New "Investment" Opportunity? BGS -> PSA Post yours!
 

When I first got into this hobby I never intended on looking at card collection as an "investment" opportunity. I bought cards that I wanted and that I thought I would want forever. I wanted to buy and collect...never sell anything.

However, as I quickly learned, I could not keep buying (collecting) more without an infinitely income, which I do not have, to keep up with the hobby. (Perhaps I am not the only one?!)

So in 2011, I quickly got into minor league prospects, following all of the major draft and prospect trackers trying to find the next big thing. On top of that, I joined the grading companies memberships (Primarily BGS) and grading cards, noticing the value increase of a raw card on ebay vs a BGS 9.5. I would buy 2 of every card, grade both, and hope for 9.5's (Which happened quite often). I would sell one and keep one, essentially using the profit of the sold card to pay for the kept card. I then would repeat.

Quite soon, I noticed, I was not the only one doing this. Apparently every one else was as well. And now, with more cards being graded than ever, where there is immediate skeptism on every "raw" card on ebay...Ive had to try some new "tricks". Of course I want to keep buying, but lack the bottomless income my desires have...

[I]Disclaimer: This is not for everyone. Only those would consider risk for a possible reward (which is me.) [/I]

[B]With that said, I feel there is a great opportunity right now with the crossover from BGS to PSA. Finding high quality BGS cards (perhaps quad 9.5's), cracking, and sending to PSA. I noticed this primarily while watching the 2011 Topps Update Trout BGS/PSA Pricing.[/B]

[I]Again, disclaimer: I have no interest in persuading anyone to do to this, but just to share what I have done and why. [/I]

Yes, there is a greater cost to PSA, than BGS, but it can be worth it in the higher end cards.

When I was looking for evidence of this working, I could find some limited posts, but did not locate a dedicated thread (perhaps I did not try hard enough?). It has happened, but not documented in any one area. Perhaps this can be that area to post the risks and rewards of this opportunity.

With all of that said, here was my first attempt...

[B]2009 Bowman Sterling Mike Trout BGS 9.5
Subs: CE-9, E-10, CO-9.5, S-9.5/AU-10[/B]
I bought this card for $680, so I had little "risk" as even if it had come back a 9, I could have sold. However, that is not what happened.

[URL=https://sportscardalbum.com/card/q6255ev9][IMG]https://sportscardalbum.com/c/q6255ev9.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[B]This one, I sent to PSA to have both the card and the AU graded:[/B]

[URL=https://sportscardalbum.com/card/jv3356fs][IMG]https://sportscardalbum.com/c/jv3356fs.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

This one worked out. I was able to sell it, and buy my next card which I will share in the next post. But, I wanted to get the conversation started. Give others some ideas, some wins, and some cautions.

Please share your crossover stories (good and bad) for others to know.

This is definitely a good scheme. On the vintage side, I play a similar game with sgc and psa.


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Interesting post, I’ve been thinking about exactly this. I’ve been chasing down ‘16 BC Soto Autos and have noticed the PSA 10s are selling for more than BGS 9.5/10s, even with autos IMO are 9s. The common flaw in the auto of the ones graded 9 is the line he draws under his first name. The first two photos show some PSA 10s that would surely grade a 9 auto; but sold for well over what a 9.5/10 (or even a 10/9) would:

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Here’s a 9 auto for reference:
[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190223/c42856e61e7c12a74c207b5e6831503d.jpg[/IMG]

The 10/9 sold for $508. A crossover to a PSA 10 would get $660 to prove your point.

[QUOTE=pdxprospect;14416304]When I first got into this hobby I never intended on looking at card collection as an "investment" opportunity. I bought cards that I wanted and that I thought I would want forever. I wanted to buy and collect...never sell anything.

However, as I quickly learned, I could not keep buying (collecting) more without an infinitely income, which I do not have, to keep up with the hobby. (Perhaps I am not the only one?!)

