The Worst PSA Failure Yet? (Another Recolored PSA 6 PWCC/Moser 1948 Leaf Jackie)
 

I was casually browsing PWCC's sales history of 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson cards tonight and came across the PSA 6 below. Wondering what happened to Jackie's face, I went to look for what the card looked like before the arts and crafts session. Behold I found the same card except with "an area of surface wear to Jackie's left cheek". Not exactly sure how you can totally replace Jackie's cheek and get the card past PSA, but here we are.

[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1180980[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1379530[/url]

No red boxes necessary on this one.

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The Worst PSA Failure Yet? (Another Recolored PSA 6 PWCC/Moser 1948 Leaf Jackie)
 

F@*k! Just leave these works of art alone you greedy bastards!


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[SIZE="5"]"[B]Never[/B] get cheated"
[/SIZE]

Reminds me of the "grass" added on the '33 Ruth below:
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At least it's [I]kind of[/I] the right color.

[QUOTE=pip;16560915]At least it's [I]kind of[/I] the right color.[/QUOTE]

And here is the submission/cert run for that work of art. Anyone who has a card matching any of these cards might want to take a really close look at the card. This is a submission that was known to have been submitted by Brent Huigens for/with Gary Moser.

26219420 1910 E93 Standard Caramel Cy Young PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219421 1933 Goudey Sport Kings Babe Ruth #2 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219422 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219423 1948 Swell Sports Thrills Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #3 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219424 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219425
26219426 1948 Leaf Babe Ruth #3 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
26219427 1948 Leaf Football Chuck Bednarik ROOKIE RC #54 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219428 1948 Leaf Football Sammy Baugh ROOKIE RC #34 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC)
26219429 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219430 1950 Bowman Football Otto Graham ROOKIE RC #45 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC)
26219431 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219432 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219433 1952 Bowman Mickey Mantle #101 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219434
26219435 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219436
26219437 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219438 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)
26219439 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219440 1953 Bowman Color Stan Musial #32 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC-HE)
26219441 1953 Bowman Color Whitey Ford #153 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219442 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
26219443 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219444 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219445 1954 Topps Al Kaline ROOKIE RC #201 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219446 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219447
26219448 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax ROOKIE RC #123 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC-HE)
26219449 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax ROOKIE RC #123 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219450 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC-HE)
26219451 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219452 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)
26219453 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219454 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219455 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219456 1956 Topps Mickey Mantle #135 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219457
26219458 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219459
26219460
26219461 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219462 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 5 EX (PWCC)
26219463 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219464 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219465 1960 Topps Mickey Mantle ALL-STAR #563 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC-HE)
26219466 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219467 1964 Topps Pete Rose #125 PSA 7.5 NRMT+ (PWCC-HE)
26219468 1969 Topps Mickey Mantle LAST NAME IN WHITE #500 PSA 7.5 NRMT+ (PWCC)
26219469 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219470 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219471 Altered, Min Size or Miscut

That's a fine submission. I wonder how many cards on that mess of an invoice have never been worked over. 2? 3? Zero?

[QUOTE=CaptSpaulding;16560926]And here is the submission/cert run for that work of art. Anyone who has a card matching any of these cards might want to take a really close look at the card. This is a submission that was known to have been submitted by Brent Huigens for/with Gary Moser.

26219420 1910 E93 Standard Caramel Cy Young PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219421 1933 Goudey Sport Kings Babe Ruth #2 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219422 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219423 1948 Swell Sports Thrills Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #3 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219424 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219425
26219426 1948 Leaf Babe Ruth #3 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
26219427 1948 Leaf Football Chuck Bednarik ROOKIE RC #54 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219428 1948 Leaf Football Sammy Baugh ROOKIE RC #34 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC)
26219429 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219430 1950 Bowman Football Otto Graham ROOKIE RC #45 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC)
26219431 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219432 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219433 1952 Bowman Mickey Mantle #101 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219434
26219435 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219436
26219437 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219438 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)
26219439 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219440 1953 Bowman Color Stan Musial #32 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC-HE)
26219441 1953 Bowman Color Whitey Ford #153 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219442 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
26219443 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219444 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219445 1954 Topps Al Kaline ROOKIE RC #201 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219446 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219447
26219448 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax ROOKIE RC #123 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC-HE)
26219449 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax ROOKIE RC #123 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219450 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC-HE)
26219451 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219452 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)
26219453 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219454 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219455 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219456 1956 Topps Mickey Mantle #135 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219457
26219458 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219459
26219460
26219461 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219462 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 5 EX (PWCC)
26219463 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219464 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219465 1960 Topps Mickey Mantle ALL-STAR #563 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC-HE)
26219466 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219467 1964 Topps Pete Rose #125 PSA 7.5 NRMT+ (PWCC-HE)
26219468 1969 Topps Mickey Mantle LAST NAME IN WHITE #500 PSA 7.5 NRMT+ (PWCC)
26219469 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219470 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219471 Altered, Min Size or Miscut[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=pip;16560953]That's a fine submission. I wonder how many cards on that mess of an invoice have never been worked over. 2? 3? Zero?[/QUOTE]

