2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here
 

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It's a trap, don't fall for it.

#Kayne2020

[QUOTE=spuds1961;11164007]It's a trap, don't fall for it.[/QUOTE]

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*peers into politics thread*

Nope nope nope nope...

*runs away*

Not falling for this one.

Houdini is begging for people to get whacked by the ban hammer

I'll start things off.

Why are we always stuck voting for the lesser of two evils? Do people really have no faith in third or fourth parties? If I tell someone in voting for Gary Johnson they say they would too but it's just throwing their vote away. Really?

[QUOTE=houdini;11163989][B]This is the only thread on this forum where your political opinion is welcome.[/B]

All other forum rules still apply.

If you feel the need to insult someone in this thread, you will still be [B]suspended[/B].

If you make a stupid joke/post an image promoting the death of a certain candidate, you will still be [B]suspended[/B].

Keep your politics here and here only. Keep them out of your avatar, your signature, and all others threads.[/QUOTE]

We are witnessing a diabolical genius!!!
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[b]CLINTON2016[/b]
[u]nevertrump
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OMG Houdini is April Fooling us all

[QUOTE=corndog;11164106]We are witnessing a diabolical genius!!!
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It is pretty shrewd by the Mad Magician ;)

[QUOTE=deansayso;11164088]I'll start things off.

Why are we always stuck voting for the lesser of two evils? Do people really have no faith in third or fourth parties? If I tell someone in voting for Gary Johnson they say they would too but it's just throwing their vote away. Really?[/QUOTE]

I've never seen Libertarians pull more than a single digit percentage of votes, and the most they accomplish is to throw an election. Virginia, for instance, has it's current Dem governor because the Lib candidate pulled enough votes from the Repubs to allow the Dems to win. IMO Hillary presents enough of a threat to the republic to support the Repub candidate. If Libertarians garner enough votes to throw that election then history will judge them.

I'm voting for the Baconator for president.

It's depressing that Republicans have to milk the 2nd Amendment cow so much. The right to own guns will never be taken away. It's like when kids think being under the covers will protect them from monsters.

The monster isn't real.

I still think this thread won't last.

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[QUOTE=Ephland;11164189]The right to own guns will never be taken away. [/QUOTE]

Is a right on paper worth anything if it is completely untenable in practice?

If nominated, I will not run.
If elected, I will not serve.

(But please elect me anyway.)

[QUOTE=HBMC;11164238]Is a right on paper worth anything if it is completely untenable in practice?[/QUOTE]

I guess that depends on the legal standing of the document. Which, in this regard, seems pretty solid.

Who wants my opinion on this subject?

Our country is a giant lawn.
Politics are the upkeep of that lawn.
Mow that lawn, sir.
Mow it hard.

Dr. Ben Carson says that people "need to rise up and take America back."

Couple of questions:

Where is America currently, who do we need to take it back from, and how will we know when we have it back?

[QUOTE=Ephland;11164255]I guess that depends on the legal standing of the document. Which, in this regard, seems pretty solid.[/QUOTE]

That's hilarious considering the entire process around the rule of law (as it is practiced now) is essentially based off of who you know and who you are.

Soooo can we not vote in Trump?

That would be great....

[QUOTE=Ephland;11164269]Dr. Ben Carson says that people "need to rise up and take America back."

Couple of questions:

Where is America currently, who do we need to take it back from, and how will we know when we have it back?[/QUOTE]


There is too much government for one. There needs to be welfare reform. Manufacturing and industry need to come back to the U.S. There is plenty more but that is a good start. I know it doesn't answer the direct question of "from who" but you get the point.:D

[QUOTE=Ephland;11164269]Dr. Ben Carson says that people "need to rise up and take America back."

Couple of questions:

Where is America currently, who do we need to take it back from, and how will we know when we have it back?[/QUOTE]

According to a Carson spokesman (a talking oil painting of Dr. Ben himself), America is currently hidden away in Saul Alinsky's old lunch pail, which bears the design of the popular 1970's weekly NBC-TV action series, "Lucifer and The Wreckin' Crew".

Once we have it back, we'll know right away, as it's very hard to carry.