So in 2011, I quickly got into minor league prospects, following all of the major draft and prospect trackers trying to find the next big thing. On top of that, I joined the grading companies memberships (Primarily BGS) and grading cards, noticing the value increase of a raw card on ebay vs a BGS 9.5. I would buy 2 of every card, grade both, and hope for 9.5's (Which happened quite often). I would sell one and keep one, essentially using the profit of the sold card to pay for the kept card. I then would repeat.

Quite soon, I noticed, I was not the only one doing this. Apparently every one else was as well. And now, with more cards being graded than ever, where there is immediate skeptism on every "raw" card on ebay...Ive had to try some new "tricks". Of course I want to keep buying, but lack the bottomless income my desires have...

[I]Disclaimer: This is not for everyone. Only those would consider risk for a possible reward (which is me.) [/I]

[B]With that said, I feel there is a great opportunity right now with the crossover from BGS to PSA. Finding high quality BGS cards (perhaps quad 9.5's), cracking, and sending to PSA. I noticed this primarily while watching the 2011 Topps Update Trout BGS/PSA Pricing.[/B]

[I]Again, disclaimer: I have no interest in persuading anyone to do to this, but just to share what I have done and why. [/I]

Yes, there is a greater cost to PSA, than BGS, but it can be worth it in the higher end cards.

When I was looking for evidence of this working, I could find some limited posts, but did not locate a dedicated thread (perhaps I did not try hard enough?). It has happened, but not documented in any one area. Perhaps this can be that area to post the risks and rewards of this opportunity.

With all of that said, here was my first attempt...

[B]2009 Bowman Sterling Mike Trout BGS 9.5
Subs: CE-9, E-10, CO-9.5, S-9.5/AU-10[/B]
I bought this card for $680, so I had little "risk" as even if it had come back a 9, I could have sold. However, that is not what happened.

[URL=https://sportscardalbum.com/card/q6255ev9][IMG]https://sportscardalbum.com/c/q6255ev9.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[B]This one, I sent to PSA to have both the card and the AU graded:[/B]

[URL=https://sportscardalbum.com/card/jv3356fs][IMG]https://sportscardalbum.com/c/jv3356fs.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

This one worked out. I was able to sell it, and buy my next card which I will share in the next post. But, I wanted to get the conversation started. Give others some ideas, some wins, and some cautions.

Please share your crossover stories (good and bad) for others to know.[/QUOTE]

Good post. What was the roi on the Trout after factoring in submission costs, shipping, insurance, PayPal, etc?

I have sent two 2011 BC Trout 175 BGS 9.5’s and two 2011 BC Trout 101 BGS 9.5’s to PSA for crossover. Should have back in 2-3 weeks.


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[QUOTE=jw8;14416476]Good post. What was the roi on the Trout after factoring in submission costs, shipping, insurance, PayPal, etc?[/QUOTE]

Thanks.
Depends on which way you look at it. Even though I profited $2,060 on this particular deal, I would see the ROI delta of the crossover (from BGS 9.5 to a PSA 10) being closer to $865 (after all fees). Hope that answers the question.

Now, to another crossover example...

[B]Once I sold the PSA 10/10, I quickly bought a BGS 9.5/10 (Quad 9.5's) for $1,950, which I cracked and subbed and just got it back this week and graded a PSA 10[/B]

[I]SCA is not working for me right now, so I have attached my scans...[/I]

Curious if the OP and/or others have thoughts on whether you are better off cracking out the BGS 9.5 and subbing or leaving in the BGS case and crossing over?

People have been doing this for a long time...

I didn't sell any of my crossovers, as they were all for my PC. So I can't definitively say I have "made" money on them. However, I think I definitely increased my value on this by a bunch with this crossover. Paid $400 for it in a BGS slab. These never come up for sale as it is so im sure I would easily be able to make an extra few hundred on it if I did sell.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/C7bjfs1l.jpg[/img][img]https://i.imgur.com/9ToXtCul.jpg[/img]

And I also have this which I cracked out, cleaned the surface on and currently have at PSA. and I would be surprised if it doesn't get a PSA 10, worst case a 9. Yes, it was slabbed by BGS looking like that, smear streak, dirt film and all. Pretty sure I would be doubling my money on this as well.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/qVEuGdXl.jpg[/img][img]https://i.imgur.com/KzFvFyyl.jpg[/img]

After.....

