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Patrick Mahomes Prices
These things are just getting crazy. Not sure how much higher they can get. This one shocked me. FOTL rookie from last year is at $18,300 and it's not even over yet. I think he's doing great too and has an awesome chance to get even better with the team around him but man...
[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-National-Treasures-Stars-Stripes-PATRICK-MAHOMES-RC-Patch-Auto-PSA-10-FOTL/264062490417?hash=item3d7b59d731%3Ag%3ApgcAAOSwhEhb~Yp3&LH_Auction=1[/url] |
Some people have more money than sense. $19,100. Hope seller gets paid and nothing happens to Mahomes in next 6 months. Would be a hell of a return to sweat if he tore an ACL this weekend.
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Sold for $19,100.
He's a future 6x Super Bowl winner and first ballot Hall of Famer. Worth every penny. |
I guess this is the same thing that happened with Jimmy G last year. Just hope Mahomes stays healthy. Big gamble for sure.
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Stupid people are great for the hobby :)!
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Love the dude. Would never spend that on him. But I think he can be a great QB for a long time.
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A /25 sold ungraded for $8,100 last week....
But when you think its NT, and hes a super star in less than a full season, crazy to think about his cards long term upside- Itmakes me thinkhow Giannis NT base RPA was 5k two seasons ago- now $20,000... Not crazy to think Mahomes base which are close to 5k, could see 10K or more a piece by next season and after that who knows... Add in the rare paralells like a /25, or a /13, or a /5, and wow sky is limit on those cards today |
[QUOTE=cardsharkk;14158463]A /25 sold ungraded for $8,100 last week....
But when you think its NT, and hes a super star in less than a full season, crazy to think about his cards long term upside- Itmakes me thinkhow Giannis NT base RPA was 5k two seasons ago- now $20,000... Not crazy to think Mahomes base which are close to 5k, could see 10K or more a piece by next season and after that who knows... Add in the rare paralells like a /25, or a /13, or a /5, and wow sky is limit on those cards today[/QUOTE] Crazy that only one player in the NFL this young has basketball prices. |
I don't get the prices for these things and never will (you can include psa 10 vintage as well). I don't live in that world. I assume it is all ego driven. Spending multiple grand for a sports card. Especially when it is a modern player who will have 1000's of autos and 1000's of rookie cards.
The manufactured scarcity is such a silly thing when you think about it. |
I’m pretty sure some of these sellers get together and bid up cards to try and manipulate the market. That much for a modern card of a player with such a tiny resume is senseless. Put those $’s towards some vintage baseball if you want a guaranteed profit in the future.
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[QUOTE=rittdk01;14158747]I’m pretty sure some of these sellers get together and bid up cards to try and manipulate the market. That much for a modern card of a player with such a tiny resume is senseless. Put those $’s towards some vintage baseball if you want a guaranteed profit in the future.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Onepocketj;14158097]I guess this is the same thing that happened with Jimmy G last year. Just hope Mahomes stays healthy. Big gamble for sure.[/QUOTE]What's the highest Jimmy card sold last year?
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[QUOTE=Bowman1951;14158761]What's the highest Jimmy card sold last year?[/QUOTE]
I see a NT /99 PSA 10 sold for $5,000 in September. Wonder what the peak was. |
The highest Garoppolo card I could find on PWCC was $7,100 on January 18th.
2014 National Treasures Jimmy Garoppolo RPA Logo Patch 10/10 JERSEY # BGS 9.5 There was a 3 card lot that sold for $12,560. |
Turned down 11k on our /15 nt rpa gem last night
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[QUOTE=jewcer2k5;14158785]Turned down 11k on our /15 nt rpa gem last night[/QUOTE]
DAYMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM That's a hard time to hit decline..... |
[QUOTE=Earlsnake07;14158790]DAYMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
That's a hard time to hit decline.....[/QUOTE] We hit counter. :/ Sold cracked ice Psa 9 for 7500. |
Ones like this always make me shake my head. They have in the listing that the PSA 10 sold for over 13k. Unless there is something wrong with the card that BGS didn't see, I have no idea why they wouldn't submit it to PSA. I bet they are leaving a lot of money on the table.