I'm looking forward to riding dinosaurs again, just like grandpa used to.

If only Trump could just reel it in a little bit and learn to have more of a filter when speaking publicly where it is to be heard by a more demographically diverse group of people then I think he may be a viable candidate. Problem is, he just seems to be getting nuttier as this thing goes on.

[QUOTE=sportzluvr1;11164318]If only Trump could just reel it in a little bit and learn to have more of a filter when speaking publicly where it is to be heard by a more demographically diverse group of people then I think he may be a viable candidate. Problem is, he just seems to be getting nuttier as this thing goes on.[/QUOTE]


He does go off from time to time but I like his energy. Republicans have been too quiet for too long.

I am truly worried about my 8 year old Daughter's future.

Does anyone here think Trump or Clinton will make it more than 4 years?

They're gonna have to do some GREAT things for them to be re-elected in my opinion.

Still having a tough decision on who exactly to vote for atm.

Seems like it would be tough, but then again, there's only been one in the last 35 years unable to win re-election.

I'm going to try not to get too wrapped up in this thread... But I'll bite. A few opinions:

-Why do we still let the Constitution dictate so much of our lives and laws? There are SO many things that are commonplace in our world now that the founding fathers never could have even imagined. I.e. the internet, phones, how common guns have become, etc. Doesn't seem like we should still use a document hundreds of years old as the centerpiece of our laws

-Please for the love of God, don't vote for Trump. I don't know how anyone could consider doing so, honestly. If you don't want to vote for Hillary, fine. But Trump? It's absolutely mind blowing he is the person the Republican party has come up with. The idea that that man has a chance to be the President of the United States his absolutely horrifying. Don't make the mistake of voting for probably THE least qualified presidential candidate ever


Had something else but I'm blanking, so that's it for now

This. Is. Awesome. Thanks Mods :)

A lot of people I work with love Trump but even they were disappointed in his VP pick. They wanted some sort of minority to help him win their votes( I know..), now it's two white guys vs Hillary and god knows what.

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;11164384]I'm going to try not to get too wrapped up in this thread... But I'll bite. A few opinions:

-Why do we still let the Constitution dictate so much of our lives and laws? There are SO many things that are commonplace in our world now that the founding fathers never could have even imagined. I.e. the internet, phones, how common guns have become, etc. Doesn't seem like we should still use a document hundreds of years old as the centerpiece of our laws

-Please for the love of God, don't vote for Trump. I don't know how anyone could consider doing so, honestly. If you don't want to vote for Hillary, fine. But Trump? It's absolutely mind blowing he is the person the Republican party has come up with. The idea that that man has a chance to be the President of the United States his absolutely horrifying. Don't make the mistake of voting for probably THE least qualified presidential candidate ever


Had something else but I'm blanking, so that's it for now[/QUOTE]

If I vote, I will be voting for Trump. He scares the corrupt, run by special interest group politicians and I for one like that. My saying is: If the corrupt politicians tell you not to vote for person A, that's when you vote for person A. When politicians tell you that you don't need a gun, buy two guns.

I know I just said I'm going to try to now get myself wrapped up in this, but I can't help it

Do you also like his claims that all Mexicans are rapists, plans to deport all Muslims, mocking disabled people, general condescending attitude towards essentially everyone, and a complete lack of knowledge of seemingly everything? I'm all for getting rid of corruption in politics. But if you think electing Donald Trump is the best way to do that, you are ignoring basically everything else about him.

[QUOTE=Davesportscards;11164396]If I vote, I will be voting for Trump. He scares the corrupt, run by special interest group politicians and I for one like that. My saying is: If the corrupt politicians tell you not to vote for person A, that's when you vote for person A. When politicians tell you that you don't need a gun, buy two guns.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;11164384]I'm going to try not to get too wrapped up in this thread... But I'll bite. A few opinions:

-Why do we still let the Constitution dictate so much of our lives and laws? There are SO many things that are commonplace in our world now that the founding fathers never could have even imagined. I.e. the internet, phones, how common guns have become, etc. Doesn't seem like we should still use a document hundreds of years old as the centerpiece of our laws