SGC is one step ahead going with random certification numbers! How long before Joe "[B]Never[/B] [I]Get Cheated[/I]" Orlando follows suit?

[QUOTE=CaptSpaulding;16560926]And here is the submission/cert run for that work of art. Anyone who has a card matching any of these cards might want to take a really close look at the card. This is a submission that was known to have been submitted by Brent Huigens for/with Gary Moser.


[B]26219430 1950 Bowman Football Otto Graham ROOKIE RC #45 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC)

26219438 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)

26219441 1953 Bowman Color Whitey Ford #153 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)

26219443 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)

26219445 1954 Topps Al Kaline ROOKIE RC #201 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)

26219452 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)[/B][/QUOTE]

Wow, that's some expensive cardboard....

"Easily among the best PRESERVED copies we've seen in our history."

And just look at all the missing cert numbers in that run. How many failures does it take on one submission to get the entire thing pulled and the submitter banned for life?

[QUOTE=mjohnatgt;16561051]And just look at all the missing cert numbers in that run. How many failures does it take on one submission to get the entire thing pulled and the submitter banned for life?[/QUOTE]

...that's exactly what I was wondering.

[B]F'in PATHETIC.[/B]

[QUOTE=CaptSpaulding;16560926]And here is the submission/cert run for that work of art. Anyone who has a card matching any of these cards might want to take a really close look at the card. This is a submission that was known to have been submitted by Brent Huigens for/with Gary Moser.

26219420 1910 E93 Standard Caramel Cy Young PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219421 1933 Goudey Sport Kings Babe Ruth #2 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219422 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219423 1948 Swell Sports Thrills Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #3 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219424 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219425
26219426 1948 Leaf Babe Ruth #3 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
26219427 1948 Leaf Football Chuck Bednarik ROOKIE RC #54 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219428 1948 Leaf Football Sammy Baugh ROOKIE RC #34 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC)
26219429 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219430 1950 Bowman Football Otto Graham ROOKIE RC #45 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC)
26219431 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219432 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219433 1952 Bowman Mickey Mantle #101 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219434
26219435 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219436
26219437 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219438 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)
26219439 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219440 1953 Bowman Color Stan Musial #32 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC-HE)
26219441 1953 Bowman Color Whitey Ford #153 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219442 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
26219443 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219444 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219445 1954 Topps Al Kaline ROOKIE RC #201 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219446 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219447
26219448 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax ROOKIE RC #123 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC-HE)
26219449 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax ROOKIE RC #123 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219450 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC-HE)
26219451 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219452 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)
26219453 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219454 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219455 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219456 1956 Topps Mickey Mantle #135 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219457
26219458 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219459
26219460
26219461 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219462 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 5 EX (PWCC)
26219463 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219464 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219465 1960 Topps Mickey Mantle ALL-STAR #563 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC-HE)
26219466 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219467 1964 Topps Pete Rose #125 PSA 7.5 NRMT+ (PWCC-HE)
26219468 1969 Topps Mickey Mantle LAST NAME IN WHITE #500 PSA 7.5 NRMT+ (PWCC)
26219469 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219470 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219471 Altered, Min Size or Miscut[/QUOTE]

So about a 1/3 or the cards in that submission are altered and that didn’t raise any flags about the rest of them?