[url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/BGS-9-5-PATRICK-MAHOMES-II-2017-National-Treasures-AUTO-RPA-RC-Patch-99-PSA-10/223263485571?hash=item33fb8a6e83%3Ag%3Ai18AAOSwAP9b-hE0&LH_Auction=1[/url] |
I would be scared to spend the money if i was a seller for a year or however long it takes to clear the return time.
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[QUOTE=RogerGodahell;14158875]I would be scared to spend the money if i was a seller for a year or however long it takes to clear the return time.[/QUOTE]
Would definitely be interesting to see how many Watson and Jimmy G cards were returned after their injuries. |
Some rich blood in here. I get nervous buying a $200 card haha
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im so glad i sold my Select Gold non auto BGS 9.5 before season...........said no one
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I sold a Jimmy G ice psa 10 for a little more than $5k and a NT /99 PSA 10 for $5k. Neither were returned.
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[QUOTE=jrpgsxr;14158981]I sold a Jimmy G ice psa 10 for a little more than $5k and a NT /99 PSA 10 for $5k. Neither were returned.[/QUOTE]
Probably because the new owner flung themselves off a bridge after he tore his ACL |
[QUOTE=majestik101;14159444]Probably because the new owner flung themselves off a bridge after he tore his ACL[/QUOTE]
Hahahaha a plausible scenario |
Jimmy G cards still sell pretty good. Not as much as they were before the season but not bad. Winston stuff on the other hand...ouch
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[QUOTE=RogerGodahell;14159593]Jimmy G cards still sell pretty good. Not as much as they were before the season but not bad. Winston stuff on the other hand...ouch
[/QUOTE] Winston's never torn his ACL so good luck with your Jimmy Geesuses |
This is why Probstein's method sucks. Just had 3 Optic PSA 10 Mahomes 10 seconds apart. First one went for $150, second went for $127 and third went for $88. I'm sure if I was using them mine would have been the third one...
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[QUOTE=Onepocketj;14159671]This is why Probstein's method sucks. Just had 3 Optic PSA 10 Mahomes 10 seconds apart. First one went for $150, second went for $127 and third went for $88. I'm sure if I was using them mine would have been the third one...[/QUOTE]
That's ridiculous. Difference of around $25 between the 1st and 2nd, a difference of around $40 between the 2nd and 3rd, so by that trend I'm guessing if a 4th one sells it will be for about 30 bucks... Unless Probstein starts shilling the hell out of it. |
[QUOTE=Onepocketj;14159671]This is why Probstein's method sucks. Just had 3 Optic PSA 10 Mahomes 10 seconds apart. First one went for $150, second went for $127 and third went for $88. I'm sure if I was using them mine would have been the third one...[/QUOTE]
So the 1st two will be relisted next week after non-payment, right? |
[QUOTE=majestik101;14159620]Winston's never torn his ACL so good luck with your Jimmy Geesuses[/QUOTE]
Thanks, they're selling great about 2-3 times more than Winston. |
[QUOTE=RogerGodahell;14159744]Thanks, they're selling great about 2-3 times more than Winston.[/QUOTE]
if winston is selling that much lower than jimmy g then people in this hobby are not very smart. an unproven qb with a horrible injury isnt a very sound investment. sounds like the same people buying kareem hunt stuff right now |
[QUOTE=RYBOWSKI97;14159793]if winston is selling that much lower than jimmy g then people in this hobby are not very smart. an unproven qb with a horrible injury isnt a very sound investment. sounds like the same people buying kareem hunt stuff right now[/QUOTE]
Worked out fine for Watson and Wentz |
[QUOTE=thenwhatjk;14159808]Worked out fine for Watson and Wentz[/QUOTE]
I think the difference is Wentz was having an mvp year and Watson was lighting it up too. Jimmy G, we didn’t see much of him and he wasn’t playing at those two level. |