-Please for the love of God, don't vote for Trump. I don't know how anyone could consider doing so, honestly. If you don't want to vote for Hillary, fine. But Trump? It's absolutely mind blowing he is the person the Republican party has come up with. The idea that that man has a chance to be the President of the United States his absolutely horrifying. Don't make the mistake of voting for probably THE least qualified presidential candidate ever


Had something else but I'm blanking, so that's it for now[/QUOTE]

Hard to trust a guy that has created a 4.5 billion dollar empire that employs 22 thousand people. :rolleyes:

Looking back I'm sure he would rather have taken the low road of pocketing millions for giving 20 minute speeches to banks. And let's not forget about Chelsea's gig with the Clinton Foundation. Check out how well run it is.

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;11164417]I know I just said I'm going to try to now get myself wrapped up in this, but I can't help it

Do you also like his claims that all Mexicans are rapists, plans to deport all Muslims, mocking disabled people, general condescending attitude towards essentially everyone, and a complete lack of knowledge of seemingly everything? I'm all for getting rid of corruption in politics. But if you think electing Donald Trump is the best way to do that, you are ignoring basically everything else about him.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure you got that information from your Facebook friends.

I am hispanic. I have two sisters in Mexico. I try my best to keep up with politics. I also just so happen to be voting for Trump.

I voted twice for Obama. Have no issues admitting it, but no way in hell I vote for Clinton. Even my parents voted for Obama twice and they won't vote for Clinton. I know a lot of people that feel the same. If she wasn't a former First Lady, she'd be in a load of #@#@#@#@ right now.

Who you vote for is your choice. I don't care what your background is. Why anybody would think Trump is a good choice is absolutely beyond me. You are ignoring so much common sense. It's time for me to leave this thread for now

[QUOTE=jarrodsalas;11164421]I'm sure you got that information from your Facebook friends.

I am hispanic. I have two sisters in Mexico. I try my best to keep up with politics. I also just so happen to be voting for Trump.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;11164426]Who you vote for is your choice. I don't care what your background is. Why anybody would think Trump is a good choice is absolutely beyond me. You are ignoring so much common sense. It's time for me to leave this thread for now[/QUOTE]

Trump is more qualified than our community organizer in chief was when he was elected. I think the unknown of Trump is far better than the known of Hillary

I just wish there was some way to settle this...

[QUOTE=Timmay;11164431]Trump is more qualified than our community organizer in chief was when he was elected. I think the unknown of Trump is far better than the known of Hillary[/QUOTE]

You are missing a big key point there. A community organizer from SOUTH CHICAGO.

Please explain that further...

[QUOTE=deansayso;11164088]I'll start things off.

Why are we always stuck voting for the lesser of two evils? Do people really have no faith in third or fourth parties? If I tell someone in voting for Gary Johnson they say they would too but it's just throwing their vote away. Really?[/QUOTE]

I'm reregistering LP on Thursday. I'm waiting only because the local LP organization is doing a party-switching party that day.

Johnson/Weld 2016. Cast a vote you won't have to lie to your kids about.

[QUOTE=jdandns;11164465]Please explain that further...[/QUOTE]

It's easier to find a made member of the Mafia (or a street gang enforcer) in Chicago politics than an honest person.

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;11164384]I'm going to try not to get too wrapped up in this thread... But I'll bite. A few opinions:

-Why do we still let the Constitution dictate so much of our lives and laws? There are SO many things that are commonplace in our world now that the founding fathers never could have even imagined. I.e. the internet, phones, how common guns have become, etc. Doesn't seem like we should still use a document hundreds of years old as the centerpiece of our laws

-Please for the love of God, don't vote for Trump. I don't know how anyone could consider doing so, honestly. If you don't want to vote for Hillary, fine. But Trump? It's absolutely mind blowing he is the person the Republican party has come up with. The idea that that man has a chance to be the President of the United States his absolutely horrifying. Don't make the mistake of voting for probably THE least qualified presidential candidate ever


Had something else but I'm blanking, so that's it for now[/QUOTE]
Putting aside the dig on the Constitution and the rhetoric, I'll focus on the comment about Trump possibly being the least qualified candidate in history.

