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Evan Mathis Trimming Anything and Everything to Sell via Probstein, PWCC, & COMC

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[B]Names:[/B] Evan Mathis, Adam Mathis (brother)

[B]Associates: [/B]Chad Thyzel (ebay ID: legendsandlegacies, formerly superiorsports), Jason Koonce, Rick Mcgehee (fictitious alias?), Rick Probstein (Probstein123), Brent Huigens (PWCC), COMC, Sean Bassik (investinbaseball)

[B]Known eBay Accounts:[/B]
[B]cardology[/B] (o***o on all platforms)
[B]cardquest12 [/B](u***r on eBay old, t***a on eBay new)
[B]acme.cards[/B] (s***s on eBay old, a***m on eBay new and VCP)
[B]quest4cards12[/B] (c***q on eBay old, 2***a on eBay new)
[B]Unknown ID[/B] Coded as t***q (purple star)
[B]no.bids.all.bins[/B]

[B]Known COMC accounts:[/B]
[B]StorageUnitFinds[/B]
[B]DiamondGems[/B]

Sells via [B]PWCC[/B], [B]Probstein[/B], [B]COMC[/B], and eBay account [B]cardology[/B]. Has formerly sold cards via [B]investinbaseball[/B], eBay account [B]acme.cards[/B], and likely eBay account [B]otiasports[/B] previously known as [B]worldwideinvestments[/B] (Jason Koonce). At the very least, he currently has BIN listings for sale with Probstein and he has been consigning cards to PWCC though at least August, months after Brent outed him as a card trimmer to other(s).

[B]Past shipping information:[/B]
2018 sale to acme.cards (this is Mathis's home address per Williamson County property records):
[email]acmeamericana@gmail.com[/email]
Buyer: Rick Mcgehee
Address: Windy Wood
XXXX Manley Ln
Brentwood, TN 37027-5532

2016 sale to acme.cards:
[email]acmeamericana@gmail.com[/email]
Chad Thyzel
Address: PO Box XXXXXX
Temecula, CA 92589-1780

[B]Email addresses:[/B]
[email]ergoism@gmail.com[/email]
[email]evan@cardology.com[/email]
[email]acmeamericana@gmail.com[/email]

In addition to trimming a wide array of vintage cards, he also trims a ton of 90's Michael Jordan inserts (as confirmed independently and by an friend/associate of Brent Huigens), Ken Griffey Jr. rookies and inserts (a tip about a tiny PSA 10 UD Griffey Rookie was what spurred this investigation), Trout Update rookies by the dozen, Brady rookies (primarily Bowman, Press Pass, and Skybox), Bonds rookies (especially Traded and Traded Tiffany), Jeter rookies, and a slew of lower end inserts.

It appears that he began his new job as a card trimmer immediately upon retiring from the NFL in late January of 2017.

Here's the feedback he (or his brother) left from the quest4cards12 around this same time for an 18" paper trimmer:
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/txr91lW.png?1[/IMG]
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191220002941/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&userid=11xopt40&iid=-1&de=off&interval=0&searchInterval=30&items=200&searchInterval=30[/url]

He also has a website where he spams eBay listings from PWCC, Greg Morris, Probstein, and 4SC:
[url]https://www.cardbuff.com/[/url] ([URL="evanmathis.com"]evanmathis.com[/URL] redirects there as well)
Archive: [url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219202310/https://www.cardbuff.com/[/url]

[B]Additional reading: [/B]
Evan Mathis playing poker with "good friend" Jason Koonce: [url]https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/01/retired-nfl-offensive-lineman-evan-mathis-pca-33100.htm[/url]
"Sell your collection to Super Bowl 50 Champion Evan Mathis at the 2018 NSCC" from Sean Bassik of investinbaseball: [url]http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=257961[/url]
His site, cardbuff.com, sending unsolicited spam email to members of Net54 and CU forums: [url]http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=251048[/url] [url]https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/994338/cardbuff-com[/url]
PSA Collector Profile of Evan Mathis: [url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219202821/https://www.psacard.com/articles/articleview/8378/collector-profile-evan-mathis-curator-miniature-museum[/url]

Now, on to the cards....