[QUOTE=RYBOWSKI97;14159793]if winston is selling that much lower than jimmy g then people in this hobby are not very smart. an unproven qb with a horrible injury isnt a very sound investment. sounds like the same people buying kareem hunt stuff right now[/QUOTE]
Jimmy G will be 28 years old next season. He has 17 career TD passes. GL with that everyone. |
[QUOTE=jewcer2k5;14158811]We hit counter. :/
Sold cracked ice Psa 9 for 7500.[/QUOTE] I remember buying Luck Cracked Ice in 2014 for $3,500. That was a time when there were only 22 of them and pre-injury when he was in the AFC Championship game. People paying this kind of money for 12 games of Mahomes have simply lost their minds. Think about all the QB's that have come around since 2010 ... name me a SINGLE good investment that has spanned 3+ seasons. Pretty sure I could name 50 QB's who have all plummeted in value and not a single one has held. |
[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;14159896]I remember buying Luck Cracked Ice in 2014 for $3,500. That was a time when there were only 22 of them and pre-injury when he was in the AFC Championship game.
People paying this kind of money for 12 games of Mahomes have simply lost their minds. Think about all the QB's that have come around since 2010 ... name me a SINGLE good investment that has spanned 3+ seasons. Pretty sure I could name 50 QB's who have all plummeted in value and not a single one has held.[/QUOTE] Not holding long term but think it’s worth more than that number right now. |
[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;14159896]I remember buying Luck Cracked Ice in 2014 for $3,500. That was a time when there were only 22 of them and pre-injury when he was in the AFC Championship game.
People paying this kind of money for 12 games of Mahomes have simply lost their minds. Think about all the QB's that have come around since 2010 ... name me a SINGLE good investment that has spanned 3+ seasons. Pretty sure I could name 50 QB's who have all plummeted in value and not a single one has held.[/QUOTE] While I can't argue about your thoughts on what Mahomes is selling for now and there is no way I would jump at the current prices everyone is trying to compare Mahomes to someone in the past. Quite honestly I don't think there is a comparison, he is coming out breaking records with his performances this early in his career and this is completely unprecedented. Look at RC years from other notable players and players people have mentioned in this thread. I am comparing their first 16 games vs Mahomes first 13 games only (his 1st start week 17 last year he didn't throw a TD). I think you can see why people are as optimistic as they are. Full disclosure I am a Chiefs fan :). [B][U]Mahomes *13 games [/U][/B] Comp % - 66.6 Yds - 4,207 TD - 41 INT -11 [B][U]Peyton Manning[/U][/B] Comp % - 56.7 Yds - 3,739 [B][U][/U][/B]TD - 26 INT - 28 [B][U]Andrew Luck[/U][/B] Comp % - 54.1 Yds - 4,374 TD - 23 INT - 18 [B][U]Drew Brees *2002 1st season starting 16 games[/U][/B] Comp % - 60.8 Yds - 3,284 TD - 17 INT - 16 [B][U]Dak Prescott[/U][/B] Comp % - 67.8 Yds - 3,667 TD - 23 INT - 4 [B][U]Aaron Rodger *2008 1st season starting 16 games[/U][/B] Comp % - 63.6 Yds - 4,038 TD - 28 INT - 13 |
[QUOTE=jewcer2k5;14159943]Not holding long term but think it’s worth more than that number right now.[/QUOTE]
Sure, in the moment for a single transaction I certainly understand. Simply that if you own this card in 24 months, you should no longer be allowed to make financial decisions on your own. |
[QUOTE=jppicks;14160066]While I can't argue about your thoughts on what Mahomes is selling for now and there is no way I would jump at the current prices everyone is trying to compare Mahomes to someone in the past. Quite honestly I don't think there is a comparison, he is coming out breaking records with his performances this early in his career and this is completely unprecedented. Look at RC years from other notable players and players people have mentioned in this thread. I am comparing their first 16 games vs Mahomes first 13 games only (his 1st start week 17 last year he didn't throw a TD). I think you can see why people are as optimistic as they are. Full disclosure I am a Chiefs fan :). [/QUOTE]