[img]https://i.imgur.com/bDPGGF6l.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=dictoresno;14417248]I didn't sell any of my crossovers, as they were all for my PC. So I can't definitively say I have "made" money on them. However, I think I definitely increased my value on this by a bunch with this crossover. Paid $400 for it in a BGS slab. These never come up for sale as it is so im sure I would easily be able to make an extra few hundred on it if I did sell.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/C7bjfs1l.jpg[/img][img]https://i.imgur.com/9ToXtCul.jpg[/img]

[/QUOTE]

Did you crack the BGS 9.5 Jeter before submitting?

[QUOTE=pryantexas;14417147]Curious if the OP and/or others have thoughts on whether you are better off cracking out the BGS 9.5 and subbing or leaving in the BGS case and crossing over?[/QUOTE]

You shouldn’t leave them in the case, this one youtuber Eliteco3 tried to crossover about 25 BGS cards to PSA to get the same grade...only one of them crossed over lol.

Before:
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After:
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:(

I only cracked these out because I thought they would look better in PSA slabs. I was pleasantly surprised when the grades popped. My guess is Beckett graded the black backs a little harder than PSA did. No clue on the values or how much their value may have increased, I think two of them are pop 1. The Dorn was a RCR 9.

I have a few more I’ll share later when I get back home.


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[QUOTE=crose;14417512]I only cracked these out because I thought they would look better in PSA slabs. I was pleasantly surprised when the grades popped. My guess is Beckett graded the black backs a little harder than PSA did. No clue on the values or how much their value may have increased, I think two of them are pop 1. The Dorn was a RCR 9.

I have a few more I’ll share later when I get back home.


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I’m shocked that the Rickie Vaughn with a BGS8 corner got a gem mint PSA10:eek:

I'm not shocked at all. I have had a ton of cards with dinged corners come back 10's.

[QUOTE=enyouartist;14417517]I’m shocked that the Rickie Vaughn with a BGS8 corner got a gem mint PSA10:eek:[/QUOTE]

Wow, How did the Charlie Sheen card with an 8 on the corners got PSA 10???? With BGS or PSA messed up BADLY


[QUOTE=crose;14417512]I only cracked these out because I thought they would look better in PSA slabs. I was pleasantly surprised when the grades popped. My guess is Beckett graded the black backs a little harder than PSA did. No clue on the values or how much their value may have increased, I think two of them are pop 1. The Dorn was a RCR 9.

I have a few more I’ll share later when I get back home.


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I'm puzzled by this move. Why would you spend $1950 on BGS 9.5 to convert to PSA 10 which may garner marginal premium at best if at all?? I think there are better cards to buy for higher ROIs.

[QUOTE=pdxprospect;14417049]Thanks.
Depends on which way you look at it. Even though I profited $2,060 on this particular deal, I would see the ROI delta of the crossover (from BGS 9.5 to a PSA 10) being closer to $865 (after all fees). Hope that answers the question.

Now, to another crossover example...

[B]Once I sold the PSA 10/10, I quickly bought a BGS 9.5/10 (Quad 9.5's) for $1,950, which I cracked and subbed and just got it back this week and graded a PSA 10[/B]

[I]SCA is not working for me right now, so I have attached my scans...[/I][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=estebahn73;14417592]I'm puzzled by this move. Why would you spend $1950 on BGS 9.5 to convert to PSA 10 which may garner marginal premium at best if at all?? I think there are better cards to buy for higher ROIs.[/QUOTE]

It's an interesting idea in theory but I agree. Case in point, the past PSA 10 Sterlings have been for $1827, $1550, $1675, and $2100.