Corndog found a trimmed Otto Graham from this corrupt submission last summer:

[QUOTE=corndog;14734257][B][COLOR="Navy"][SIZE="5"]PSA Cert #26219430[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]

[B]1950 Bowman Football Otto Graham RC #45 [/B]

[B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="5"]Value gain of $12,124.99[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]

This card was purchased by [B]whitman111 (Gary Moser)[/B] from [B]PWCC[/B] as a [B][COLOR="Red"]PSA-8[/COLOR][/B] on April 24, 2016 for [COLOR="Red"][B]$2,025.01[/B][/COLOR]. PWCC Marketplace link: [URL="https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1270266"]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1270266[/URL]
Same card was [B]sold by PWCC[/B] as a[B][COLOR="Red"] PSA-9 [/COLOR][/B]for [B][COLOR="Red"]$14,150.00[/COLOR][/B] on December 14, 2016. PWCC Marketplace link: [URL="https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1397299"]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1397299[/URL]

Yellow circles are fiber or print mark identifiers.
Red squares identify the trimmed right edge.

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[IMG]https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/9/0/4/2/5/webimg/1029964725_o.jpg[/IMG][IMG]https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/9/0/4/2/5/webimg/1029964738_o.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=mjohnatgt;16561051] How many failures does it take on one submission to get the entire thing pulled and the submitter banned for life?[/QUOTE]

PSA is concerned with their bottom line - not making the world a better place. I’m sure they could care less ..... ( at least we care / I care )

[QUOTE=pip;16560953]That's a fine submission. I wonder how many cards on that mess of an invoice have never been worked over. 2? 3? Zero?[/QUOTE]I thought about it some more. Going to go with zero.

Grabbing some coffee and waiting for the PSA apologists to explain this away.


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[QUOTE=CaptSpaulding;16560926]And here is the submission/cert run for that work of art. Anyone who has a card matching any of these cards might want to take a really close look at the card. This is a submission that was known to have been submitted by Brent Huigens for/with Gary Moser.

26219420 1910 E93 Standard Caramel Cy Young PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219421 1933 Goudey Sport Kings Babe Ruth #2 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219422 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219423 1948 Swell Sports Thrills Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #3 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219424 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219425
26219426 1948 Leaf Babe Ruth #3 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
26219427 1948 Leaf Football Chuck Bednarik ROOKIE RC #54 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219428 1948 Leaf Football Sammy Baugh ROOKIE RC #34 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC)
26219429 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson ROOKIE RC #79 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219430 1950 Bowman Football Otto Graham ROOKIE RC #45 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC)
26219431 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219432 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219433 1952 Bowman Mickey Mantle #101 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219434
26219435 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219436
26219437 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC)
26219438 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle SHORT PRINT #82 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)
26219439 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219440 1953 Bowman Color Stan Musial #32 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC-HE)
26219441 1953 Bowman Color Whitey Ford #153 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219442 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
26219443 1954 Topps Hank Aaron ROOKIE RC #128 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219444 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219445 1954 Topps Al Kaline ROOKIE RC #201 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
26219446 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219447
26219448 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax ROOKIE RC #123 PSA 4 VGEX (PWCC-HE)
26219449 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax ROOKIE RC #123 PSA 5 EX (PWCC-HE)
26219450 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC-HE)
26219451 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219452 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente ROOKIE RC #164 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC-HE)
26219453 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219454 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219455 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219456 1956 Topps Mickey Mantle #135 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219457
26219458 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219459
26219460
26219461 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219462 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 5 EX (PWCC)
26219463 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219464 1959 Topps Mickey Mantle #10 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
26219465 1960 Topps Mickey Mantle ALL-STAR #563 PSA 9 MINT (PWCC-HE)
26219466 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219467 1964 Topps Pete Rose #125 PSA 7.5 NRMT+ (PWCC-HE)
26219468 1969 Topps Mickey Mantle LAST NAME IN WHITE #500 PSA 7.5 NRMT+ (PWCC)
26219469 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219470 Altered, Min Size or Miscut
26219471 Altered, Min Size or Miscut[/QUOTE]

Out of the 28 cards that were given numerical grades by the professionals at PSA,
ten were given extra special stickers by Mr. Brent Huigens.
I believe that he has stated that the extra special stickers were given out randomly and that the consigners were unknown to him.

You can't make this stuff up....