This got me thinking who would have been the least qualified candidates (based on previous political experience) in history to have won the Presidency. Thinking objectively, the choices are probably, in order of election:

1. Washington - 2 1/2 months as a delegate in the Continental Congress, and Army General/Commander in Chief of the Army.
2. Lincoln - aside from a few years at the state level, just 1 term as a Congressman.
3. Grant - Commanding General of the Army.
4. Wilson - 2 years as Governor of New Jersey. Prior to that, President of Princeton.
5. Eisenhower - Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces.
6. George W. Bush - Almost 6 years as Governor of Texas. Prior to that, Owner of the Rangers.
7. Obama - aside from a few years at the state level, not quite 1 term as a Senator.

Note: I am not saying Trump is like any of those 7. Also, I am sure there are plenty of less qualified candidates who ran and lost.

What [I]is[/I] interesting about the 7 is all of them ended up getting elected to a 2nd term.

Saw the title only and thought who on earth would have the audacity to start a ... Wh.. Wh... Whaaaaaaat?????!!!!

I didn't vote once for Obama, and I'm glad I didn't.

I won't vote for Hillary or Trump, because I'm tired of voting for the ''lesser of two evils'', to be honest.

In the same way that Obama got a lot of votes from the young and the minorities BECAUSE he was black, Trump will get votes from the older and WHITE population because he's ''speaking their language'', regarding MEXICANS and MUSLIMS.

I think Hillary is an f'ing bonehead, and a disaster waiting to happen...

I don't believe this warrants a suspension.

Please do correct me if I'm wrong, but surely you can't be suggesting that Donald Trump today is more qualified that Barack Obama was in 2010 to be President?

[QUOTE=Timmay;11164431]Trump is more qualified than our community organizer in chief was when he was elected. I think the unknown of Trump is far better than the known of Hillary[/QUOTE]

It is interesting how 2 of the most highly regarded Presidents in our history show up as 1/2 on this list. Granted, I have no knowledge or desire to fact check this list, so I'll assume you're not trying to hide something from me :)! But these guys all have had at the minimum multiple [I]years[/I] of experience in a political setting (ignoring Washington because our political system wasn't created before he became President). Has Trump ever so much as ran for office on any level before now? That's why I'm curious as to if I'm reading Timmay's post I quoted above correctly. If I have interpreted it correctly, I'm very intrigued as to how he could possibly rationally support that claim, as Trump has literally no previous political experience. Obviously his businesses have done him well. But business is quite the different setting from politics

[QUOTE=Skipscards;11164479]Putting aside the dig on the Constitution and the rhetoric, I'll focus on the comment about Trump possibly being the least qualified candidate in history.

This got me thinking who would have been the least qualified candidates (based on previous political experience) in history to have won the Presidency. Thinking objectively, the choices are probably, in order of election:

1. Washington - 2 1/2 months as a delegate in the Continental Congress, and Army General/Commander in Chief of the Army.
2. Lincoln - aside from a few years at the state level, just 1 term as a Congressman.
3. Grant - Commanding General of the Army.
4. Wilson - 2 years as Governor of New Jersey. Prior to that, President of Princeton.
5. Eisenhower - Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces.
6. George W. Bush - Almost 6 years as Governor of Texas. Prior to that, Owner of the Rangers.
7. Obama - aside from a few years at the state level, not quite 1 term as a Senator.

Note: I am not saying Trump is like any of those 7. Also, I am sure there are plenty of less qualified candidates who ran and lost.

What [I]is[/I] interesting about the 7 is all of them ended up getting elected to a 2nd term.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NickM;11164474]It's easier to find a made member of the Mafia (or a street gang enforcer) in Chicago politics than an honest person.[/QUOTE]

But what does that have to do with someone from Kenya?

What?
Oh.
Never mind.

Melania Trump: "These accusations about my speech hurt not only me, but also hurt my children Sasha and Malia."

[QUOTE=Cervantes;11164489]
I don't believe this warrants a suspension.[/QUOTE]

If you are unable to find your belt, that does warrant suspenders.