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Bowman-Sterling-Prospects-Mike-Trout-ROOKIE-RC-AUTO-PSA-10-GEM-MINT-PWCC-/143124679704?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true[/url]

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Bowman-Sterling-Prospects-Mike-Trout-Auto-PSA-10-Gem-Mint-Beautiful-Card-/153364812038?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true[/url]

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Bowman-Sterling-Prospects-Mike-Trout-ROOKIE-PSA-DNA-10-AUTO-PSA-10-PWCC-/143138029385?oid=123626355330[/url]

[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mike-Trout-ANGELS-2009-Bowman-Sterling-Prospects-Auto-Rookie-Card-Rc-PSA-10-x137-/264083998044?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true[/url]

Before:

[img]https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2596/32823417371_5757e94fe4_c.jpg[/img]

After:

[img]https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4557/26835289359_1450297740_c.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;14417650]Before:

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After:

[img]https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4557/26835289359_1450297740_c.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

Did you crack these?

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;14417650]Before:

[img]https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2596/32823417371_5757e94fe4_c.jpg[/img]

After:

[img]https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4557/26835289359_1450297740_c.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

Holy #@#@#@#@ a Bowman Platinum turned into a Topps Finest? How did you do that???

[QUOTE=enyouartist;14417661]Did you crack these?[/QUOTE]

no, straight cross years back (before Trout was Trout).
the BCD Ref took two tries

[QUOTE=corockies;14417702]Holy #@#@#@#@ a Bowman Platinum turned into a Topps Finest? How did you do that???[/QUOTE]

MAGIC! :D

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After:

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can i have one? my trout bowman platinum rookies are lonely cause they have no company. lol. thank is awesome stuff man.

[QUOTE=pdxprospect;14417049]Thanks.
Depends on which way you look at it. Even though I profited $2,060 on this particular deal, I would see the ROI delta of the crossover (from BGS 9.5 to a PSA 10) being closer to $865 (after all fees). Hope that answers the question.
[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the reply, that helps conceptualize the opportunity and seems like the juice is worth the squeeze.

What is the process for cracking these BGS cases? And how do I clean the surface of the card? I have a 9.5 BGS LBJ 2003 Topps Chrome with (9.5, 9.5, 9.5, 10) marks that would be a good candidate.

Awesome investment concept, just a general question for everyone, would it make more sense to grade raw bowman chrome with psa or bgs?

[QUOTE=pryantexas;14417147]Curious if the OP and/or others have thoughts on whether you are better off cracking out the BGS 9.5 and subbing or leaving in the BGS case and crossing over?[/QUOTE]

Always crack. I do not trust a PSA grader when they are looking at a BGS case. It is the easiest (and expensive way) for them to try and "prove" they are better than the other guy. Of course, the one time I did it, I had a grade minimum requirement of a 10, which 9 times out of 10, they will return the card, but not your money.

[QUOTE=notfast;14417153]People have been doing this for a long time...[/QUOTE]

Yes, but within the last year, the PSA difference has taken off on modern cards. Just take the trout update for example...

[QUOTE=estebahn73;14417592]I'm puzzled by this move. Why would you spend $1950 on BGS 9.5 to convert to PSA 10 which may garner marginal premium at best if at all?? I think there are better cards to buy for higher ROIs.[/QUOTE]

Yes, puzzling. when I sold my PSA 10, it was a peak time (prior to injury and PT), so I ended up paying peak value for my BGS 9.5 as well. Again, PSA 10's at the time were at $2400+.

[QUOTE=jw8;14417752]Thanks for the reply, that helps conceptualize the opportunity and seems like the juice is worth the squeeze.

What is the process for cracking these BGS cases? And how do I clean the surface of the card? I have a 9.5 BGS LBJ 2003 Topps Chrome with (9.5, 9.5, 9.5, 10) marks that would be a good candidate.[/QUOTE]

First off, do not ever crack after a drink and always where safety glasses. :cool:
I use a pair of Milwaukee wire "snippers" and snap the top of the BGS case, right near the middle. The most often break is a 30% of one of the sides. I then use a flat head screw driver to separate the top and bottom of the case. Thankfully, the BGS cards are protected a bit in their sealed penny sleeve.