I do not dispute that Mahomes is having a rookie season for the ages; however the value of this 13 game stretch is terribly overrated. When you look at the careers of Brady, Rodgers, Brees (and even E. Manning to a certain extent), you have 15 years of playing every Sunday. 15 years of 4,000 yard campaigns, 40 TD's MVP's, SuperBowls etc. etc. It takes a career to build up value. The biggest argument I made for buying Andrew Luck contenders autos at $750 per Gem Mint copy / $1,000 per PSA 10 copy was that he was the QB of the next generation. Mahomes has definitely taken that role. But his tickets are selling for triple that of Luck. And Luck had 2 seasons under his belt. Current value leaves Mahomes no where to go but down. It's simply inevitable ... like every QB drafted in the last decade. |
One guy on here spent $10k for three Garoppolo cards... anyone know how that worked out for him?
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[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;14160176]I do not dispute that Mahomes is having a rookie season for the ages; however the value of this 13 game stretch is terribly overrated. When you look at the careers of Brady, Rodgers, Brees (and even E. Manning to a certain extent), you have 15 years of playing every Sunday. 15 years of 4,000 yard campaigns, 40 TD's MVP's, SuperBowls etc. etc. It takes a career to build up value.
The biggest argument I made for buying Andrew Luck contenders autos at $750 per Gem Mint copy / $1,000 per PSA 10 copy was that he was the QB of the next generation. Mahomes has definitely taken that role. But his tickets are selling for triple that of Luck. And Luck had 2 seasons under his belt. Current value leaves Mahomes no where to go but down. It's simply inevitable ... like every QB drafted in the last decade.[/QUOTE] Oh I understand where you are coming and agree completely. It is like buying the next hot tech stock, it trades at a value that has priced in future performance and growth that is in no way guaranteed. The current price of Mahomes already is pricing him into this sustained performance over a career. Going to be hard to actually be able to turn a profit at these prices. |
[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;14159872]Jimmy G will be 28 years old next season. He has 17 career TD passes.
GL with that everyone.[/QUOTE] True, but imagine if you invested in Blake Bortles out of all the guys in the 2014 draft class though, things could be much, much worse! |
[QUOTE=SleeperCards;14160226]True, but imagine if you invested in Blake Bortles out of all the guys in the 2014 draft class though, things could be much, much worse![/QUOTE]
Zing! :cry: |
[QUOTE=SleeperCards;14160226]True, but imagine if you invested in Blake Bortles out of all the guys in the 2014 draft class though, things could be much, much worse![/QUOTE]
Be careful now; your ignorance is showing. As I've stated many times, Bortles was one of my more profitable investments. When I started buying Blake in 2015, his NT RPA's were selling in the $100 - $150 range and his contenders autos were selling for $30. I gobbled up $15,000 worth and sat tight for the 2015 NFL season. 4,500 yards and 35 TD's later, those same cards were selling for $500 an RPA and $125 a contenders auto. The good patches were selling for close to $1,000. Fortunate timing I suppose, but I unloaded the bulk of the collection in the summer of the 2016 season. Held on to about 45 NT RPA's but moved both SuperBowl 1/1 Tickets, Dozens of Ice, and the 30 best NT RPA patches I had. As of today, Bortles has me in the black for about $31,000 and I still own 55 RPA's. Sell those off for a couple of thousand, and I hope to be $35,000 or so richer as a result of the man. Similar situation w/ Andrew Luck; the timing was fortunate. Point of the story is that while every single QB in the last 10 years has had massive drops in value; there are pockets of success for almost all of them. Specific to Mahomes, I believe that pocket is already gone. |
[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;14160261]Be careful now; your ignorance is showing.