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;11164417]I know I just said I'm going to try to now get myself wrapped up in this, but I can't help it

Do you also like his claims that all Mexicans are rapists, plans to deport all Muslims, mocking disabled people, general condescending attitude towards essentially everyone, and a complete lack of knowledge of seemingly everything? I'm all for getting rid of corruption in politics. But if you think electing Donald Trump is the best way to do that, you are ignoring basically everything else about him.[/QUOTE]

He never said "all" Mexicans are rapists. He said the U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody elses problems. He said; "They're (Mexico) not sending their best, they're not sending you, they're not sending you,they're sending people with lots of problems, they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some, I assume are good people."

As for deporting Muslims, I cannot find where he said this. All I can find (and recall) is that he wants to put a stop to Muslims entering the Country. And based on how things are playing out, that's fine with me; Orlando, San Bernadino, Brussels, the overrun Dearborne, MI and more (feel free to go on youtube and search "Dearborn, MI no go zone").

As for "mocking disabled people", he mocked one disabled reporter which I will say was crossing the line and despicable. But mocking one disabled person is not going to make me not vote for him. FTR, I have a (mentally) disabled family member.

I'd like to tongue punch Ivanka Trump.

My god is better than your god. Opps! Wrong topic. Go back to discussing which idiot is less idiotic.

[QUOTE=Davesportscards;11164570]
As for "mocking disabled people", he mocked one disabled reporter which I will say was crossing the line and despicable. But mocking one disabled person is not going to make me not vote for him. FTR, I have a (mentally) disabled family member.[/QUOTE]

How about two? Give him time. He'll get to it eventually.

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[QUOTE=houdini;11163989]This is the only thread on this forum where your political opinion is welcome.

All other forum rules still apply.

If you feel the need to insult someone in this thread, you will still be suspended.

If you make a stupid joke/post an image promoting the death of a certain candidate, you will still be suspended.

Keep your politics here and here only. Keep them out of your avatar, your signature, and all others threads.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;11164457]Houdini's political thread was a terrible idea. I've typed out and deleted at least 4 different posts already. I've accepted that there's a lot of idiots in this world and some of them are on BO. Going to do my best to stay away from that thread[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Homerun;11164495]I 100% agree with you regarding Trump. How anyone is voting for that...um...pile of doggy doo doo is beyond me. I don't particularly like Hillary either, but this country would be in even worse shape than it already is if Trump was elected IMO.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;11164586]+1. But let's keep that stuff outta here just in case the mods track it down and decide to do something about it. Even though I doubt there's more than 3 people outside of our group that read this thread :)![/QUOTE]

I guess you missed the first post of this thread. :coffee: This is why we can't have nice things.

I'm waiting for the real political talk to start...Chelsea vs Ivanka pictures!

For the record, the image I posted above is a "bat signal" for groundsupport. Not an insult towards our great community organizer.

[QUOTE=jarrodsalas;11164421]I'm sure you got that information from your Facebook friends.

I am [B][U]hispanic[/U][/B]. I have two sisters in Mexico. I try my best to keep up with politics. I also just so happen to be voting for Trump.[/QUOTE]

Wut? Why?

Oh, maybe this should be in the "CONTROVERSIAL" thread.

Carry on.

I'll agree with the post from jdandns I quoted here in my last post in this thread for the night. Fine, you're right, technically he never said "all" Mexicans are rapists. He "only" insinuated that the majority of people coming across the border illegally are rapists and killers. Fine, maybe he has never outright said he wants to deport all Muslims, but he certainly has suggested it pretty blatantly. It's easy to find, Google it yourself. If you truly think banning Muslims from entering the U.S. is a wise idea, I have no words. How quick people are to forget that it was white Americans that committed Charleston, Sandy Hook, Aurora, and many more mass shootings in our recent history. Should we bar all whites from entering the country? As to the reporter incident, see jdandns. It's inexcusable. When have you EVER seen a Presidential candidate even a fraction as disrespectful as Trump? You probably have to go back to the slave era. I'm not just talking about the disabled reporter incident. It's a travesty that people support someone who conducts himself like this in public

Gotta get away from this thread for awhile, see yall later

[QUOTE=Davesportscards;11164570]He never said "all" Mexicans are rapists. He said the U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody elses problems. He said; "They're (Mexico) not sending their best, they're not sending you, they're not sending you,they're sending people with lots of problems, they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some, I assume are good people."