All of the following were purchased untrimmed by cardology and later sold by PWCC. Other cards in the PSA subs were sold by Probstein and/or acme.cards:

[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219212021/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=mag-neat-o&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&searchInterval=30&mPg=52&page=23[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1971-topps-thurman-munson-all-star-1866624382[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1559111[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/ZjOXJTI.jpg[/IMG]

[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219205536/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=shett&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&ftabfocus=true&searchInterval=30[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1949-bowman-60-yogi-berra-nm-psa-1860113305[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1485889[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/hqdl4pK.png[/IMG]

This is a fun one because Mathis (cardology) purchased it as a PSA 8, trimmed the top edge, and sold it as a PSA 9. Gary Moser than purchased it as a PSA 9, trimmed/shaved the bottom edge, and then sold it as a PSA 10. Corndog already called out the 9 to 10 (Link: [url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpost.php?p=14772502&postcount=3080[/url]), so I'll just focus on the 8 to 9 trimming below.
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219233626/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=rockmonstercards&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&searchInterval=30&mPg=14&page=5[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1965-topps-al-rbi-leaders-mantle-1866961344[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1574718[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/2TEgVsx.png[/IMG]

[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219205416/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=popparox&iid=-1&de=off&searchInterval=30&items=200&searchInterval=30[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1965-topps-steve-carlton-477-psa-5-nm-1866964378[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1603450[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/FYvn7q4.png[/IMG]

[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191220001819/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=debbyfla6ug9&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&searchInterval=30&mPg=6&page=3[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1986-fleer-michael-jordan-rookie-psa-1860113345[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1503241[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/O0v3pAW.png[/IMG]

This was purchased raw by cardquest12, trimmed, and sold by Probstein for a whole $26:
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219215021/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=daddycooldave4&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&searchInterval=30&mPg=3&page=1[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/2017-18-panini-court-kings-josh-hart-1956082715[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/2017-panini-court-kings-fresh-paint-2017915683[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/yIjACpY.png[/IMG]

I cant tell if this was was altered more to go from a PSA Auth Altered to a PSA 4, but I'm posting it anyway since Mathis purchased it as altered, submitted it to PSA, and sold it as a PSA 4.
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219234136/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=8333rick&iid=-1&de=off&searchInterval=30&items=200&searchInterval=30[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1933-goudey-babe-ruth-149-psa-1961341277[/url]
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However, this Authentic Altered card has been trimmed by Mathis to get it into a PSA 6 slab.
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219234136/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=8333rick&iid=-1&de=off&searchInterval=30&items=200&searchInterval=30[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1969-topps-reggie-jackson-rookie-card-1960353910[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1959852[/url]
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The following card was purchased raw by acme.cards, trimmed, and sold by PWCC as a PSA 10:
[url]https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=duffem79&iid=-1&de=off&searchInterval=30&items=200&searchInterval=30[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/michael-jordan-1995-96-xl-natural-1956200276[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1931065[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/rd7Cwgw.png[/IMG]

The following card was purchased by unknown ID coded as t***q (purple star) before it was trimmed. This ID appears frequently in Mathis subs.
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191219232107/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&userid=noochie29&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&interval=0&searchInterval=30&mPg=15&page=3[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/wayne-gretzky-edmonton-oilers-upper-1957032048[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1967458[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/APUQaZR.png[/IMG]

The rest of these cards are attributed to Evan Mathis via the PSA submission they're in:

[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/2014-topps-stadium-club-mookie-betts-1960595825[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1961863[/url]
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He is also responsible for this trimmed card that has already been called out: [url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1312334[/url]
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In addition to this previously called out card and the majority of the other high-grade PSA Jordan inserts sold by Probstein and PWCC since 2017:
[url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpost.php?p=15329535&postcount=55[/url]
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/OI4fBHL.jpg[/IMG]

As usual, this is nothing. Untraceable cards outnumber traceable cards probably by about 50:1 and it looks like he was breaking vintage sets to trim as well.

