First Buzz: 2019 Topps Heritage High Number baseball cards
 

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Ooh I like

Can't wait!

Here we go again! [emoji2]

Is that Trout image just from the box or from a card?
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anyone want to venture a guess how much the pre-sale will be on this out of the gate?

[QUOTE=blackbears86;14499462]anyone want to venture a guess how much the pre-sale will be on this out of the gate?[/QUOTE]

150 a box at the rate the prices are going

[QUOTE=salthill;14499456]Is that Trout image just from the box or from a card?
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Just happy they will be continuing the posters into the HI# series....hoping there will be some HOFers, though like they did two years ago with the 1968 posters....would love to to see posters of some of the HOFers that didn't make it into the original 1970 poster set (Aaron, Mays, Ryan, Seaver, Carlton, Reggie, etc.).

[QUOTE=salthill;14499456]Is that Trout image just from the box or from a card?
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It's a poster box-topper.

Has Heritage always been a one and done auto/relic type of product? That low number really drives me away from the product.

I get that the SP's are what everyone chases but I'd likely be all over some hobby if it had two guaranteed autos like Topps Chrome.

[QUOTE=Bowman1951;14499540]Has Heritage always been a one and done auto/relic type of product? That low number really drives me away from the product.

I get that the SP's are what everyone chases but I'd likely be all over some hobby if it had two guaranteed autos like Topps Chrome.[/QUOTE]

Yes, Heritage is not for you :)

Something’s making me uneasy about this thread... Oh that’s it, HeritageKing hasn’t dropped by to take a dump on the product yet.
(I found him much more tolerable when I pictured him as a crusty old fart who’s all cranky because he hasn’t had his daily 9am bowel movement yet.).

[QUOTE=salthill;14499593]Something’s making me uneasy about this thread... Oh that’s it, HeritageKing hasn’t dropped by to take a dump on the product yet.
(I found him much more tolerable when I pictured him as a crusty old fart who’s all cranky because he hasn’t had his daily 9am bowel movement yet.).[/QUOTE]




I'm not dumping on the product as I LOVE HHN, but let's be honest. There will be PLENTY of this to go around. If pre-sale prices are good, I will jump on board, but if pre-sale prices are $$$$ out of the gate, I will be happy to let the initial hype die down and pick up boxes later on the cheap (like last year)

[QUOTE=blackbears86;14499725]I'm not dumping on the product as I LOVE HHN, but let's be honest. There will be PLENTY of this to go around. If pre-sale prices are good, I will jump on board, but if pre-sale prices are $$$$ out of the gate, I will be happy to let the initial hype die down and pick up boxes later on the cheap (like last year)[/QUOTE]

Everyone should do the same. I bought the HHN and Update last year after release for much less than presale prices. It was MUCH cheaper and there was an unlimited supply for a couple of months. And we all know production will go up even further. So the case deals should be just as good, if not better, this go around.

[QUOTE=premium1981;14499745]Everyone should do the same. I bought the HHN and Update last year after release for much less than presale prices. It was MUCH cheaper and there was an unlimited supply for a couple of months. And we all know production will go up even further. So the case deals should be just as good, if not better, this go around.[/QUOTE]

last year this was a BF doorbuster, pretty much get all you wanted for 700/case

[QUOTE=anusinha;14499782]last year this was a BF doorbuster, pretty much get all you wanted for 700/case[/QUOTE]

sold out quickly for sure

[QUOTE=premium1981;14499745]Everyone should do the same. I bought the HHN and Update last year after release for much less than presale prices. It was MUCH cheaper and there was an unlimited supply for a couple of months. And we all know production will go up even further. So the case deals should be just as good, if not better, this go around.[/QUOTE]

And that was with Ron n Juan having amazing 1st seasons in the bigs. If Vladdy/Eloy, etc. don't do what they did the prices around BF should be juicy junior, real juicy.

