of months since coming back from the G-League, made more on Poole than any other player this year...so far.

Will be interesting to see what happens next season. Encouraging to see him play the entire fourth and overtime last night. His turnover is talked about but that was the only one the entire night and he hit two huge threes when his teammates weren't hitting or turning it over every other possession.

Hoping he'll be leading the second unit next season but we'll see.

He has the potential to become a star.

At a minimum, he's going to be the backup guard for the Warriors next year, and a candidate for 6th man of the year with 15-20 PPG.

Gotta figure that next year the Warriors backcourt minutes will be divided as follows:

Curry: 36 minutes per game
Klay: 30-35 minutes per game
Poole: 25-30 minutes per game

He’s not that good relative to average / above average NBA players. He got a bunch of garbage minutes and scored some points. Future end of the rotation player.

[QUOTE=jcardstore;17350130]He’s not that good relative to average / above average NBA players. [B]He got a bunch of garbage minutes and scored some points. [/B]Future end of the rotation player.[/QUOTE]

Yeahhhhh thats not how his season went at all

[QUOTE=lemongoat1134;17350160]Yeahhhhh thats not how his season went at all[/QUOTE]

You mean the guy who started 7 games, averaged less than 20mpg on a terrible roster that lacked guard talent?

Yea, it is

I cursed him when he turned the ball over with less than 30 seconds left in OT. He’s dead to me.

HOF easy.

Will be an afterthought once Klay comes back.

[QUOTE=jcardstore;17350163]You mean the guy who started 7 games, averaged less than 20mpg on a terrible roster that lacked guard talent?

Yea, it is[/QUOTE]

No I mean the 2nd year player that averaged 14 points post ASB, 18 points in May while the Warriors went 8-1 pushing for a playoff spot and 19 points in 38 minutes in the Warriors most important game of the year.

But you didn't say anything about his minutes or anything about the Warriors guard talent. You said he got a bunch of garbage minutes, which is unequivocally false.

[QUOTE=jcardstore;17350130]He’s not that good relative to average / above average NBA players. He got a bunch of garbage minutes and scored some points. Future end of the rotation player.[/QUOTE]

:confused:

[QUOTE=lemongoat1134;17350202]No I mean the 2nd year player that averaged 14 points post ASB, 18 points in May while the Warriors went 8-1 pushing for a playoff spot and 19 points in 38 minutes in the Warriors most important game of the year.

But you didn't say anything about his minutes or anything about the Warriors guard talent. You said he got a bunch of garbage minutes, which is unequivocally false.[/QUOTE]

In 5 of the 6 games he played > 30 minutes Steph was out. In the majority of the games where he scored > 20 points they played defensive juggernauts such as: Houston, NOP, Washington, Memphis.

Context, but yea points per game... or something like that

[QUOTE=jcardstore;17350257]In 5 of the 6 games he played > 30 minutes Steph was out. In the majority of the games where he scored > 20 points they played defensive juggernauts such as: Houston, NOP, Washington, Memphis.

Context, but yea points per game... or something like that[/QUOTE]

Ahh 6 games was the source of your ignorance. Well my bad!

I did not like him at first, but for a late 1st round pick, I really like him as a 3 & D 6th Man.

[QUOTE=1dayshow;17350462]I did not like him at first, but for a late 1st round pick, I really like him as a 3 & D 6th Man.[/QUOTE]

He’s more of a spark plug bench scorer. Think Jordan Clarkson / Lou Williams type. He’s always been talented but the knock on him early was he was supposedly a head case. He’s worked really hard on his game though and it shows. Role will be greatly diminished once Klay is back, but I think he and Paschall will provide a much needed scoring duo off the bench next year. Hobby wise he’s way overpriced right now, I actually have been selling off some of my stuff because as much as I like having Warriors stuff for PC, his pricing is way too high right now

Yeah I don’t see him becoming a star so I feel like the Clarkson / Lou Williams type is about his ceiling. And it’s not like either of those guys get a ton of hobby love.

Mixed thoughts on this as a Warriors fan.

Poole was really hyped up coming into this year with Klay's injury but Kerr was playing Kent Bazemore and Brad Wanamaker more regularly in the rotation. So I was hyped to see Poole finally breakout in March.