Edit 1:

Here's an AI Platinum that was first sold twice by PWCC as a BGS 8, bumped to a BGS 9 without alteration and sold by PWCC again, purchased by Mathis, trimmed, graded a PSA 10, and sold by PWCC for a fourth time. Go grading!

[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1491181[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1519051[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1695326[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1963272[/url]

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Edit 2:

This PSA 10 Carlton Fisk is really the definition a franken-card. If you really study the photos, you can see that the card was pressed to increase stock area and then haphazardly trimmed back to create lots of partial edge and corner shaves to sharpen the corners. As a result the card doesn't really have any straight edges left, yet still receives a PSA 10. The last two photos are the best as they show the cards overlaid with a red outline that has a constant position. This outline shows how the left and top edges have been trimmed while the bottom right corner area has been pressed out to sharpen the corner.

[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1972-topps-psa-carlton-fisk-rookie-1821037162[/url]
[url]https://goldinauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=34312[/url]

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Edit 3:

Trimmed card with no grade increase and a $42.51 value gain. Note the "Before" photos below are from an earlier PWCC sale. acme.cards purchased the untrimmed card from warrent1954 as shown.

[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191223003004/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=warrent1954&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&searchInterval=30&mPg=8&page=3[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1587475[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/roberto-bob-clemente-1957-topps-76-1919626230[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1957973[/url]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/cFww64G.png[/IMG]

Edit 4:

A very small Bench. One trimmed edge noted. Can't tell if the other edges have been cleaned up as well due to the photos.

[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20191223022603/https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers&userid=hqqkem123&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&searchInterval=30&mPg=10&page=4[/url]
[url]https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1969-topps-95-johnny-bench-psa-ex-mt-1900530213[/url]
[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1959831[/url]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/9DzfMud.jpg[/IMG]

Edit 5:

Only at PSA can you remove a card's corner to increase a its grade. And only at PWCC will this yield an eye appeal sticker. :doh:

The entire top edge might be trimmed, but it's too close to the bumper in the PSA 8 photo to make the call.

[url]https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1672261[/url]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/2FGyzXc.jpg[/IMG]

Wait...so people are trimming with an old school elementary school paper trimmer?!

This is absolutely crazy

As if this dude doesn't have enough money. Seriously, WTF has happened to this hobby? I know trimming has always been around, but this just absolutely disgusts me.

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqgHFcmAOc"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqgHFcmAOc[/URL]

brb, going to a birthday party

[url]https://media.tenor.com/images/5f61df615cf47bfad16ce5c62c186220/tenor.gif[/url]

Absolutely fantastic job of piecing it all together!

Once again, PWCC is smack in the middle of it.

The list of hobby scum just keeps growing... :mad:

THIS is what is needed to spur the feds. Nail someone high profile

[QUOTE=gmoney328;15364419][B]As if this dude doesn't have enough money. [/B]Seriously, WTF has happened to this hobby? I know trimming has always been around, but this just absolutely disgusts me.[/QUOTE]

This guy made bank in the NFL! Maybe he gets a rush of doing this? Why else would he do this? Unless he pissed his money away & needs it.

[QUOTE=purejd86p;15364454]This guy made bank in the NFL! Maybe he gets a rush of doing this? Why else would he do this? Unless he pissed his money away & needs it.[/QUOTE]

Seems like you could easily make 7 figures a year trimming and without much of a labor committment. I don’t see why that precludes someone just because they might have a few mil in the bank. It’s not like he’s doing this to bank 50k/year

Hold on folks. Didn’t Evan Mathis consign the 52 Mantle PSA 9 in Heritage Auctions last year that went for 2.8 million. Holy #@#@#@#@. Someone paid that for a Mantle that was worked on. This is crippling to the hobby, to Heritage Auctions. Someone will be demanding a 2.8 million REFUND. This is beyond egregious and criminal.

[QUOTE=3124508 on COMC;15364450]#@#@#@#@ off.[/QUOTE]

Some of your posts make it seem like you put a lot of time and energy into them. Others, not so much.

[QUOTE=notfast;15364388]Wait...so people are trimming with an old school elementary school paper trimmer?![/QUOTE]

Yeah I googled that too. I have always thought they would at least need an expensive piece of equipment.