As I've stated many times, Bortles was one of my more profitable investments. When I started buying Blake in 2015, his NT RPA's were selling in the $100 - $150 range and his contenders autos were selling for $30. I gobbled up $15,000 worth and sat tight for the 2015 NFL season. 4,500 yards and 35 TD's later, those same cards were selling for $500 an RPA and $125 a contenders auto. The good patches were selling for close to $1,000. Fortunate timing I suppose, but I unloaded the bulk of the collection in the summer of the 2016 season. Held on to about 45 NT RPA's but moved both SuperBowl 1/1 Tickets, Dozens of Ice, and the 30 best NT RPA patches I had. As of today, Bortles has me in the black for about $31,000 and I still own 55 RPA's. Sell those off for a couple of thousand, and I hope to be $35,000 or so richer as a result of the man. Similar situation w/ Andrew Luck; the timing was fortunate. Point of the story is that while every single QB in the last 10 years has had massive drops in value; there are pockets of success for almost all of them. Specific to Mahomes, I believe that pocket is already gone.[/QUOTE] I'm not ignorant of the situation at all, it was more a playful jab. If anyone knows about the pockets of QB value, it's me, I've been doing this since Rob Johnson and Jon Kitna. |
[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;14160261]Be careful now; your ignorance is showing.
As I've stated many times, Bortles was one of my more profitable investments. When I started buying Blake in 2015, his NT RPA's were selling in the $100 - $150 range and his contenders autos were selling for $30. I gobbled up $15,000 worth and sat tight for the 2015 NFL season. 4,500 yards and 35 TD's later, those same cards were selling for $500 an RPA and $125 a contenders auto. The good patches were selling for close to $1,000. Fortunate timing I suppose, but I unloaded the bulk of the collection in the summer of the 2016 season. Held on to about 45 NT RPA's but moved both SuperBowl 1/1 Tickets, Dozens of Ice, and the 30 best NT RPA patches I had. As of today, Bortles has me in the black for about $31,000 and I still own 55 RPA's. Sell those off for a couple of thousand, and I hope to be $35,000 or so richer as a result of the man. Similar situation w/ Andrew Luck; the timing was fortunate. Point of the story is that while every single QB in the last 10 years has had massive drops in value; there are pockets of success for almost all of them. Specific to Mahomes, I believe that pocket is already gone.[/QUOTE] wow, you buy a lot of cool stuff! |
[QUOTE=cyndeeg3;14160268]wow, you buy a lot of cool stuff![/QUOTE]
Trying to pick the next Mike Trout or Tom Brady (or Jordan, or Gretzky) almost always means losing ... but sometimes you get lucky selling when you're supposed to. And sometimes, you don't. But NFL QB's seem to lose their value faster than any other athlete; especially in today's game. |
[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;14160261]Be careful now; your ignorance is showing.