[QUOTE=czyankeefan;14417763]Awesome investment concept, just a general question for everyone, would it make more sense to grade raw bowman chrome with psa or bgs?[/QUOTE]

I love chrome (especially refractors) in BGS cases as they seem to match better. However, I am biased towards PSA at this time, primarily over long term value. With PSA the one for vintage, it was only time that it takes over in the modern card era as well.

What PDX said about cracking a BGS case while drinking it true. I learned the hard way. I slid a screw driver down a couple hundred dollar Mantle and scratched the hell out of it.

I'd advise whoever tries this to understand that a true gem from BGS isn't an automatic 10 at PSA. I've seen some gross examples of true gem+ BGS cards and even pristines that would struggle to get a 9 at PSA. A lot of things get past BGS, especially on the corners.

Edit: to be fair, things get past PSA too, but I feel it's less often and they seldom miss corner damage.

That said, there is lucrative opportunity, especially on low pop cards. Would be ideal to see the card in person first though. GL

The first and only time I've ever sent in BGS cases to PSA. I had much much much better results cracking the BGS case myself and submitting RAW.

This one still stings...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/WK8gw7D.jpg?1[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/KTqpKTw.jpg?1[/img]

[QUOTE=enyouartist;14417433]Did you crack the BGS 9.5 Jeter before submitting?[/QUOTE]



No way. I crossed it with a min grade of 10. Thoroughly inspected it first. Corners were fine. Atomic pattern on the tip made it look touched but wasn’t.


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[QUOTE=Mister2Bits;14418391]The first and only time I've ever sent in BGS cases to PSA. I had much much much better results cracking the BGS case myself and submitting RAW.

This one still stings...
[/QUOTE]

That super sucks. I am so sorry that happened.
I've heard that PSA is meticulous about corners...

[QUOTE=Jay9Suited;14417487]Before:
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After:
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:([/QUOTE]

OUCH!

MG 10 that bad boy!

[QUOTE=pdxprospect;14418021]
First off, do not ever crack after a drink and always where safety glasses. :cool:
I use a pair of Milwaukee wire "snippers" and snap the top of the BGS case, right near the middle. The most often break is a 30% of one of the sides. I then use a flat head screw driver to separate the top and bottom of the case. Thankfully, the BGS cards are protected a bit in their sealed penny sleeve.

[/QUOTE]

So when PSA is crossing these over they HAVE to have a better way of getting the card out of the BGS case then cutting it with tools.... any sense of what that way is???

Let me see if I have the process correct:

1. Submit to BGS first
2. If BGS 10 (or black label) stop
3. If BGS 9.5, look at sub grades
4. If sub grades are quad 9.5 or higher (maybe one 9) crack and send to PSA

That right?

[QUOTE=ScooterD;14419729]Let me see if I have the process correct:

1. Submit to BGS first
2. If BGS 10 (or black label) stop
3. If BGS 9.5, look at sub grades
4. If sub grades are quad 9.5 or higher (maybe one 9) crack and send to PSA

That right?[/QUOTE]
Total waste of time and money. Speaking purely from an investment/flip standpoint, if you think a card has a realistic shot at a PSA 10, just send it to PSA with a min grade of 10. The exceptions would be the ultra rare and ultra high-end where you may not be able to stomach dropping thousands on grading fees and miss your grade.

If you have reservations about it being a PSA 10, you think there's a realistic shot at a BGS 10, you need the card back fast, or there is minimal difference between BGS 9.5 and PSA 10, send it to BGS.

i really want to cross this over. Seems really expensive to do(i've never submitted to PSA before). what are yall's thoughts? It should get a 10 right?

[url=https://flic.kr/p/WpdWcu][img]https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4283/35706068546_c9d1975824.jpg[/img][/url]

I’m curious, but what is the point on a minimum grade? Won’t PSA charge you regardless of whether they send the card back unslabbed or slabbed?