A random question on trimming - shouldn’t the difference in trimmed / un-trimmed edges be discernible, before the card is in a slab?

I bet a Munson 10 is like the Holy Grail to these guys.

“Trout Update Rookies by the dozen.”

DammitJim, I want a new grading company!

[QUOTE=3124508 on COMC;15364450]#@#@#@#@ off.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlitzRick;15364487]Hold on folks. Didn’t Evan Mathis consign the 52 Mantle PSA 9 in Heritage Auctions last year that went for 2.8 million. Holy #@#@#@#@. Someone paid that for a Mantle that was worked on. This is crippling to the hobby, to Heritage Auctions. Someone will be demanding a 2.8 million REFUND. This is beyond egregious and criminal.[/QUOTE]

I was like 12 when that card was graded.

This em effer makes $21.1m in the NFL with a fat ass pension and then becomes a scammer trimming cards.. wtf is wrong with people.

[QUOTE=cardology;15364488]Some of your posts make it seem like you put a lot of time and energy into them. Others, not so much.[/QUOTE]

Better call Jeff.

[QUOTE=cardology;15364488]Some of your posts make it seem like you put a lot of time and energy into them. Others, not so much.[/QUOTE]

Caught committing fraud and you’re trolling? Hopefully you called your lawyer first.

[QUOTE=BlitzRick;15364487]Hold on folks. Didn’t Evan Mathis consign the 52 Mantle PSA 9 in Heritage Auctions last year that went for 2.8 million. Holy #@#@#@#@. Someone paid that for a Mantle that was worked on. This is crippling to the hobby, to Heritage Auctions. Someone will be demanding a 2.8 million REFUND. This is beyond egregious and criminal.[/QUOTE]

He was also the owner of the Tom Brady that sold for $400,000 earlier this year through PWCC.

[QUOTE=3124508 on COMC;15364506]Better call Jeff.[/QUOTE]

Who’s Jeff? :popcorn: :popcorn:

[QUOTE=SaltyCracker;15364520]Who’s Jeff? :popcorn: :popcorn:[/QUOTE]

I think, PWCC's lawyer.

It was only a matter of time....

[QUOTE=cardology;15364498]I was like 12 when that card was graded.[/QUOTE]

And how old are you now?

Great info as always

Josh Hart?

It’s tempting to update his Wikipedia page with this information.

This is really good fodder for Rovell.

[QUOTE=theleica;15364519]He was also the owner of the Tom Brady that sold for $400,000 earlier this year through PWCC.[/QUOTE]

WOW. Curious if this was trimmed. That's a would be a whole new level of mega fraud.

This hobby is turning to crap.

[QUOTE=blackbears86;15364598]WOW. Curious if this was trimmed. That's a would be a whole new level of mega fraud.

This hobby is turning to crap.[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.al.com/sports/2019/03/evan-mathis-sells-tom-brady-card-for-record-setting-price-of-400100.html[/url]

OP edited with another eBay account. Thanks for the tip.

Wow, some big wigs should get the feds on this. This would be a high profile snag.

Wait, is Brent starting to out the trimmers? Maybe the feds are making him squeal.

[QUOTE=anusinha;15364659][B]Wait, is Brent starting to out the trimmers? [/B]Maybe the feds are making him squeal.[/QUOTE]

Doubtful. More like people talk too much.

[QUOTE=theleica;15364618][url]https://www.al.com/sports/2019/03/evan-mathis-sells-tom-brady-card-for-record-setting-price-of-400100.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Maybe 3124508onCOMC should check this card out too.

[QUOTE=blackbears86;15364666]Maybe 3124508onCOMC should check this card out too.[/QUOTE]

Graded long ago. But, at this point just PM Evan himself.

[QUOTE=3124508 on COMC;15364670][B]Graded long ago.[/B] But, at this point just PM Evan himself.[/QUOTE]

ahhhhhhh.

[QUOTE=3124508 on COMC;15364670]Graded long ago. But, at this point just PM Evan himself.[/QUOTE]

So I trimmed it long ago or nah?