As for deporting Muslims, I cannot find where he said this. All I can find (and recall) is that he wants to put a stop to Muslims entering the Country. And based on how things are playing out, that's fine with me; Orlando, San Bernadino, Brussels, the overrun Dearborne, MI and more (feel free to go on youtube and search "Dearborn, MI no go zone").

As for "mocking disabled people", he mocked one disabled reporter which I will say was crossing the line and despicable. But mocking one disabled person is not going to make me not vote for him. FTR, I have a (mentally) disabled family member.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=jdandns;11164589]How about two? Give him time. He'll get to it eventually.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;11164613]I'll agree with the post from jdandns I quoted here in my last post in this thread for the night. Fine, you're right, technically he never said "all" Mexicans are rapists. He "only" insinuated that the majority of people coming across the border illegally are rapists and killers. Fine, maybe he has never outright said he wants to deport all Muslims, but he certainly has suggested it pretty blatantly. It's easy to find, Google it yourself. If you truly think banning Muslims from entering the U.S. is a wise idea, I have no words. [B]How quick people are to forget that it was white Americans that committed Charleston, Sandy Hook, Aurora, and many more mass shootings in our recent history[/B]. Should we bar all whites from entering the country? As to the reporter incident, see jdandns. It's inexcusable. When have you EVER seen a Presidential candidate even a fraction as disrespectful as Trump? You probably have to go back to the slave era. I'm not just talking about the disabled reporter incident. It's a travesty that people support someone who conducts himself like this in public

Gotta get away from this thread for awhile, see yall later[/QUOTE]

This is 'Murica. Duh.

Born here, to American parents, and it's a ''mental issue'', not terrorism.

I loved this scene from Louis CK's new show Horace and Pete (great show BTW). It would behoove many people in this thread to watch and learn about this. Let's stop shouting our opinions at each other and maybe we can come to some kind of common ground. Political discussion isn't a sports where we should try to "win".

Warning, some NSFW language in here:

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[QUOTE=tacoma34;11164607]For the record, the image I posted above is a "bat signal" for groundsupport. Not an insult towards our great community organizer.[/QUOTE]

For those who don't know, that image is the actor who played Satan in a recent TV movie and it is groundsupport's Blowout avatar. It was either was meant to be a knock on Obama or else groundsupport's way of indicating his deep love and admiration for the actual Lord of the Underworld.
I was never sure.

Where is GS anyway?
These two new threads are tailor made for him.

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;11164613]I'll agree with the post from jdandns I quoted here in my last post in this thread for the night. [B]Fine, you're right, technically he never said "all" Mexicans are rapists.[/B] He "only" insinuated that the majority of people coming across the border illegally are rapists and killers. [B]Fine, maybe he has never outright said he wants to deport all Muslims,[/B] but he certainly has suggested it pretty blatantly. It's easy to find, Google it yourself. If you truly think banning Muslims from entering the U.S. is a wise idea, I have no words. How quick people are to forget that it was white Americans that committed Charleston, Sandy Hook, Aurora, and many more mass shootings in our recent history. Should we bar all whites from entering the country? As to the reporter incident, see jdandns. It's inexcusable. When have you EVER seen a Presidential candidate even a fraction as disrespectful as Trump? You probably have to go back to the slave era. I'm not just talking about the disabled reporter incident. It's a travesty that people support someone who conducts himself like this in public

Gotta get away from this thread for awhile, see yall later[/QUOTE]

I rest my case on the bolded.

Muslim is not a race. White aka Caucasian is a race. You're comparing a race (whites) to a religion/ideology (Muslim).

[QUOTE=Davesportscards;11164633]I rest my case on the bolded.