Has a great shot but defensively needs to step it up. Going into next season, he should be expected to be a solid 6th man. Warriors really struggle when Curry is off the floor - so Poole needs to score in his role. Poole also benefitted from extra playing time due to Kelly Oubre Jr being injured too.

Hobby wise - Unless you are already holding, I wouldn't be "investing" in his cards. The Warriors have too many players who will carry the load so not enough shots will be able to go around (Curry, Klay, and Wiggins). Wiseman will be returning and who knows if Kelly Oubre Jr will stay on the team?

Every year the Warriors have a random player who happens to come out of nowhere and can crack into the rotation (Juan Toscano-Anderson), so Poole's opportunities are limited for now.

Lot's of good points here, some real bad takes as well.

Next year will be tough for him to stand out for obvious reasons. I fully expect him to have games where he goes off. He absolutely needs to step up more on defense but there was many encouraging signs even in the last few games of improvement.

I do think Clarkson is a decent comp but I also believe he can be more than that in a couple of years once more playing time is available.

Spaceman has it right, he's a spark plug, was at UM as well. The kid has another gear when driving to the basket and making moves around the rim, the type of talent that only a few have. His best games are when he gets going in the paint and then goes to the money ball. The more he can be encouraged to be aggressive in driving to the rim, the better he'll become.

I actually agree with Kerr's approach and appreciate him rewarding him with more playing time as he was more aggressive and decisive with the ball. You can tell when he's in the right mindset and when he isn't.

Against the Lakers there was a point when he and Steph were both on the court and he got the ball and immediately took a deep three, a very Steph like shot and knocked it down, that's the type of confidence that will keep his playing time up moving forward.

He's young and has a ton of opportunity to grow. Hobby wise I'll wait to see what offseason prices look like.

I've sold about 1/3 of my stash at anywhere from x3-x15 what I paid for so I'm a very happy investor right now. Will be sending some in for grading too.

I jumped on early. Had a couple ok games pre season, has Steph and Klay to learn off and than was hoping after a couple season he would get traded and become a starter somewhere haha. Did alright when Steph was out earlier this year think he averaged 21ppg during that 2 weeks. The other good thing is he has an alright auto which heavily influences my decisions these days PC'ing anyone haha

I've been adding some Poole's to the ole PC.

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Ceiling is Nick Young

I want to like him for trying to bring back the 80's short shorts but he's going into the most punchable face category for mine :cry:

Once Klay comes back he would probably come off the bench, which hurts his hobby value.

But if they ever started him with Klay and Curry as a small 3, he could get a lot of open looks

Great to wake up this morning seeing "Jordan Poole" trending on twitter:

Last night's preseason game:

30 Pts
5 Rebounds
5 Assists
2 Blocks
1 Steal
58% FG
7/13 3PM
3/3 FTM
22 Minutes

[QUOTE=jjrpilot;17700337]Great to wake up this morning seeing "Jordan Poole" trending on twitter:

Last night's preseason game:

30 Pts
5 Rebounds
5 Assists
2 Blocks
1 Steal
58% FG
7/13 3PM
3/3 FTM
22 Minutes[/QUOTE]

he was shooting from steph range last night - it was actually pretty impressive. his offense is there, but he'll need to step up his defense to maintain minutes. the warriors should start him as they wait for klay to come back.

His shooting off the dribble is lightning quick and effortless. I see a blend of Kyrie's ball handling and footwork + Steph/Dame deep range.

Poole is on fire!

Klay won't be back until December at the earliest and Poole is looking great!

Hobbywise I wish I had bought as many Jordan Poole cards as I did of Eric Paschall lol...

There are guys actually out there who want Jordan Poole to be a thing? Every team has a Jordan Poole.

[QUOTE=DiamondDonovan;17708937]Klay won't be back until December at the earliest and Poole is looking great!