[QUOTE=corndog;16561557]Out of the 28 cards that were given numerical grades by the professionals at PSA,
ten were given extra special stickers by Mr. Brent Huigens.
I believe that he has stated that the extra special stickers were given out randomly and that the consigners were unknown to him.

You can't make this stuff up....[/QUOTE]Seems perfectly legit.

[QUOTE=mjohnatgt;16561051]And just look at all the missing cert numbers in that run.[/QUOTE]

Oh those cards? Those he probably sent over to Dave for special treatment at SGC. :)!

I have to believe that Gary and Brent were working closely together. For instance, PWCC would set up a bidding account with another auction service and Gary would do the actual bidding. Then, Gary would arrange for the winning lots to be sent to him instead of PWCC. When Gary finished molesting all the cards, they would be submitted by PWCC to PSA and there would be some type of profit sharing agreement.

[QUOTE=5CentWaxPack;16561621]Oh those cards? Those he probably sent over to Dave for special treatment at SGC. :)![/QUOTE]I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but that's exactly what probably happened. The few cards that were rejected by SGC were probably then sent to Beckett or sold raw with some kind of truth-defying "aw shucks" auction description.

I'd love to see some of these "bigshots" busted.

[QUOTE=LVDan;16561389]Grabbing some coffee and waiting for the PSA apologists to explain this away.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]How many times have you had to pee? You could be waiting awhile.

What a beautiful 3.5.

Arthur

Guys what's the big fuss about? I mean this happened back in 2015 or 2016. This kinda stuff cannot be happening any longer with PWCC. In fact I bet Brent bought back every card listed there--even the ones that came back altered in this sub that eventually graded. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=HarryLime;16561687]What a beautiful 3.5.

Arthur[/QUOTE]I don't agree. To my eye, it looks like three of the corners on the SGC card were artificially lightened. I think the card was molested at least twice. Once before it was submitted to SGC and then again before it went to PSA.

[QUOTE=mjohnatgt;16561051]And just look at all the missing cert numbers in that run. How many failures does it take on one submission to get the entire thing pulled and the submitter banned for life?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, with so many cards identified as altered, it's crazy to think PSA (any TPG) would allow orders like these to process.

[QUOTE=auburn35;16561727]Yeah, with so many cards identified as altered, it's crazy to think PSA (any TPG) would allow orders like these to process.[/QUOTE]

Subs like this just show how badly they want to holder stuff...for certain people. Posted this before but none of the TPG's opinions are worth #@#@#@#@ because all 3 of them are severely compromised from the top on down and they are the problem. They are the ones we pay and are supposed to rely on for their assurance the card is not only graded accurately but that art projects do not get holdered.

[QUOTE=CaptSpaulding;16561840]Subs like this just show how badly they want to holder stuff...for certain people. Posted this before but none of the TPG's opinions are worth #@#@#@#@ because all 3 of them are severely compromised from the top on down and they are the problem. They are the ones we pay and are supposed to rely on for their assurance the card is not only graded accurately but that art projects do not get holdered.[/QUOTE]

I still contend that if the average guy sends in a sub with altered cards, most of the time they will spot them easily. PSA and SGC anyhow.

[QUOTE=LVDan;16561389]Grabbing some coffee and waiting for the PSA apologists to explain this away.


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I was wondering the same thing. I make a thread about off center PSA cards and every PSA bootlicker is in the thread giving me a hard time.

Now this appears and no one has anything to say?

I wonder where they all went?

I am all ears if they can explain this card. I am willing to listen.

Jackie looks like he is wearing makeup.

[QUOTE=cking;16562102][B]I was wondering the same thing. I make a thread about off center PSA cards and every PSA bootlicker is in the thread giving me a hard time.[/B]

Now this appears and no one has anything to say?

I wonder where they all went?

I am all ears if they can explain this card. I am willing to listen.

Jackie looks like he is wearing makeup.[/QUOTE]Exactly right. I've seen just about every type of defect justified on a PSA 10. Even significant corner wear. PSA has done a remarkable job at deluding the current class of collectors. PSA wants us to buy the label, not the card and has become astonishingly successful at it.

[QUOTE=pspa123;16562057]I still contend that if the average guy sends in a sub with altered cards, most of the time they will spot them easily. PSA and SGC anyhow.[/QUOTE]

Well of course...each of the 3 companies have their own way of doing it but we have said countless times that it is who submits not what is submitted which is why all 3 of their opinions mean nothing but collectors are willing to pony up.