As I've stated many times, Bortles was one of my more profitable investments. When I started buying Blake in 2015, his NT RPA's were selling in the $100 - $150 range and his contenders autos were selling for $30. I gobbled up $15,000 worth and sat tight for the 2015 NFL season. 4,500 yards and 35 TD's later, those same cards were selling for $500 an RPA and $125 a contenders auto. The good patches were selling for close to $1,000. Fortunate timing I suppose, but I unloaded the bulk of the collection in the summer of the 2016 season. Held on to about 45 NT RPA's but moved both SuperBowl 1/1 Tickets, Dozens of Ice, and the 30 best NT RPA patches I had. As of today, Bortles has me in the black for about $31,000 and I still own 55 RPA's. Sell those off for a couple of thousand, and I hope to be $35,000 or so richer as a result of the man. Similar situation w/ Andrew Luck; the timing was fortunate. Point of the story is that while every single QB in the last 10 years has had massive drops in value; there are pockets of success for almost all of them. Specific to Mahomes, I believe that pocket is already gone.[/QUOTE] You were still dead wrong on Bortles in the megathread, but I won't bother bumping. :cool: |
[QUOTE=ninjacookies;14160319]You were still dead wrong on Bortles in the megathread, but I won't bother bumping. :cool:[/QUOTE]
7 weeks ago I looked dead right. How quickly a career is derailed. :( But yes. In terms of betting on the next big NFL player, I'm 0 for everyone. |
[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;14160422]7 weeks ago I looked dead right. How quickly a career is derailed. :(
But yes. In terms of betting on the next big NFL player, I'm 0 for everyone.[/QUOTE] Football is brutal, that's for damn sure. I love me some Saquon, but no way in hell would I actually place my money down on him long term. Just way too many variables and injuries in the sport. :o |
[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;14160280]Trying to pick the next Mike Trout or Tom Brady (or Jordan, or Gretzky) almost always means losing ... but sometimes you get lucky selling when you're supposed to.
And sometimes, you don't. But NFL QB's seem to lose their value faster than any other athlete; especially in today's game.[/QUOTE] A guy on pace for 5500 yds and 55 TDs in his rookie season seems like a good start. The NFL has changed, and barring inujuries, Mahomes will be putting up hefty numbers for years to come. If you believe in the talent, you can't let something like a hypothetical injury stop the investment train. To me stuff like his lower-numbered Optic Holos ($350 for an on-card /99) and Optic Contenders (Essentially his flagship auto) will hold their value and rise with success. Not to mention, probably half of the Mahomes autos out there are streaky junk. So despite the large number of autos available, it's actually hard to find quality ones. |
Mahomes will replace Aaron Rodgers as far as media/hobby interest goes. Excellent talent but FAR more likeable and easy to root for.
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[QUOTE=SirTommyWinAlot;14160495]Mahomes will replace Aaron Rodgers as far as media/hobby interest goes. Excellent talent but FAR more likeable and easy to root for.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure the exact same words were said about Kaepernick. Like literally. |
[QUOTE=RYBOWSKI97;14159793]if winston is selling that much lower than jimmy g then people in this hobby are not very smart. an unproven qb with a horrible injury isnt a very sound investment. sounds like the same people buying kareem hunt stuff right now[/QUOTE]
Winston is also 2 years younger. |
[QUOTE=NoleinJax;14160732]Winston is also 2 years younger.[/QUOTE]
correction: 3 years younger |
[QUOTE=majestik101;14162036]correction: 3 years younger[/QUOTE]
ackchyually 2 years, 2 months, 4 days, 7 hours, 43 minutes and 7 seconds younger. :D |
In his 2nd season, Foles did this in the 10 games that he started:
64% 2891 yds 27 TD 2 INT 9.1 Y/A 119.2 Rating Mahomes might be the better talent, but just be careful gang..that's all i'm saying!! And I know it's a stupid argument, but 7 or 8 TD's were off simple screens that Hunt beasted into the end zone!! Those won't happen every year!! Just be careful, all i'm saying :) |
20K for a card of a QB in his first year starting... on a loaded offensive roster... is lunacy.
Even recently (last 15 years), tell me what player has held his value. There's like 3-4 guys. He's done NOTHING so far. Yeah, stats, but if he never played another down no one would remember this year so far. Even if he wins the SB, but never goes back, that's not a great career. I've been transitioning into graded vintage, on card autographs and proven HOF talent and glad I am. But seriously, in what world does that investment pay out? Everything would need to go right for a long, long time. AND football would have to stay hot, and the economy strong. I just... I don't get it. |
[QUOTE=49erRCCollector;14162094]20K for a card of a QB in his first year starting... on a loaded offensive roster... is lunacy.