[QUOTE=premium1981;14499745]Everyone should do the same. I bought the [B]HHN and Update last year after release for much less than presale prices[/B]. It was MUCH cheaper and there was an unlimited supply for a couple of months. And we all know production will go up even further. So the case deals should be just as good, if not better, this go around.[/QUOTE]


100% yes. I remember getting both update and HHN during a "wave"

If the top RC make HHN and are SP (701-725) rather than base I think it would help keep wax prices higher as there would be more value in the base/SP set.

[QUOTE=Bowman1951;14499540]Has Heritage always been a one and done auto/relic type of product? That low number really drives me away from the product.

I get that the SP's are what everyone chases but I'd likely be all over some hobby if it had two guaranteed autos like Topps Chrome.[/QUOTE]

There were years where hits were not guaranteed (but typically were found).

[QUOTE=ryanvas;14500059][B]If the top RC make HHN and are SP [/B](701-725) rather than base I think it would help keep wax prices higher as there would be more value in the base/SP set.[/QUOTE]



Yes, if topps does that then we could see higher prices that sustain (like 2015 HHN)

Too many variables at this point: Will Vlad be good? how about the other rookies? Will topps screw up the checklist?

[QUOTE=ryanvas;14500059]If the top RC make HHN and are SP (701-725) rather than base I think it would help keep wax prices higher as there would be more value in the base/SP set.[/QUOTE]

I hope this is the case since the stars were SPs in Heritage this year.

No one cares about an SP of some 8th string reliever. The good players should be SP

[QUOTE=anusinha;14500286]No one cares about an SP of some 8th string reliever. The good players should be SP[/QUOTE]

Then people will complain about the good players being too much to buy for a glorified base card :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;14499784]sold out quickly for sure[/QUOTE]

There were many, many, many, cases to be had for just slightly more. Cases were flooding the market and ripe for the picking. Plus, towards the end of the year is when all of the coupons get dropped on ebay making the purchases that much better. I don't care what they presell for, I ain't touching it till a week or two after release. Prices don't rise till spring training, so there is no worry about not striking while the iron is hot. Hard to lose.

Lol at the pics they used. Did Harper lose an eye and is Trout just hitting puberty with the stuff on his face?

Price immediately on release for 2018 HHN was like $11-1200 a case. Soon dropped to well below that maybe $6-700

Unfortunately you have to buy early if you want to sell sets. By the time they drop the set collectors will have theirs. The lower priced cars are god for holding or rolling the dice on big hits.

[QUOTE=danimal875;14500605]Unfortunately you have to buy early if you want to sell sets. By the time they drop the set collectors will have theirs. The lower priced cars are god for holding or rolling the dice on big hits.[/QUOTE]

Sets are the worse way to sell prospect products. You will net MUCH more by selling players in lots.

Take 2018 Update for example right now:

Sets can be had for around $23 SHIPPED. After fees and shipping you are clearing around $10 when you factor in supplies.

Now look up how much Acuna and Soto sell for by themselves. I can get $5 per with no problem. But lets say $4 per. How about Ohtani and Gleyber added in? How about the rookie debut added in?

When you sell everything the right way, you can net triple what sets will net you.

In before it gets to 200/box..........


ahhh too late. This will be the product of the century. I have talked to 49 dealers and they all got cut 93%. One guy ordered 12 cases and is only getting 3 packs.

Sell Judge, but bir...........2019 HHN

Sincerely
Topp......urrrrrrrr I mean Joe Clertorrr.

[QUOTE=anusinha;14499782]last year this was a BF doorbuster, pretty much get all you wanted for 700/case[/QUOTE]


Not really. At $699.95 they were limit 1 per household, and they only offered 5 cases then a single reload of another 5 which sold out immediately. So you had to be there at the right time to even get one case at that price. They also offered a limited number of boxes at $59.95 which didn't last long.

Yes you could have bought another case or two at $799.95, which still was a no-brainer price :)

[QUOTE=HeritageKing;14501012]In before it gets to 200/box..........


ahhh too late. This will be the product of the century. I have talked to 49 dealers and they all got cut 93%. One guy ordered 12 cases and is only getting 3 packs.

Sell Judge, but bir...........2019 HHN

Sincerely
Topp......urrrrrrrr I mean Joe Clertorrr.[/QUOTE]

#ThanksTopps

Need that Bryce.