[QUOTE=cking;16562102]I was wondering the same thing. I make a thread about off center PSA cards and every PSA bootlicker is in the thread giving me a hard time.

Now this appears and no one has anything to say?

I wonder where they all went?

I am all ears if they can explain this card. I am willing to listen.

Jackie looks like he is wearing makeup.[/QUOTE]

No different than when When It Was A Game was caught resealing holders. Every loser who felt like they had a collection to protect defended PSA.

[QUOTE=pip;16561660]I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but that's exactly what probably happened. The few cards that were rejected by SGC were probably then sent to Beckett or sold raw with some kind of truth-defying "aw shucks" auction description.[/QUOTE]

No. That was my disgusted font. Read over the 52 Mick thread and saw plenty of projects in SGC slabs that do not look like they should have been given anything but the A so it is obvious to me how this works for creeps like PWCC.

[QUOTE=5CentWaxPack;16562478]No. That was my disgusted font. Read over the 52 Mick thread and saw plenty of projects in SGC slabs that do not look like they should have been given anything but the A so it is obvious to me how this works for creeps like PWCC.[/QUOTE]Ok. We're on the same page then.

[QUOTE=LVDan;16561389]Grabbing some coffee and waiting for the PSA apologists to explain this away.


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It’s both PSA’s and PWCC’s mission to “increase the value of cards”.

All else, including integrity, don’t really matter.

Obviously they’re both going to try to fulfill their mission statement by any means possible. What we’re seeing here is just some of the wreckage left in their wake.

Given what they’re doing to these beauties, surely there’s plenty of other wreckage - corrupt wreckage - we haven’t seen yet or couldn’t imagine.

[QUOTE=pip;16562120]Exactly right. I've seen just about every type of defect justified on a PSA 10. Even significant corner wear. PSA has done a remarkable job at deluding the current class of collectors. PSA wants us to buy the label, not the card and has become astonishingly successful at it.[/QUOTE]


That’s because their marketing team is likely posing as regular collectors. Probably working in conjunction with PWCC’s marketing team.

[QUOTE=pspa123;16562057]I still contend that if the average guy sends in a sub with altered cards, most of the time they will spot them easily. PSA and SGC anyhow.[/QUOTE]

Probably moreso. You need to balance the pop report out with caught altered cards. This gives some cover that they are doing what they are supposed to.

[QUOTE=pip;16562120]Exactly right. I've seen just about every type of defect justified on a PSA 10. Even significant corner wear. PSA has done a remarkable job at deluding the current class of collectors. PSA wants us to buy the label, not the card and has become astonishingly successful at it.[/QUOTE]

But...but....PSA says

I am still awaiting some responses from the PSA crew trying to justify this card.

Seems like everyone runs and hides when PSA screws up.

[QUOTE=cking;16563287]But...but....PSA says

I am still awaiting some responses from the PSA crew trying to justify this card.

Seems like everyone runs and hides when PSA screws up.[/QUOTE]


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[QUOTE=cking;16563287]But...but....PSA says

I am still awaiting some responses from the PSA crew trying to justify this card.

Seems like everyone runs and hides when PSA screws up.[/QUOTE]

At $64 a share, up from $15 earlier in the year, do they really need anyone to justify anything?

[QUOTE=pspa123;16563550]At $64 a share, up from $15 earlier in the year, do they really need anyone to justify anything?[/QUOTE]It depends how much Lichtman can redirect the investigators in PSA's direction.

[QUOTE=cking;16562102]I was wondering the same thing. [B]I make a thread about off center PSA cards and every PSA bootlicker is in the thread giving me a hard time.[/B]
Now this appears and no one has anything to say?

I wonder where they all went?

I am all ears if they can explain this card. I am willing to listen.

Jackie looks like he is wearing makeup.[/QUOTE]


I did this in the basketball section a bit ago on high end rookie Jordan's.

the psa sheeple tried to annihilate me.

Pitiful. Joke of a company.

[QUOTE=vintg;16563602]I did this in the basketball section a bit ago on high end rookie Jordan's.

the psa sheeple tried to annihilate me.[/QUOTE]


Well, they did work hard to give slabs value.