[QUOTE=bankdawg;14419781]i really want to cross this over. Seems really expensive to do(i've never submitted to PSA before). what are yall's thoughts? It should get a 10 right?

[url=https://flic.kr/p/WpdWcu][img]https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4283/35706068546_c9d1975824.jpg[/img][/url][/QUOTE]

I personally would be confident in sending it in. Theres no set guideline or what will cross to a 10 and what won't. Keep in mind its hard for them sometimes because they need to inspect the card in the BGS holder and basically grade it based on what they see. Thats why crossovers have a less success rate that crackouts even if the card perfectly warrants a 10. But I would ALWAYS try a crossover first before cracking and submitting.

[QUOTE=88horsepower;14419787]I’m curious, but what is the point on a minimum grade? Won’t PSA charge you regardless of whether they send the card back unslabbed or slabbed?[/QUOTE]

It costs $20 + approx $14 shipping per card. The point of the minimum grade, well lets use my Derek Jeter Atomic as the example. I set the minimum grade as a PSA 10 because if the card lets say would've only graded a PSA 8.5 or PSA 9, I WOULDNT want it cracked out and would want it left in its BGS 9.5 holder as it would be worth more that way. If PSA downgraded it, its value could drop vs its current holder. Selecting minimum grade allows you to ensure some kinda security on your value.

also, I had this card below, but really wanted it in a PSA holder. I thought BGS over graded it, so I set my min grade at a PSA 7. Sure enough, thats what it came back as. Would it be "worth" more as a BGS 8.5? Maybe. But I was prepared to accept a PSA 7. If PSA said it was gonna be a 6, my min grade would've prevented them from cracking it out. I think it would be worth more at that point as a BGS 8.5 than a PSA 6.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/iVLAiTVh.jpg[/img][img]https://i.imgur.com/pW8KQFYh.jpg[/img]

My only crack and re-sub went the other direction, from PSA to BGS.

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[QUOTE=88horsepower;14419787]I’m curious, but what is the point on a minimum grade? Won’t PSA charge you regardless of whether they send the card back unslabbed or slabbed?[/QUOTE]
Minimum grade is nice in theory, but in my opinion must be raw to even be close. In a BGS case, with a min grade, they have little reason to switch since they already have your money...

Yes, they charge regardless.
Hence why I crack and sub with quals or min grade.

[QUOTE=ScooterD;14419729]Let me see if I have the process correct:

1. Submit to BGS first
2. If BGS 10 (or black label) stop
3. If BGS 9.5, look at sub grades
4. If sub grades are quad 9.5 or higher (maybe one 9) crack and send to PSA

That right?[/QUOTE]No. I'm purely speaking of purchasing Cards already graded by BGS.
If you already own the cards, just grade direct to PSA.

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I just shake my head to guys who buy BGS 9.5 cards and think it will cross-over to PSA with no issue...

Two different companies, two different graders.

[QUOTE=WHyFLy;14420346]I just shake my head to guys who buy BGS 9.5 cards and think it will cross-over to PSA with no issue...

Two different companies, two different graders.[/QUOTE]

im 3 for 3 with them. I think they mostly cross without issue, but theres always a chance it won't.

Wow, I never heard of this before. I'm sure BGS and PSA thank you all for this "New" idea though.

[QUOTE=88horsepower;14419787]I’m curious, but what is the point on a minimum grade? Won’t PSA charge you regardless of whether they send the card back unslabbed or slabbed?[/QUOTE]

Yes they charge the same regardless. I've always thought MG was because it's easier to sell the card raw than a 8 (or whatever grade) or have to crack it out themselves.

[B]2012 Allen & Ginter Bryce Harper Mini Framed Auto[/B]
Here is another one that I wanted so badly to be a red label gem!
Pulled this in a pack in his rookie year, but the 9 AU grade bugged me.
A quad 9.5 gem with a streaky auto...surely a PSA 10!