[QUOTE=anusinha;14500286]No one cares about an SP of some 8th string reliever. The good players should be SP[/QUOTE]


With the new MLB rules limiting how relievers can be used, there will probably be far fewer relievers I. Card sets moving forward.

pre-order link live at the original link.

[QUOTE=BlowoutBuzz;14501950]pre-order link live at the original link.[/QUOTE]

$1175 right off the bat.

Come on now.

[QUOTE=Ajax1723;14501965]$1175 right off the bat.

Come on now.[/QUOTE]

Looks like I am out of case buying going forward....$1200 for HHN is going overboard. Flagship will probably be up to $900 next. Well done Topps.

[QUOTE=RaceDog;14501978]Looks like I am out of case buying going forward....$1200 for HHN is going overboard. Flagship will probably be up to $900 next. Well done Topps.[/QUOTE]

Yea I don't know what to do about this. Was looking forward to my favorite release of the year.....and it's $100 a box IMMEDIATELY on pre-sale, when cost is WAYY below that.

I get it, business, etc. But man.

[QUOTE=Ajax1723;14501965]$1175 right off the bat.

Come on now.[/QUOTE]

Major bummer. Ugh. Priced right out of this one.

easy pass

Vlad and Eloy are going to be in this and Distributors think everyone will pay their prices. I would like to have their Heritage cards too, but at $1200, you better hope to hit a big $$ one or you will not get close to value out of these. I'll just buy a set on eBay and pick up singles. I think we may have finally hit over confidence/stupidity by distributors. (I hope so at least). I hope my LCS (who normally follows Blowouts pricing) resists the urge to take excessive profits. I should find out later today.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;14502018]easy pass[/QUOTE]

i second that this year my bank account is growing not buying stuff cases/boxes and even singles taking a big step back.

this product is barely worth $850 let alone $1200

[QUOTE=premium1981;14500824]Sets are the worse way to sell prospect products. You will net MUCH more by selling players in lots.

Take 2018 Update for example right now:

Sets can be had for around $23 SHIPPED. After fees and shipping you are clearing around $10 when you factor in supplies.

Now look up how much Acuna and Soto sell for by themselves. I can get $5 per with no problem. But lets say $4 per. How about Ohtani and Gleyber added in? How about the rookie debut added in?

When you sell everything the right way, you can net triple what sets will net you.[/QUOTE]

Selling in lots though, I mean after you sell the big four, you aren't going to get a lot of money for the rest. And then you are left with a bunch of common base. In my case of 2018, I sold 11 sets that included a master set and a partial master. I cleared $170 selling those. If you are telling me I could have made three times that, which would be over $500, please tell me because I highly doubt that. Maybe you will end up netting more than $170 that I did, but I still think in Update selling sets is perfectly fine. Also, I was selling my sets well after release date in December.

Probably the only thing that I didn't do right is selling the gold parallels and foils, I still have all my commons from that, about 30-50 of each.

Now, in terms of 2019 HHN, lol. $1200 for preorder? I got on to see what the price would be and bye felicia, I'll see you in a black friday wave for $600-$700. There is no guarantee Vlad JR/Eloy/any rookie will be in it right now, and certainly haven't produced at the major league level to warrant a high demand.

[QUOTE=RaceDog;14501978]Looks like I am out of case buying going forward....$1200 for HHN is going overboard. Flagship will probably be up to $900 next. Well done Topps.[/QUOTE]


Topps isn't responsible for the secondary market price.

[QUOTE=phil;14502083]Topps isn't responsible for the secondary market price.[/QUOTE]

I would assume cost for HHN is similar, if not exact to 2019 Heritage.

If that's the case, most experienced buyers on here know how much of a markup $1175 is for a case of this 5 months out.

Won't get into case buying, but will probably be looking to get 3-4 boxes when/if I can find a good deal.
I'll also be buying some singles, including that Kikuchi auto.