Even recently (last 15 years), tell me what player has held his value. There's like 3-4 guys. He's done NOTHING so far. Yeah, stats, but if he never played another down no one would remember this year so far. Even if he wins the SB, but never goes back, that's not a great career. I've been transitioning into graded vintage, on card autographs and proven HOF talent and glad I am. But seriously, in what world does that investment pay out? Everything would need to go right for a long, long time. AND football would have to stay hot, and the economy strong. I just... I don't get it.[/QUOTE] Exactly...Give me a Brees, Rodgers or Brady anytime...At the current prices, if you wanna roll the dice and invest go for Watson, much much cheaper..I love this kid!! |
[QUOTE=starvela;14162116]Exactly...Give me a Brees, Rodgers or Brady anytime...At the current prices, if you wanna roll the dice and invest go for [B]Watson, much much cheaper[/B]..I love this kid!![/QUOTE]
Shhhh. 9 wins in a row and his cards have barely moved. |
[QUOTE=starvela;14162116]Exactly...Give me a Brees, Rodgers or Brady anytime...At the current prices, if you wanna roll the dice and invest go for Watson, much much cheaper..I love this kid!![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NoleinJax;14162119]Shhhh. 9 wins in a row and his cards have barely moved.[/QUOTE] Both of you pipe down please. Thank you :) |
[QUOTE=49erRCCollector;14162094]20K for a card of a QB in his first year starting... on a loaded offensive roster... is lunacy.
Even recently (last 15 years), tell me what player has held his value. There's like 3-4 guys. He's done NOTHING so far. Yeah, stats, but if he never played another down no one would remember this year so far. Even if he wins the SB, but never goes back, that's not a great career. I've been transitioning into graded vintage, on card autographs and proven HOF talent and glad I am. But seriously, in what world does that investment pay out? Everything would need to go right for a long, long time. AND football would have to stay hot, and the economy strong. I just... I don't get it.[/QUOTE] Done nothing so far? What else is there 12 games into your first season besides putting up monster stats and leading your team to the top of the AFC? Saying you just don't get it is a tad overdramatic isn't it? |
[QUOTE=starvela;14162116]Exactly...Give me a Brees, Rodgers or Brady anytime...At the current prices, if you wanna roll the dice and invest go for Watson, much much cheaper..I love this kid!![/QUOTE]
Watson has become a game manager this season akin to Alex Smith and Joe Flacco. One game with over 2 TD passes. 10-12 wins doesn't cut it when you're only throwing 25 TDs and 4000 yds a year. |
[QUOTE=deemsterz33;14162141]Done nothing so far? What else is there 12 games into your first season besides putting up monster stats and leading your team to the top of the AFC?
Saying you just don't get it is a tad overdramatic isn't it?[/QUOTE] In his 2nd season, Foles did this in the 10 games that he started: 64% 2891 yds 27 TD 2 INT 9.1 Y/A 119.2 Rating Mahomes might be the better talent, but just be careful gang..that's all i'm saying!! And I know it's a stupid argument, but 7 or 8 TD's were off simple screens that Hunt beasted into the end zone!! Those won't happen every year!! Just be careful, all i'm saying -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [QUOTE=deemsterz33;14162204]Watson has become a game manager this season akin to Alex Smith and Joe Flacco. One game with over 2 TD passes. 10-12 wins doesn't cut it when you're only throwing 25 TDs and 4000 yds a year.[/QUOTE] I rather take the chance on a $2K Watson Gem Mint NT over a $15K Mahomes Gem Mint NT..That's all I'm saying!! And trust me, Watson is not a game manager, guys makes plays!! Still young, like Mahomes... |
[QUOTE=deemsterz33;14162204]Watson has become a game manager this season akin to Alex Smith and Joe Flacco. One game with over 2 TD passes. 10-12 wins doesn't cut it when you're only throwing 25 TDs and 4000 yds a year.[/QUOTE]