Hobbywise I wish I had bought as many Jordan Poole cards as I did of Eric Paschall lol...[/QUOTE]

Same. Between the 3 2019 rookies, I have a ton of Smailagic and Paschall still, very little Poole. But this isn’t the first pump, I sold a lot the first time around

[QUOTE=GeechQuest;17708940]There are guys actually out there who want Jordan Poole to be a thing? Every team has a Jordan Poole.[/QUOTE]

People actually believe Jordan Poole has star talent :cry:

[QUOTE=DiamondDonovan;17708937]Klay won't be back until December at the earliest and Poole is looking great!

Hobbywise I wish I had bought as many Jordan Poole cards as I did of Eric Paschall lol...[/QUOTE]

I sympathize

He's been looking like the third Splash Brother in preseason.

Poole is a great 3rd/4th option. He’s significantly improved since his first season. He’ll get a decent amount of playing time this season too.

Ever since he came back from being sent down (last season), he’s looked really good.

With that said, I’ll try to identify any Poole cards I own to sell over the next few days. Gotta eat that free sushi!

Poole is a great 3rd/4th option. He’s significantly improved since his first season. He’ll get a decent amount of playing time this season too.

Ever since he came back from being sent down (last season), he’s looked really good.

With that said, I’ll try to identify any Poole cards I own to sell over the next few days. Gotta eat that free sushi!

Can't sell this guy quick enough.

I remember when T Ross used to be a thing too. This is your golden opportunity to unload for profit before Klay's return for a dude that will most likely become a career 6th/7th man.

He couldn't even hold The Weeknd's jock as a 3 and d player. Let that marinate for a sec.

My thoughts are, he reminds me of a terrific thread not long ago on this very forum. A daunting yet entertaining read based on the dirty nature of some ebay buyers and the troubling nature of today's hobby.

Knew it wouldn't be long before the kid had a breakout game or string of games to remind me of the dirt I once found myself involved in..��

Kid can play.

Just a fun pick up from a few weeks ago...

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I loved his Comedy Central show, and Get Out was pretty good too.

I’ll see myself out now…

[QUOTE=Friars;17712734]My thoughts are, he reminds me of a terrific thread not long ago on this very forum. A daunting yet entertaining read based on the dirty nature of some ebay buyers and the troubling nature of today's hobby.

Knew it wouldn't be long before the kid had a breakout game or string of games to remind me of the dirt I once found myself involved in..��

Kid can play.[/QUOTE]

I think a lot of people are underestimating him. Obviously now is a good time to take some money, but the warriors don't have a #2 option right now.

And by how teams guard Curry, he is going to get looks. I mean points wise so far in preseason 30,17 (in 23 minutes),28. He has the ability to score.

Dug up what I have left. It’s actually more than I thought, may just toss them up on eBay and see what kind of offers I can get since I still have optic gold, Mosaic Genesis and snakeskin stuck at grading

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[QUOTE=jcardstore;17709390]People actually believe Jordan Poole has star talent :cry:[/QUOTE]

Everyone can be a star in this league just need minutes and shots.

I just want to add that I think he's got what it takes. He is with a good organization and should get decent playing time, at least until Klay comes back. I think he puts up 18 PPG until that time. I could see him being an all star next year if he continues to get minutes.

[QUOTE=TFCNB;17715842]I just want to add that I think he's got what it takes. He is with a good organization and should get decent playing time, at least until Klay comes back. I think he puts up 18 PPG until that time. I could see him being an all star next year if he continues to get minutes.[/QUOTE]

All star next year?!

Here's how it works with Klay he'll come back but he'll be freaking hurt again and Jordan pool take over watch.
I'm investing hard at low prices for poole Thompson's done.
Take it to leave it I don't care.

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The venn diagram between Poole "investors" and Horton-Tucker "investors" is a perfect circle....

[QUOTE=GeechQuest;17716562]The venn diagram between Poole "investors" and Horton-Tucker "investors" is a perfect circle....[/QUOTE]


First thing I thought too. Only Poole has the opportunity that THT didn’t. Even when Klay comes back—I don’t see them riding him a ton of minutes after missing 2 years. The minutes should be there for Poole.

Poole’s strong preseason is also a carryover from how he left off last year and Kerr seems to be leaning towards Poole starting this year. THT didn’t have a regular season role and just dominated when the Lakers stars sat last year’s preseason.

I really enjoyed Get Out but Us felt like a sophomore slump. Will be interesting to see how Nope, his third effort, goes.