[QUOTE=phil;14502083]Topps isn't responsible for the secondary market price.[/QUOTE]

You are right Phil...I even alluded to hoping my LCS offers a price that is different from BO even though they usually follow their pricing. Mentioning "thanks Topps" was a poor attempt at humor :(

The pricing is nothing new though, it's been going on the past couple years....tougher and tougher to get allocations as well.

See, heres the rub......

*if* VJ, Eloy & Company warrant "the craze", topps WILL make plenty of these, just like they did last year.

2018 HH# Hobby boxes were under $55 here during the BF sales

[QUOTE=Zauron;14502080]Selling in lots though, I mean after you sell the big four, you aren't going to get a lot of money for the rest. And then you are left with a bunch of common base. In my case of 2018, I sold 11 sets that included a master set and a partial master. I cleared $170 selling those. If you are telling me I could have made three times that, which would be over $500, please tell me because I highly doubt that. Maybe you will end up netting more than $170 that I did, but I still think in Update selling sets is perfectly fine. Also, I was selling my sets well after release date in December.

Probably the only thing that I didn't do right is selling the gold parallels and foils, I still have all my commons from that, about 30-50 of each.

Now, in terms of 2019 HHN, lol. $1200 for preorder? I got on to see what the price would be and bye felicia, I'll see you in a black friday wave for $600-$700. There is no guarantee Vlad JR/Eloy/any rookie will be in it right now, and certainly haven't produced at the major league level to warrant a high demand.[/QUOTE]

You can average $50-$60 per base set in Update if you sell as player lots. That's where the 3x estimate comes from. HHN won't quite do that well because the set is smaller, but if you have enough good rookies who aren't SP you can usually do better than sets.

The key with player lots is to do them the first week or two. Once you pass 2-3 weeks I would say the sets start to become comparable. As far as lots that won't sell, you'd be surprised. In a 350 ct. set those $1-$2 lots add up.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;14502141]2018 HH# Hobby boxes were under $55 here during the BF sales[/QUOTE]


They were never less than $59.95, very few were offered at that price, and they only reason they were was because Blowout initially underestimated the demand.

As noted above a few people got cases at $699.95, but not many.

[QUOTE=Ajax1723;14501988]Yea I don't know what to do about this. Was looking forward to my favorite release of the year.....and it's $100 a box IMMEDIATELY on pre-sale, when cost is WAYY below that.

I get it, business, etc. But man.[/QUOTE]

This is why Topps should not use distributors for popular products that are going to sell no matter what, such as Heritage and Flagship.

Both Topps AND collectors would be better off if Topps sold direct-to-collector at wholesale + 20%.

[QUOTE=phil;14502167]They were never less than $59.95, very few were offered at that price, and they only reason they were was because Blowout initially underestimated the demand.

As noted above a few people got cases at $699.95, but not many.[/QUOTE]

hmmm, were they 60? i know i bought four the day they started that sale. i guess 240 was right. i apologize

[QUOTE=phil;14502167]They were never less than $59.95, very few were offered at that price, and they only reason they were was because Blowout initially underestimated the demand.

As noted above a few people got cases at $699.95, but not many.[/QUOTE]

That's splitting hairs though. Even if boxes were $70 at their lowest, that is far less than the pre-sell prices of $90-$100 per box.

We could have the exact same discussion for Topps Chrome. Everyone gets excited and buys high because they know Vlad will be there but by release date you are getting either product at $70-$75 and the pre-order buyers are licking their wounds. I've learned there is no reason to pre-order 3rd and 4th quarter product. Just buy at release or shortly after and you are likely in well below pre-sale.

[QUOTE=mfw13;14502172]This is why Topps should not use distributors for popular products that are going to sell no matter what, such as Heritage and Flagship.

Both Topps AND collectors would be better off if Topps sold direct-to-collector at wholesale + 20%.[/QUOTE]

I'm not necessarily for that either. But for many, many years, the response to rising case prices was that their "rebuy" was much higher, so they had to ask higher prices. Obviously that is not the case here.

Nothing that anyone can currently do about it, which is sad, considering its 5 months out, no checklist per normal, and about 10-15% non-refundable down payment.