Is Cardology, Evan Mathis? he made his account in 2018 but never posted until this thread. Anything particular of interest happen around that time? It seems that account has been following the trimming threads, since he knows the inside joke about birthday parties.

[QUOTE=cardology;15364701]So I trimmed it long ago or nah?[/QUOTE]

Did you trim the others in the OP?

[IMG]https://media1.tenor.com/images/cdd3a53cac87197d4e64c0be98fc9358/tenor.gif[/IMG]

Even former multi million dollar athletes out here getting settled in.

Are we assuming the Dmitri Young collection has always been on the up and up? I know it's older, but that always made me raise an eyebrow.

[QUOTE=anusinha;15364708]Is Cardology, Evan Mathis?[/QUOTE]I'm going to say yes to that.

[QUOTE=ninjacookies;15364715][IMG]https://media1.tenor.com/images/cdd3a53cac87197d4e64c0be98fc9358/tenor.gif[/IMG]

Even former multi million dollar athletes out here getting settled in.

Are we assuming the Dmitri Young collection has always been on the up and up? I know it's older, but that always made me raise an eyebrow.[/QUOTE]No. The Dmitri Young collection was full of altered and over-graded cards. I have seen many of them in person.

[QUOTE=pip;15364727]No. The Dmitri Young collection was full of altered and over-graded cards. I have seen many of them in person.[/QUOTE]

My gut tells me this is the case as well.

Disgusting.

geezus--i think the henderson rookie, star jordan, and the three way look way short in the OP pic.

damn hippies....get off my lawn!

[QUOTE=ninjacookies;15364731]My gut tells me this is the case as well.

Disgusting.[/QUOTE]

I think that collection has already been outed as trimmed

Something tells me the FBI investigation is about to get a lot larger.

Better lawyer up, Evan.

[QUOTE=anusinha;15364708]Is Cardology, Evan Mathis? he made his account in 2018 but never posted until this thread. Anything particular of interest happen around that time? It seems that account has been following the trimming threads, since he knows the inside joke about birthday parties.[/QUOTE]

.....beat me to this.

and I would add it took [B]exactly[/B] 20 minutes.

.....after 18 months of ZERO posts. lol.

isn't sean bassik a member here buying vintage?

[QUOTE=pip;15364727]No. The Dmitri Young collection was full of altered and over-graded cards. I have seen many of them in person.[/QUOTE]

Inevitable, it seems, with a large grouping of high profile 10s.

[QUOTE=smackvay;15364751]isn't sean bassik a member here buying vintage?[/QUOTE]

Yeah. I don’t know if he could count on two hands the number of legitimate slabs he’s sold. He’s the guy who sold over 10,000 slabs for OCSI too.

[QUOTE=smackvay;15364751]isn't sean bassik a member here buying vintage?[/QUOTE]And on Net54. Not sure if he's still active but he was years ago.

Who has the industrial sized popcorn popper?

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[QUOTE=pip;15364756]And on Net54. Not sure if he's still active but he was years ago.[/QUOTE]

He posted buy ads recently.

This particular scandal will go down as worse for the hobby than PWCC, Moser or PSA botching clear and obvious alterations. I’ll tell you why.

This one involves a former NFL player and the scandal will now be picked up by the likes of Darren Rovell and Pro Football Talk (liberal weirdo Mike Florio). It will hit mainstream and for sure will do severe damage to the hobby. With so much new money (big investors) pouring into the hobby it’s going to be a huge turn off and they’ll do an about face and reinvest back into hedge funds and stocks. You can bet on that.

This is a huge, huge mess people.

[QUOTE=pspa123;15364760]He posted buy ads recently.[/QUOTE]

I was going to ask if the cards were headed to Cali or Tennessee.

[QUOTE=BlitzRick;15364763]This particular scandal will go down as worse for the hobby than PWCC, Moser or PSA botching clear and obvious alterations. I’ll tell you why.