Sold a green ice prizm for $150 today. Waiting for $15-20 to sell a couple base I have.

[QUOTE=FT35;17716796]First thing I thought too. Only Poole has the opportunity that THT didn’t. Even when Klay comes back—I don’t see them riding him a ton of minutes after missing 2 years. The minutes should be there for Poole.

Poole’s strong preseason is also a carryover from how he left off last year and Kerr seems to be leaning towards Poole starting this year. THT didn’t have a regular season role and just dominated when the Lakers stars sat last year’s preseason.[/QUOTE]

Oddly enough, THT averaged more minutes than Poole last year. Not that minutes matter.

Poole played roughly as many minutes as Juan Toscano-Anderson in those play-in games last season.

Forget Klay, Poole will now have to play with:

-Iggy
-Wiseman
-Otto Porter

Not only were these minutes that didn’t exist in the play-in last season, more importantly they’re shots that didn’t exist. Poole averaged 9 shots last season and those came in games that didn’t feature better players.

Here is the lineup Poole got most of his minutes in:

.A. Wiggins, .K. Looney, .M. Mulder, .J. Toscano-Anderson, .J. Poole

That lineup won’t be run this year, and it has nothing to do with Klay coming back. The shots and minutes just likely won’t be there for the guy without other injuries outside of Klay.

[QUOTE=GeechQuest;17717419]Oddly enough, THT averaged more minutes than Poole last year. Not that minutes matter.

Poole played roughly as many minutes as Juan Toscano-Anderson in those play-in games last season.

Forget Klay, Poole will now have to play with:

-Iggy
-Wiseman
-Otto Porter

Not only were these minutes that didn’t exist in the play-in last season, more importantly they’re shots that didn’t exist. Poole averaged 9 shots last season and those came in games that didn’t feature better players.

Here is the lineup Poole got most of his minutes in:

.A. Wiggins, .K. Looney, .M. Mulder, .J. Toscano-Anderson, .J. Poole

That lineup won’t be run this year, and it has nothing to do with Klay coming back. The shots and minutes just likely won’t be there for the guy without other injuries outside of Klay.[/QUOTE]


I gotchya. The opportunity for Poole is THIS year—not last year. He was not not much of a factor if he wasn’t starting or playing big minutes, but when he got that time last year he put up some strong numbers. Steve Kerr is wanting to start him this year, and really his biggest playing time threat is Klay who is out till January. And who knows how much they will play Klay in the reg season.

Poole’s hype has everything to do with now till January. Kerr is talking about a featured role for him and when he’s gotten that, he’s performed like a number 2 scoring threat behind Steph. If he keeps this up and cuts out a role for himself in that time, it will be the Otto Porters of the world who will sit. All the talk out of GS on Poole is that he’s about to get his chance. Still preseason and that all could change but right now, there’s a little weight to him getting an extended look in a big role.

I don't really see what Iggy/Wiseman/Otto has to do with Poole minutes or shots-wise....Wiseman is a 5, Iggy can guard 2-4 but isn't a shooter, and Otto is a 3-4. Otto is the only shooter of the bunch, but he's a spot-up/catch-and-shoot type, he doesn't create offense.

Poole will really only be contending with Wiggins for shots/creation in a 2ndary role to Steph, or while he sits. Klay won't be back before January and he will absolutely be eased back into it.

The hype is real. Posted a few things 6 hours ago and lol 18 watchers already

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Potential All star.

I absolutely cannot wait to bump this in a year when he’s relegated to the bench and nobody cares about him anymore because they realized there are 100 Jordan Pooles in the NBA

[QUOTE=daeve;17717686]I don't really see what Iggy/Wiseman/Otto has to do with Poole minutes or shots-wise....Wiseman is a 5, Iggy can guard 2-4 but isn't a shooter, and Otto is a 3-4. Otto is the only shooter of the bunch, but he's a spot-up/catch-and-shoot type, he doesn't create offense.

Poole will really only be contending with Wiggins for shots/creation in a 2ndary role to Steph, or while he sits. Klay won't be back before January and he will absolutely be eased back into it.[/QUOTE]

There’s only so many shots. Poole can get his minutes (not that he will) but these other players brought in will take his shots. Same way Steph, Wiggins, and Kelly Oubre did last year.