It is what it is. Unfortunately for 85% of buyers, it means buying singles or hoping a local LCS has a standard markup above cost. Even at a 30% markup I would think most LCS could decently beat $100.

[QUOTE=auctionjmm;14502176]That's splitting hairs though. [/QUOTE]



Just making the point that the 'floor' is likely to be higher this year. Not arguing that it won't drop from current presell price.

Retail is $300 a case. Less if you have coupons or discounts from the various retailers. $260 seems to be a good number to settle on. You will get a complete base and sp set as well as many of the inserts. Maybe a few autos, maybe not. Extra base of hot rookies and a lot of sp’s left over.

16 blasters is appx 5 hobby boxes, albeit without some hits. At this pricing, 5 hobby boxes is $500.

I’ll take retail plus my choice of hits for less than $500 Alex.

[QUOTE=Ajax1723;14502182]I'm not necessarily for that either. But for many, many years, the response to rising case prices was that their "rebuy" was much higher, so they had to ask higher prices. Obviously that is not the case here.

Nothing that anyone can currently do about it, which is sad, considering its 5 months out, no checklist per normal, and about 10-15% non-refundable down payment.

It is what it is. Unfortunately for 85% of buyers, it means buying singles or hoping a local LCS has a standard markup above cost. Even at a 30% markup I would think most LCS could decently beat $100.[/QUOTE]

There's nothing that collectors can do about it.

There's quite a bit that Topps can do about it.

And Topps should do something about it given the amount of profit they are leaving on the table. Economic theory says that Topps should raise their wholesale prices to at least the $60-70 range....

Why is everyone surprised and complaining? You knew it was coming. Just wait a couple weeks after release and then buy. Not that big of a deal. There will be more of this than 18 HHN, and it was everywhere. And it will be hard for Vladdy and Eloy to outproduce Acuna and Soto. They may, but it will be hard. I don't care what the presell price is. I ain't playing this insane markup game.

[QUOTE=premium1981;14503320]Why is everyone surprised and complaining? You knew it was coming. Just wait a couple weeks after release and then buy. Not that big of a deal. There will be more of this than 18 HHN, and it was everywhere. And it will be hard for Vladdy and Eloy to outproduce Acuna and Soto. They may, but it will be hard. I don't care what the presell price is. I ain't playing this insane markup game.[/QUOTE]

I enjoy the release day rip and flip fun, so yea, little upset. I'll be shopping around, but it isn't unfair to be dissapointed with the price its at right from the start.

[QUOTE=Ajax1723;14501965]$1175 right off the bat.

Come on now.[/QUOTE]

Wow! Yeah, I’m out after paying the high initial price of regular TH.

Between 2016-2018 I purchased 10+ cases of hobby and a handful of retail cases of regular/high heritage. This year it’s an easy pass altogether minus some group breaks. Instead, I’ve put my money towards some dude named Trout and will continue to do so until box prices become reasonable again.

Wonder if they will do a Mega for these? I think the Mega boxes they did are a good investment just for those chrome packs.

[QUOTE=mfw13;14502172]This is why Topps should not use distributors for popular products that are going to sell no matter what, such as Heritage and Flagship.

Both Topps AND collectors would be better off if Topps sold direct-to-collector at wholesale + 20%.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't Topps force distributors to buy every single product in order to get the popular products? If Topps stops offering them the popular products, they stop buying the unpopular ones and Topps is forced to either cut the print run or sit on a ton of products no one wants.

[QUOTE=premium1981;14503320]Why is everyone surprised and complaining? You knew it was coming. Just wait a couple weeks after release and then buy. Not that big of a deal. There will be more of this than 18 HHN, and it was everywhere. And it will be hard for Vladdy and Eloy to outproduce Acuna and Soto. They may, but it will be hard. I don't care what the presell price is. I ain't playing this insane markup game.[/QUOTE]



^^^^^^^^^^I am 100% with this.


When I posted last week about "maybe buying" if the pre-sale price was right, I knew I was dreaming. I had a feeling this was going to be $90+ out of the gate.