I guess they’re worried it would be easy to remove that value if they didn’t attack anyone who challenged their work.

Ah, the slab lobby...

It is all about marketshare with PSA. It appears, putting a monetary guarantee aside, they have no incentive NOT to put as many cards as they possibly can in their holders. On subject of ALTERED vintage cards with NUMERICAL GRADES attached on subject label, who wants to re-submit to another company to loose the numerical grade? When is the last time someone exercised PSA's guarantee successfully on a high dollar vintage card?

Just keep submitting the altered cards.

They will pass muster sooner or later

[QUOTE=HarryLime;16561687]What a beautiful 3.5.

Arthur[/QUOTE]

I agree. given the choice I would prefer the 3.5 over the somewhat less vibrant 6. Looks dull. They gave it some kind of bath. Too bad. Are these remnants of doctors from years past or Im guessing they are still active. I have to ask but does anybody know of the authorities looking into this?

[QUOTE=unclemonkey;16564586]Just keep submitting the altered cards.

They will pass muster sooner or later[/QUOTE]

And that way, PSA gets to keep making money with every "attempt". :)!

[QUOTE=MoreToppsPlease;16562541]That’s because their marketing team is likely posing as regular collectors. Probably working in conjunction with PWCC’s marketing team.[/QUOTE]

Is Officer Brusokas still alive? If so, I hope he is not alone in his quest to piece together all of these corrupt puzzle pieces.

This will take a village.

Problem is, no one cares.

Still see people all over this board that are "in the know" of these practices that continue to push PSA, submit cards in bulk and post "does this look like a 10?" all day.

If there is money to be made, it appears ignorance is truly bliss.

[QUOTE=notoriousrmb;16565575]Problem is, no one cares.

Still see people all over this board that are "in the know" of these practices that continue to push PSA, submit cards in bulk and post "does this look like a 10?" all day.

If there is money to be made, it appears ignorance is truly bliss.[/QUOTE]

Yes and I think at the end of the day that has to be one of the reasons why it is an uphill battle for the FBI to convince prosecutors to move forward...assuming they are not, which I am not privy to.

Who is a victim here? Seems to me the hobby feels guys like Brent and companies like PSA are providing a much needed and accepted service. I look at the Pick Up threads on various chat boards and from guys who should know much better, I see countless altered cards in slabs being shown off...5 and 6 figure cards. All ya can do is shake your head.

As long as PSA is around and thriving collectors of PSA graded cards will look the other way. Same is true for SGC and Beckett. The day word gets out one of them is going under will be the day the authenticity of what is actually in that holder will matter. Until then, spend spend spend.

[QUOTE=notoriousrmb;16565575]
If there is money to be made, it appears ignorance is truly bliss.[/QUOTE]

Turning the blind eye.

PSA grades cards blindfolded so it seems they have something in common with the PSA zombies.

[QUOTE=notoriousrmb;16565575]If there is money to be made, it appears ignorance is truly bliss.[/QUOTE]

Corollary: if there’s money to be made, fight everyone and anything who’d get in your way making it, including the truth.

I truly feel like PSA is an unstoppable machine and no matter what malfeasance is committed, they will remain relatively unblemished.

[QUOTE=blackbears86;16567531]I truly feel like PSA is an unstoppable machine and no matter what malfeasance is committed, they will remain relatively unblemished.[/QUOTE]

Yah. They just ignored or minimized the whole thing and it worked. The ostrich playbook.

[QUOTE=pspa123;16567756]Yah. They just ignored or minimized the whole thing and it worked. The ostrich playbook.[/QUOTE]

PSA is just giving their base what they want. You think the Set Registry guys want PSA acknowledging there is a problem? Deny and deflect.

[IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/oFQAAOSw8JRfljUl/s-l800.jpg[/IMG]

[URL="https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=290964"]https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=290964[/URL]

[QUOTE=mjohnatgt;16582793][IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/oFQAAOSw8JRfljUl/s-l800.jpg[/IMG]

[URL="https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=290964"]https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=290964[/URL][/QUOTE]Don't even need to look at the commentary. That's a modern reprint.