Here are the Top 5 shooters on GSW last year and the FG attempts a game:

Curry - 22 a game
Wiggins - 15 a game
Oubre- 13 a game
Wiseman - 9.4 a game
Poole - 9.3 a game

I suspect when the 4 guys ahead of him play, Poole shoots less because I understand how basketball works. Sure enough:

Poole had 27 games where he took more shots than his average. In 9 of those 27 games he played with Curry, Wiggins, Oubre. In 5 of those, he played with the 3 + Wiseman. Meaning Poole shoots when others sit, even though they don’t play his position. I know it’s a strange basketball concept…

So the biggest predictor of “Will Poole get shots?” was “Are Curry, Wiggins, Oubre, and Wiseman playing?”. If yes, then no he won’t.

Anybody trying to overlay Poole’s good games from last year and thinks they’ll carry over is missing context. Oubre is gone, but his shots will go to Porter and Iggy. Wiseman is back, and when he plays he takes shots away from Poole. This is before Klay even comes back.

How can Poole have a break out season when so many guys are going to get theirs up ahead of him? It makes no sense, but speculators want to speculate.

Even if he absorbs all of Oubres shots it won’t even matter. Jordan Poole shooting 13 times a game is 15-16ppg and who even cares?

Someone please figure out how I can short cards because I’d be a millionaire shorting these scrubs.

I heard turd Ferguson once scored 20 in a game and pumpers proclaimed he was the next big thing. Wonder whatever happened to him :coffee:

[QUOTE=jcardstore;17717881]I absolutely cannot wait to bump this in a year when he’s relegated to the bench and nobody cares about him anymore because they realized there are 100 Jordan Pooles in the NBA[/QUOTE]


You may be 100% correct. There may be some all-iners, but most of us here are not saying that Poole is the next big thing—just that he is likely to get an opportunity and given that opportunity in the past, he’s delivered very nice results.

[QUOTE=FT35;17718003]You may be 100% correct. There may be some all-iners, but most of us here are not saying that Poole is the next big thing—just that he is likely to get an opportunity and given that opportunity in the past, he’s delivered very nice results.[/QUOTE]

Yea like I said about Malik Monk in another thread (another Poole) I'm sure people will make money on him and there will be a very small window to do so but multiple people in this thread alone have said he has star potential which is laughable.

Poole can easily be the 3rd/4th scoring option for the Warriors. Once Klay returns, I can see them running "Splash Pool" smallball line ups with Steph/Klay/Poole which should be fun to watch.

IMO Poole's ceiling is really dependent on Klay Thompson. If Klay returns to form, then Poole will be regulated to the 6th man and play a Lou Williams type role. He has a nice shot and can score, but defense is still lacking. Still unsure of what Kuminga/Moody/Wiseman bring to the rotation too.

All Star? Probably not. But strong chance at scoring ~15 ppg and making a run at 6th Man/Most Improved Player.

Poole can easily be the 3rd/4th scoring option for the Warriors. Once Klay returns, I can see them running "Splash Pool" smallball line ups with Steph/Klay/Poole which should be fun to watch.

IMO Poole's ceiling is really dependent on Klay Thompson. If Klay returns to form, then Poole will be regulated to the 6th man and play a Lou Williams type role. He has a nice shot and can score, but defense is still lacking. Still unsure of what Kuminga/Moody/Wiseman bring to the rotation too.

All Star? Probably not. But strong chance at scoring ~15 ppg and making a run at 6th Man/Most Improved Player.

[QUOTE=GeechQuest;17717886]There’s only so many shots. Poole can get his minutes (not that he will) but these other players brought in will take his shots. Same way Steph, Wiggins, and Kelly Oubre did last year.