As Aaron Rogers says: RELAX. There will be more than enough of this to go around, both with hobby and retail. The FOMO is strong but be patient!!!


PLUS: we don't even know of Vlad/Eloy and company are going to be in this yet!! What if they get hurt or stumble in the minors? Way too many variables to buy in at this price.

Do you guys realize what it would take for Topps to start filling individual orders directly from customers? They would basically have to create another subdivision of the company which costs money, basically the job vendors like Blowout fill.

Topps' "cost" per box would cease to be as low as it is now.

Arthur

[QUOTE=blackbears86;14504004]^^^^^^^^^^I am 100% with this.


When I posted last week about "maybe buying" if the pre-sale price was right, I knew I was dreaming. I had a feeling this was going to be $90+ out of the gate.



As Aaron Rogers says: RELAX. There will be more than enough of this to go around, both with hobby and retail. The FOMO is strong but be patient!!!


PLUS: we don't even know of Vlad/Eloy and company are going to be in this yet!! What if they get hurt or stumble in the minors? Way too many variables to buy in at this price.[/QUOTE]

I thought it would be around $950 mark to be honest, but nearly $1,200 is ridiculous.

regular Heritage was around $1100-$1200 for awhile before release, now it's plummeted down to $990 and probably is going further down.

This will probably be a Black Friday special again.

It just sucks for those who want to rip and open on release, that ain't happening with these prices.

Hideous design and diluted content isn’t helping either.

You not only need Vlad and Eloy to make a big splash, you need some other mid-season call ups to perform well too in order to make breaking this worth it at this price. Not to mention Topps probably already screwed High Number with their stupid Mystery autos from regular Heritage, which you would think has to be Vlad and Eloy.

[QUOTE=13goyankees13;14503987]Doesn't Topps force distributors to buy every single product in order to get the popular products? If Topps stops offering them the popular products, they stop buying the unpopular ones and Topps is forced to either cut the print run or sit on a ton of products no one wants.[/QUOTE]

True. That's really the crux of the whole issue.....Topps uses distributors to offload the financial risk with less popular products, at the cost of leaving profits on the table with more popular products.

I think the real issue at the heart of all this is the terms of the exclusive license, which require Topps to produce far more product than there actually is demand for.

[QUOTE=HarryLime;14504693]Do you guys realize what it would take for Topps to start filling individual orders directly from customers? They would basically have to create another subdivision of the company which costs money, basically the job vendors like Blowout fill.

Arthur[/QUOTE]

Disagree.

#1 - Topps already fills thousands of individual orders for the many products it has been selling via its website...Topps Now, Topps Living Set, Throwback Thursdays, 5x7 Jumbo sets, custom cards, etc.

#2 - It would neither be particularly difficult, nor significantly more expensive, for Topps to partner with Amazon to fulfill orders, just like many other retailers do.

Maybe Topps needs to put some of the hobby exclusives into retail.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;14504962]Hideous design and diluted content isn’t helping either.

You not only need Vlad and Eloy to make a big splash, you need some other mid-season call ups to perform well too in order to make breaking this worth it at this price. [B]Not to mention Topps probably already screwed High Number with their stupid Mystery autos from regular Heritage, which you would think has to be Vlad and Eloy.[/B][/QUOTE]

This is a big complaint of mine with the mystery autos. Topps didn't need them to sell Flagship/Heritage, so why devalue Update/HHN?

[QUOTE=Zauron;14504780]I thought it would be around $950 mark to be honest, but nearly $1,200 is ridiculous.

regular Heritage was around $1100-$1200 for awhile before release, now it's plummeted down to $990 and probably is going further down.

This will probably be a Black Friday special again.

It just sucks for those who want to rip and open on release, that ain't happening with these prices.[/QUOTE]





I agree with you on all counts. I would love to bust within the first few days of release. But the game has changed. I refuse to pay $95+ per box. This product should not be anywhere close to that amount. You just have to be patient. It will drop.



Of course, the flippers are in a bind. But if your a collector you will be fine.

$100 a box.
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[QUOTE=chezball;14506420]$100 a box.
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Classic gif that certainly applies here!