Muslim is not a race. White aka Caucasian is a race. You're comparing a race (whites) to a religion/ideology (Muslim).[/QUOTE]

You are correct, but I am of the opinion that Trump is like a lot of misinformed people who thing that Arabs, Pakis, etc. are automatically Muslim.

Kind of like people who STILL swear that Obama is a Muslim.

The same people who think that ALL brown, spanish speaking people are ILLEGAL MEXICANS, even if they're from Cuba.

As a gun toting Republican that will be supporting Trump because Hilary is worse, I can see where Obama comes from on not using the term "radical Islam" and those types of terms to describe our enemy. There is a group of the general public that is completely inept that will/has used that term to label all muslims as "radical". He doesn't want the "crazies" to come out in full force with a war against the muslim religion.

But, by not condemning the actions of some members of BLM and inviting leaders of the group to the White House, he is feeding those same type of "crazy" minds to that he tries to prevent with the muslims. It's pretty sad he does not see this connection.

[QUOTE=tacoma34;11164639]As a gun toting Republican that will be supporting Trump because Hilary is worse, I can see where Obama comes from on not using the term "radical Islam" and those types of terms to describe our enemy. There is a group of the general public that is completely inept that will/has used that term to label all muslims as "radical". He doesn't want the "crazies" to come out in full force with a war against the muslim religion.

But, by not condemning the actions of some members of BLM and inviting leaders of the group to the White House, he is feeding those same type of "crazy" minds to that he tries to prevent with the muslims. It's pretty sad he does not see this connection.[/QUOTE]

I agree with your reasoning regarding our country's administration and BLM.

I will say that I'm a gun toting American who won't vote for the lesser of two evils anymore.

I quit that in 2008.

[QUOTE=tacoma34;11164639]As a gun toting Republican that will be supporting Trump because Hilary is worse, I can see where Obama comes from on not using the term "radical Islam" and those types of terms to describe our enemy. There is a group of the general public that is completely inept that will/has used that term to label all muslims as "radical". [B]He doesn't want the "crazies" to come out in full force with a war against the muslim religion. [/B]

But, by not condemning the actions of some members of BLM and inviting leaders of the group to the White House, he is feeding those same type of "crazy" minds to that he tries to prevent with the muslims. It's pretty sad he does not see this connection.[/QUOTE]

Check out "Dearborn, MI no go zone" on youtube.

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Hey, where is GroundSupport these days? Oh, wait, suspended again.

[QUOTE=Cervantes;11164644]I agree with your reasoning regarding our country's administration and BLM.

I will say that I'm a gun toting American who won't vote for the lesser of two evils anymore.

I quit that in 2008.[/QUOTE]

"We will get what we deserve". This whole world would be a lot better if people turned off the TV's and picked up a book.

BLM and the Trump movement both have good qualities, but the problem is that each are being taken advantage of by people who have deep seated hatred. They are using each as a facade to display their hate in public. It's always been there, but it's now easier to display on the streets. The media is there to broadcast it 24/7 to the public, which is reaching more of these types of people.

The thing with Trump is that he has such a thin skin when it comes to being attacked or having something he said being criticized. He is used to having yes men around him, so to have people on such a large scale disagree with him or call him out on some of the racist and misogynistic things he has said took him aback. He doesn't know how to handle it (though he seems to have been coached pretty well about dialing it back).

I've never liked the idea of businessmen becoming involved in politics because running a business is completely different than running a government. The best President, IMO, would be someone who had been a governor or at the very least a few years experience in congress.

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[QUOTE=tacoma34;11164654]"We will get what we deserve". This whole world would be a lot better if people turned off the TV's and picked up a book.

BLM and the Trump movement both have good qualities, but the problem is that each are being taken advantage of by people who have deep seated hatred. They are using each as a facade to display their hate in public. It's always been there, but it's now easier to display on the streets. The media is there to broadcast it 24/7 to the public, which is reaching more of these types of people.[/QUOTE]

Very true, but if everyone picked up a book, how would we be entertained?

:cool:

I agree with your assessment on Trump and BLM; they both have basic, good intentions, which used in the correct way, could be extremely productive.

The hate, the racism, the ignorance overshadows it all, though.