Here are the Top 5 shooters on GSW last year and the FG attempts a game:

Curry - 22 a game
Wiggins - 15 a game
Oubre- 13 a game
Wiseman - 9.4 a game
Poole - 9.3 a game

I suspect when the 4 guys ahead of him play, Poole shoots less because I understand how basketball works. Sure enough:

Poole had 27 games where he took more shots than his average. In 9 of those 27 games he played with Curry, Wiggins, Oubre. In 5 of those, he played with the 3 + Wiseman. Meaning Poole shoots when others sit, even though they don’t play his position. I know it’s a strange basketball concept…

So the biggest predictor of “Will Poole get shots?” was “Are Curry, Wiggins, Oubre, and Wiseman playing?”. If yes, then no he won’t.

Anybody trying to overlay Poole’s good games from last year and thinks they’ll carry over is [B]missing context.[/B] Oubre is gone, but his shots will go to Porter and Iggy. Wiseman is back, and when he plays he takes shots away from Poole. This is before Klay even comes back.

How can Poole have a break out season when so many guys are going to get theirs up ahead of him? It makes no sense, but speculators want to speculate.[/QUOTE]

lol, why are you being so hard-headed about this? You think Kerr/Curry are going to plan in the middle of games to make sure everyone is getting their same # of allotted shots as they did last season? Poole was 21 last year, do you not think young players who improve don't deserve bigger roles? This is the context you seem to be missing. Wiggins isn't a star either, if he's getting outplayed by Poole, then he'll lose some of his role. The only one who won't is Curry.

Want to avatar bet on this?

[QUOTE=daeve;17718204]lol, why are you being so hard-headed about this? You think Kerr/Curry are going to plan in the middle of games to make sure everyone is getting their same # of allotted shots as they did last season? Poole was 21 last year, do you not think young players who improve don't deserve bigger roles? This is the context you seem to be missing. Wiggins isn't a star either, if he's getting outplayed by Poole, then he'll lose some of his role. The only one who won't is Curry.

Want to avatar bet on this?[/QUOTE]

I've never had an avatar. What would the bet even be?

It's not being hard headed either, it's just how the NBA works and how the Warriors work. Every team has a Jordan Poole. We had the Divincenzo hype too on everybody waiting on him to break out, when it was obvious these tertiary guys have SMALL roles on the teams they're on and aren't given the opportunity to even break out. This happens every year with multiple guys on squads and I guess I'm just the old curmudgeon who doesn't understand it.

Poole could be the next Kobe for all I know, he won't have the opportunity this year to prove he is because the team he's on and the role he will have. Same as THT, Divincenzo, and countless others just in the past year I've seen.

Same stuff, different day. The same logic is always given "You don't think they'll improve? They're young and will be given a chance? What, players don't get better each year?"

Hell, the Warriors have these guys almost every year. Poole, Eric Paschall, Jordan Bell, Patrick McCaw. None of these guys can break through because the opportunity isn't there. You'd think NBA fans, and specifically card collectors, would have learned the game by now...

The Jordan Poole hate is strong in this thread sheesh LOL

Ah yes, because being realistic about players is "hating" on them :cry:

Jordan Poole Learning Curve?
 

I'm a local Golden State Warriors long term fan (since the 1980's). A few things about Jordan Poole going into his 3rd year:

1. Low first round draft pick out of Michigan, but demonstrated high skill, confidence, and willingness to take that killer shot in college.
2. His first year in the NBA with the Warriors when the Warriors roster was shot with injuries and departures: I personally thought that he sucked and wouldn't last in the NBA. He didn't play well, but the whole team was in shambles.
3. Didn't expect much from him in his 2nd year, and he didn't start out well. BUT, key observations from the Warriors staff was that he was the hardest working player on the team (during the offseason and continuing through the season). Then, in the 2nd half of the year, he broke out. It seems that all the hard work and learning (he is young) started to pay off. He started demonstrating the high skill and confidence that he was known for in college.
4. Now, in his 3rd year, he's built on the prior year, but appears to have taken another step forward. Again, the Warriors staff continue to say he's the hardest working player on the team. Even though only preseason, he's playing with very high skill, speed (no hesitancy), intensity, and confidence (he wants the ball and to pressure the defense). Not only that, his outside shot and driving to the rim (various types of finishes) have appeared very solid and top guard quality in terms of stats and "eye" test.

Now, let's see what he does in real games, with other teams starting to study his game and defend it better or take advantage of him on defense.