This one involves a former NFL player and the scandal will now be picked up by the likes of Darren Rovell and Pro Football Talk (liberal weirdo Mike Florio). It will hit mainstream and for sure will do severe damage to the hobby. With so much new money (big investors) pouring into the hobby it’s going to be a huge turn off and they’ll do an about face and reinvest back into hedge funds and stocks. You can bet on that.

This is a huge, huge mess people.[/QUOTE]

Fraud, not scandal. Outright fraud.

People get jail time for fraud. Not as much for scandal.

[QUOTE=anusinha;15364744]I think that collection has already been outed as trimmed[/QUOTE]Well, to the extent that a lot of it was curated by Dave Bailey, yes. I think the PSA insider letter bent in that direction. I'm sure there are other sources too.

[QUOTE=notfast;15364388]Wait...so people are trimming with an old school elementary school paper trimmer?![/QUOTE]

That’s hilarious.

the '69 Jackson is "odd".

takes an "altered", chops it, comes back a 6 WITH a [B]gaping[/B] space
inside of the psa holder.

especially painful to a[B] "6"[/B] vintage collector.

[QUOTE=notfast;15364388]Wait...so people are trimming with an old school elementary school paper trimmer?![/QUOTE]

Trimming a piece of paper isn't rocket science.

Turning a single PSA 9 into a PSA 10 can get you a more than capable setup.

There's a reason that I assume that every graded card is trimmed. Literally anyone can do it and the profit potential is off the charts.

[QUOTE=BlitzRick;15364763]This particular scandal will go down as worse for the hobby than PWCC, Moser or PSA botching clear and obvious alterations. I’ll tell you why.

This one involves a former NFL player and the scandal will now be picked up by the likes of Darren Rovell and Pro Football Talk (liberal weirdo Mike Florio). It will hit mainstream and for sure will do severe damage to the hobby. With so much new money (big investors) pouring into the hobby it’s going to be a huge turn off and they’ll do an about face and reinvest back into hedge funds and stocks. You can bet on that.

This is a huge, huge mess people.[/QUOTE]I agree about the breadth of the coming media coverage. Tabloids (let's include most of the MSM in this category) love salacious celebrity/athlete stories. It sells.

I wonder if Lichtman will begin to suffer from client fatigue soon.

[QUOTE=3124508 on COMC;15364765]I was going to ask if the cards were headed to Cali or Tennessee.[/QUOTE]

Often times right to NJ for Probstein.... I had sold some lots of vintage to Sean a couple years ago and that’s where he had me send them.

[QUOTE=vintg;15364783]the '69 Jackson is "odd".

takes an "altered", chops it, comes back a 6 WITH a [B]gaping[/B] space
inside of the psa holder.

especially painful to a[B] "6"[/B] vintage collector.[/QUOTE]

I’m not sure why so many on the boards have focused/believed that trimming was occurring primarily at the higher grade end of the spectrum and that they were safe because they were mid-grade collectors. I think this puts that to bed. Scammers are really just focusing on the value bump from a lower grade to a higher.

In fact, I think trimming may be more prevalent in the mid-grade world. Seems much less likely to get caught. If you’re submitting cards that are at the higher end of the spectrum, you’d be much more concerned about getting more scrutiny from the TPGs. PSA 6s won’t be scrutinized.

[QUOTE=vwnut13;15364784]Trimming a piece of paper isn't rocket science.

The difference between the value of a single PSA 9 and a PSA 10 will get you trimming cards like a pro.

There's a reason that I assume that every graded card is trimmed. Literally anyone can do it and the potential profits are crazy.[/QUOTE]A caveat should be added here. PSA gets weak-kneed and blurry-eyed every time a celebrity or athlete gets involved, either directly or indirectly, with their service. Evan probably could have used pinking shears and got the same grades.

[QUOTE=pip;15364802]A caveat should be added here. PSA gets weak-kneed and blurry-eyed every time a celebrity or athlete gets involved, either directly or indirectly, with their service. Evan probably could have used pinking shears and got the same grades.[/QUOTE]

hahha-word

[QUOTE=anusinha;15364744]I think that collection has already been outed as trimmed[/QUOTE]

Makes sense. Dmitri must have felt extra Madoff putting those custom labels on there too.