[QUOTE=mjohnatgt;16582793][IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/oFQAAOSw8JRfljUl/s-l800.jpg[/IMG]

[URL="https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=290964"]https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=290964[/URL][/QUOTE]

Wow that is just embarrassing for PSA. Sure mistakes happen but this should never ever get through. Their stock price could go up $2 if word gets out about this.

[QUOTE=mjohnatgt;16582793][IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/oFQAAOSw8JRfljUl/s-l800.jpg[/IMG]

[URL="https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=290964"]https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=290964[/URL][/QUOTE]

So far the information in the PSA cert database does not say reprint.

[QUOTE=corndog;16584270]So far the information in the PSA cert database does not say reprint.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I screenshotted it over on Net54 for anyone who might have thought it was a fake flip...

The Connie Mack deserves it's own thread. Not enough people will see this abomination buried at the tail-end of this thread.

[QUOTE=mjohnatgt;16582793][IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/oFQAAOSw8JRfljUl/s-l800.jpg[/IMG]

[URL="https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=290964"]https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=290964[/URL][/QUOTE]

PSA pls. WTF.

[QUOTE=Pink Pussycat;16584976]The Connie Mack deserves it's own thread. Not enough people will see this abomination buried at the tail-end of this thread.[/QUOTE]

In the works:)!

[QUOTE=mjohnatgt;16582793][IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/oFQAAOSw8JRfljUl/s-l800.jpg[/IMG]
[/QUOTE]

Congrats Joe Orlando your now slabbing fakes as authentic!

[QUOTE=corndog;16584270]So far the information in the PSA cert database does not say reprint.[/QUOTE]

Nor does 00000001 say AUTHENTIC. People keep making excuses for the Wagner Gretzky being a NM-MT 8 [I]exception[/I] when it is a sheet cut card thats is diminishing the value of pack drawn examples.

2020: You think the Jackie is the Worst failure? HA!

The new PWCC is previewing this monstrosity for its May catalog auction.

[url]https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1948-49-leaf-jackie-robinson-79-psa-ex-mt-6/p/50041-164012.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515[/url]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/12gBo07.png[/IMG]

Time for another placid PSA re-certification?
 

My favorite sentence from the description:

"Hall of Famer Robinson endured beanballs, and vicious spikes along with racial insults in order to endure."

So at least they're being consistent. Can't write. Can't identify altered cards.

To their credit, though, at least they didn't try to actually describe the card.

[QUOTE=mjohnatgt;16561051]And just look at all the missing cert numbers in that run. How many failures does it take on one submission to get the entire thing pulled and the submitter banned for life?[/QUOTE]

This is my biggest problem with psa right now. I understand that mistakes happen but PSA just willingly continues to accept submission from known card doctors. I understand that the card doctors would start submitting with other routes but to do nothing is irresponsible at best. I also believe that PSA should have a monthly or weekly publication with what submissions met a certia threshold off altered cards they were caught. Like every submission with more than three cards identified as altered is automatically outed to the card community. That would put a lote more pressure on those submitting altered cards and would make auction houses and consignement services that submit for clients as well as large sub groups think closely before working with guys that are known for card doctoring. those things would far from eliminate the problem but at least it would show some sort of semblance of effort and responisibility on psa's part.

[QUOTE=pip;17115927]My favorite sentence from the description:

"Hall of Famer Robinson endured beanballs, and vicious spikes along with racial insults in order to endure."

So at least they're being consistent. Can't write. Can't identify altered cards.

To their credit, though, at least they didn't try to actually describe the card.[/QUOTE]


“This Robinson card endured razor blades, and vicious bleaching agents along with wrinkle pressing in order to endure.”

[QUOTE=MoreToppsPlease;17115954]“This Robinson card endured razor blades, and vicious bleaching agents along with wrinkle pressing in order to endure.”[/QUOTE]

Best comment i have seen in three years on this forum. well done

Same halftone pattern. Same color. Uncanny. It's almost as if they got ahold of the original printing plates and printing press that Leaf used in 1949. The entire hobby is in grave danger with this type of calculated precision in baseball card alteration:

[IMG]https://www.blowoutforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=503929&stc=1&d=1615868336[/IMG]

[QUOTE=MoreToppsPlease;17115954]“This Robinson card endured razor blades, and vicious bleaching agents along with wrinkle pressing in order to endure.”[/QUOTE]

Bravo