I think he will have a very solid 3rd year and will be in consideration for MIP or 6th man. Then we'll see how he continues to work and improve. From what I've seen, if he continues he can be an all-star level player by year 5 (but it's hard to make the all-star team as a guard in the West).

He will not be an "average" player.

[QUOTE=GeechQuest;17718260]I've never had an avatar. What would the bet even be?

It's not being hard headed either, it's just how the NBA works and how the Warriors work. Every team has a Jordan Poole. We had the Divincenzo hype too on everybody waiting on him to break out, when it was obvious these tertiary guys have SMALL roles on the teams they're on and aren't given the opportunity to even break out. This happens every year with multiple guys on squads and I guess I'm just the old curmudgeon who doesn't understand it.

Poole could be the next Kobe for all I know, he won't have the opportunity this year to prove he is because the team he's on and the role he will have. Same as THT, Divincenzo, and countless others just in the past year I've seen.

Same stuff, different day. The same logic is always given "You don't think they'll improve? They're young and will be given a chance? What, players don't get better each year?"

Hell, the Warriors have these guys almost every year. Poole, Eric Paschall, Jordan Bell, Patrick McCaw. None of these guys can break through because the opportunity isn't there. You'd think NBA fans, and specifically card collectors, would have learned the game by now...[/QUOTE]
Yes, there are many factors to consider, but Jordan Poole is so different than Paschall, Bell, and McCaw. Those last 3x players never demonstrated any significant improvement nor were they known for laser focus on working on their game.

[QUOTE=daeve;17718204]lol, why are you being so hard-headed about this? You think Kerr/Curry are going to plan in the middle of games to make sure everyone is getting their same # of allotted shots as they did last season? Poole was 21 last year, do you not think young players who improve don't deserve bigger roles? This is the context you seem to be missing. Wiggins isn't a star either, if he's getting outplayed by Poole, then he'll lose some of his role. The only one who won't is Curry.

Want to avatar bet on this?[/QUOTE]

Don't be surprise if Poole starts losing these minutes and therefore a reduced role. His penchant for scoring might start costing him opportunities. He had a green light last year but don't expect the same amount of freedom with new additions.


People like to dog on Wiggins but at this point of his career, he's definitely better than Poole, mainly in P&R isolations and defense.


Kerr like always, is going to rely on players who are great at reading and reacting to defensive coverages.



Avery Bradley is also a sneaky veteran that can get PT considering his value as a 2 way- low usage player.


If my eye test is correct, I see Poole having a solid NBA career. I don't see star potential in him though.

[QUOTE=jcardstore;17718317]Ah yes, because being realistic about players is "hating" on them :cry:[/QUOTE]

I feel your pain, jcardstore, and I'm a Dubs fan.

For what it's worth, I like Poole's game. But we're seeing pump levels to Bol Bol pre-season extremes lol.

[QUOTE=Dame;17719190]Don't be surprise if Poole starts losing these minutes and therefore a reduced role. His penchant for scoring might start costing him opportunities. [B]He had a green light last year but don't expect the same amount of freedom with new additions.[/B]


People like to dog on Wiggins but at this point of his career, he's definitely better than Poole, mainly in P&R isolations and defense.


Kerr like always, is going to rely on players who are great at reading and reacting to defensive coverages.



Avery Bradley is also a sneaky veteran that can get PT considering his value as a 2 way- low usage player.


If my eye test is correct, I see Poole having a solid NBA career. I don't see star potential in him though.[/QUOTE]

He still has the ultra-neon-green light. Early shot-clock 3's from Curry range to start the game. Clearly Kerr and Curry want him shooting early, and often.

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Preseason dawg

[QUOTE=Dame;17719230]Preseason dawg[/QUOTE]

Do you think they want him ingraining bad habits in the preseason? Told him 'go shoot from 30 feet early in the shot-clock now, but you better not do it in the regular season'? Or do you think they want him working on the same stuff now as they expect him to do when it matters?

[QUOTE=GeechQuest;17717886]There’s only so many shots. Poole can get his minutes (not that he will) but these other players brought in will take his shots. Same way Steph, Wiggins, and Kelly Oubre did last year.