It's still nice to see him rebound like this after his knee injury. He started the first 6 games with 9 TDs & 7 INTs with 7 fumbles. So it's nice to see him go 12 TDs & 2 INTs with 1 fumble over the last 6 games. He was avg. around 36 attempts the first 6 games and now only 24.5 attempts over he last 6 games. I'm sure the coaches saw something and changed the game plan up. |
[QUOTE=starvela;14162230]In his 2nd season, Foles did this in the 10 games that he started:
64% 2891 yds 27 TD 2 INT 9.1 Y/A 119.2 Rating Mahomes might be the better talent, but just be careful gang..that's all i'm saying!! And I know it's a stupid argument, but 7 or 8 TD's were off simple screens that Hunt beasted into the end zone!! Those won't happen every year!! Just be careful, all i'm saying -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I rather take the chance on a $2K Watson Gem Mint NT over a $15K Mahomes Gem Mint NT..That's all I'm saying!! And trust me, Watson is not a game manager, guys makes plays!! Still young, like Mahomes...[/QUOTE] I wouldn't take a chance on either at those prices. Much more of a fan of the lower end NTs and Optic/Optic Contenders ( if you can find a nice auto). |
Mahomes is more of a buy in the offseason. His cards will cool to some extent. I think his Certified RPA's are very nice. The quality control was also better for 17 Certified compared to 18 Certified FB
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[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;14158751]TOM
BRADY[/QUOTE] This is all I wanted to say. |
[QUOTE=deemsterz33;14162141]Done nothing so far? What else is there 12 games into your first season besides putting up monster stats and leading your team to the top of the AFC?
Saying you just don't get it is a tad overdramatic isn't it?[/QUOTE] a tad overdramatic? That's fair. But would you not agree that it's a semi-reasonable response to 20K for a /10 NT RPA for someone who has not played a full season yet? There is context to my "outrage". |
[QUOTE=49erRCCollector;14162673]a tad overdramatic? That's fair. But would you not agree that it's a semi-reasonable response to 20K for a /10 NT RPA for someone who has not played a full season yet? There is context to my "outrage".[/QUOTE]
NTs are always overpriced in my opinion. As I said you can find some really nice on card autos of Mahomes in the $300-350 range, maybe less. |
I just look at the trends.... National Treasure is KING of KINGS.... Price trend wise,it makes me think of NT RPAS of Curry/Giannis whos were 2-5k, then jumped to 10, 20k, and beyond for curry.... But took years for those guys- and thats basketball... But I think it also has to do with the Tom Brady affect where rare rookies like Championship Ticket /100 went from a few grand, to 20,000 to $1000,000 in just a few seasons... People made a fortune off brady, when people said they were overpriced, and no room to go up more etc they still did for years. People are looking for the next great one- And he is right before our eyes, putting up the greatest first year season by an NFL QB anyone has ever seen.
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[QUOTE=cardsharkk;14162889]I just look at the trends.... National Treasure is KING of KINGS.... Price trend wise,it makes me think of NT RPAS of Curry/Giannis whos were 2-5k, then jumped to 10, 20k, and beyond for curry.... But took years for those guys- and thats basketball... But I think it also has to do with the Tom Brady affect where rare rookies like Championship Ticket /100 went from a few grand, to 20,000 to $1000,000 in just a few seasons... People made a fortune off brady, when people said they were overpriced, and no room to go up more etc they still did for years. People are looking for the next great one- And he is right before our eyes, putting up the greatest first year season by an NFL QB anyone has ever seen.[/QUOTE]
I think you have a valid point here. The key is finding players who you think are topped out but have much more room for growth. Mahomes is a rare talent and could continue to rise for years to come |
I feel like situation plus talent is the best determinant of success in the NFL/pricing, and if you think Mahomes on a rookie contract with the talent around him and cap space his contract allows is a negative... you're missing the boat.
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