[QUOTE=cardology;15364429][URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqgHFcmAOc"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqgHFcmAOc[/URL]

brb, going to a birthday party

[url]https://media.tenor.com/images/5f61df615cf47bfad16ce5c62c186220/tenor.gif[/url][/QUOTE]

Be sure to use extra grease in your hair when explaining all of this to the FBI. Don’t forget to save some for prison too... it’ll ease the pain.

[QUOTE=dmanrico;15364799]I’m not sure why so many on the boards have focused/believed that trimming was occurring primarily at the higher grade end of the spectrum and that they were safe because they were mid-grade collectors. I think this puts that to bed. Scammers are really just focusing on the value bump from a lower grade to a higher.

In fact, I think trimming may be more prevalent in the mid-grade world. Seems much less likely to get caught. If you’re submitting cards that are at the higher end of the spectrum, you’d be much more concerned about getting more scrutiny from the TPGs. PSA 6s won’t be scrutinized.[/QUOTE]

we've got to agree to disagree.

the big money to be made seems to be 7 to 8's, 8's to 9's, 9's to 10's. (outside of pre-war)

especially if you're a "preferred" customer. lol.

:coffee:

[QUOTE=vintg;15364837]we've got to agree to disagree.

the big money to be made seems to be 7 to 8's, 8's to 9's, 9's to 10's. (outside of pre-war)

especially if you're a "preferred" customer. lol.

:coffee:[/QUOTE]I don't know. Card trimmers are kind of like degenerate gamblers or lifetime alcoholics. They just can't stop. Anything that passes through a card trimmer's hands is subject to alteration. We've seen that time after time in the BODA threads. Trimmers don't discriminate.

[QUOTE=pip;15364857]I don't know. Card trimmers are kind of like degenerate gamblers or lifetime alcoholics. They just can't stop. Anything that passes through a card trimmer's hands is subject to alteration. We've seen that time after time in the BODA threads. Trimmers don't discriminate.[/QUOTE]

I second this. Although I also think it’s easier to bump a grade (or 3) when dealing with cards in the 6-8 range. IMO, it’s going to take a lot more noticeable work going from a 3 or 4 to a 6 or higher. I also don’t know jack except what I’ve read here.
But again, it’s hard to imagine anyone involved in this actually demonstrating some restraint.

[QUOTE=smackvay;15364751]isn't sean bassik a member here buying vintage?[/QUOTE]
I wonder if he'd pull my testimonial down now? I helped a local guy sell a collection of mostly complete 1954-1960s sets to him a few years ago on Net54. He did make the process easy, but I wasn't doing anything to help scam people. He made an offer and the guy with the collection took it.

Too bad it looks like he's turned heel. Has he responded to any of these threads?

Honestly had to google this guy. Never heard of him. Looks like he dropped the soap one too many times.

[QUOTE=pip;15364857]I don't know. Card trimmers are kind of like degenerate gamblers or lifetime alcoholics. They just can't stop. Anything that passes through a card trimmer's hands is subject to alteration. We've seen that time after time in the BODA threads. Trimmers don't discriminate.[/QUOTE]

1st, we are on the same side of this issue.

that being said, let's take the '69 Jackson in a 4.

ave. price, $100, bumped 2 grades to a 6, it's $200.

* that's [B]assuming[/B] the flaws in a 4, can even be "successfully" doctored.

ave. price of a 6, $200, bumped 2 grades to an 8, it's $1,500.

let alone, price of an 8, $ 1,500, bumped to a 9, it's $ 17,000.

not trying to be argumentative in any way, just trying to explain what I see.

Posted it on Reddit and Evan Mathis jumped on to respond within minutes: [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/ed485k/former_nfl_player_evan_mathis_accused_of/fbfjyga/?context=3[/url]

[QUOTE=xbignick;15364886]Posted it on Reddit and Evan Mathis jumped on to respond within minutes: [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/ed485k/former_nfl_player_evan_mathis_accused_of/fbfjyga/?context=3[/url][/QUOTE]

well that explains where he went.

and here I thought he went to a birthday party.....