Here are the Top 5 shooters on GSW last year and the FG attempts a game:

Curry - 22 a game
Wiggins - 15 a game
[B]Oubre- 13 a game[/B]
Wiseman - 9.4 a game
Poole - 9.3 a game

I suspect when the 4 guys ahead of him play, Poole shoots less because I understand how basketball works. Sure enough:

Poole had 27 games where he took more shots than his average. In 9 of those 27 games he played with Curry, Wiggins, Oubre. In 5 of those, he played with the 3 + Wiseman. Meaning Poole shoots when others sit, even though they don’t play his position. I know it’s a strange basketball concept…

So the biggest predictor of “Will Poole get shots?” was “Are Curry, Wiggins, Oubre, and Wiseman playing?”. If yes, then no he won’t.

Anybody trying to overlay Poole’s good games from last year and thinks they’ll carry over is missing context. Oubre is gone, but his shots will go to Porter and Iggy. Wiseman is back, and when he plays he takes shots away from Poole. This is before Klay even comes back.

How can Poole have a break out season when so many guys are going to get theirs up ahead of him? [B]It makes no sense, but speculators want to speculate[/B].[/QUOTE]

People pumping Poole also adds to the fire of speculation.

From your list above, the Dubs only lost Oubre from the team (and Wiseman mid-season).

Klay returns mid-season to eat up a bunch of FGAs.
Dubs added a bunch of solid Veterans (e.g., Bjelica, Bradley, Iguodala, Porter), each who'll eat up some FGAs every game.

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Dubs really struggled with injuries last year and were forced to play an 8-man rotation in the play-in game (which pretty much reflects their lineup in the latter half of the season +/- a couple players). I'm basically trying to emphasize the point that the Dubs had limited scoring options (due to injuries) and were forced to rely on the healthy players to do more. Going into this season, the Dubs have health (aside from Klay) and depth at each position. Not saying I see a significant drop-off in Poole's production but I also don't see a significant increase in it either. And once Klay returns, Poole will be the 4th (at best) scoring option for the Dubs yet he's being valued like the 1st/2nd.

[B]By the way, not disagreeing with you, Geech. Just adding some reasons why I agree with you haha.[/B]

[QUOTE=pharmboymatt;17719285]Do you think they want him ingraining bad habits in the preseason? Told him 'go shoot from 30 feet early in the shot-clock now, but you better not do it in the regular season'? Or do you think they want him working on the same stuff now as they expect him to do when it matters?[/QUOTE]

They don't care who does what in the preseason. Poole could jack a shot from half court and they'd laugh. Nobody cares. Preseason is for conditioning.

[QUOTE=eastbayak;17719297]People pumping Poole also adds to the fire of speculation.

From your list above, the Dubs only lost Oubre from the team (and Wiseman mid-season).

Klay returns mid-season to eat up a bunch of FGAs.
Dubs added a bunch of solid Veterans (e.g., Bjelica, Bradley, Iguodala, Porter), each who'll eat up some FGAs every game.

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Dubs really struggled with injuries last year and were forced to play an 8-man rotation in the play-in game (which pretty much reflects their lineup in the latter half of the season +/- a couple players). I'm basically trying to emphasize the point that the Dubs had limited scoring options (due to injuries) and were forced to rely on the healthy players to do more. Going into this season, the Dubs have health (aside from Klay) and depth at each position. Not saying I see a significant drop-off in Poole's production but I also don't see a significant increase in it either. And once Klay returns, Poole will be the 4th (at best) scoring option for the Dubs yet he's being valued like the 1st/2nd.

[B]By the way, not disagreeing with you, Geech. Just adding some reasons why I agree with you haha.[/B][/QUOTE]

I could be wrong. I even said Poole could be the next Kobe down the line. Anything is possible.

I just don't see the opportunity. They wouldn't have drafted Moody and brought in Iggy/Otto if they weren't planning on playing Wiggins more at the SG position. Even a lineup of:

Steph
Poole
Wiggins
Porter
Dray

Leaves Poole as the 3rd guy. I imagine they'll run Wiggins at the 2, Otto at SF, Dray at PF, and Wiseman at Center most of the time and that's going to be their starting lineup most of the season until Klay returns.


That's just my read on it, I could be wrong.