KLaw's Midseason Top 50 Prospects
 

For Insiders. Now [B]that's[/B] where Bregman belongs.

[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/insider/post?id=5341]Top 50 MLB prospects: Astros' Alex Bregman leaps to midseason No. 1 - Keith Law Blog- ESPN[/url]

I like it better than Baseball Propsectus' list since it accounts more for this year's performance. Also nice that it includes 2016 draftees, unlike BA.

What's the upside on Bregmann? Are we talking Kyle Seager or Cory Seager upsizewise?

I didn't think he was going to have so much power.

#15 to #1 the anticipation is real.

This is the first list I've seen with Verdugo over Bellinger and I've been waiting for it for quite some time. Kudos to Law for being the first to make that call.

Can someone post the list for all the non-insiders?

[QUOTE=Jaypers;11142790]For Insiders. Now [B]that's[/B] where Bregman belongs.

[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/insider/post?id=5341]Top 50 MLB prospects: Astros' Alex Bregman leaps to midseason No. 1 - Keith Law Blog- ESPN[/url][/QUOTE]

I am actually proud of him for getting this right. Moncada will have his time at #1 but Bregman HAS to be # one the same way Bryant HAD to be # one when it was between he and Buxton.

Also, I'm an outsider so if anyone has the full list definitely interested:p

1.Bregman
2.Giolito
3.Benintendi
4.Crawford
5.Moncada
6.Urias
7.Devers
8.Glasnow
9.Rodgers
10.Robles
11.Reyes
12.Swanson
13.Rosario
14,Espinoza
15.Albies
16.Arcia
17.Newman
18.Gallo
19.Meadows
20.Margot
21.Brinson
22.Shipley
23.Judge
24.Berrios
25.Barreto
26.Torres
27.Happ
28.Adames
29.Jiminez
30.Clark
31.Dahl
32.Tucker
33.Ray
34.Frazier
35.Moniak
36.Sanchez
37.Verdugo
38.Allard
39.Stephenson
40.Alfaro
41.Sisco
42.Mondesi
43.Rutherford
44.Smith
45.Kopech
46.Ortiz
47.Newcomb
48.Bellinger
49.Mendez
50.Mateo

HONORABLE MENTION: Stewart, Hoffman, Puk, Honeywell, Senzel, Jay, Harvey

He's a Josh Hater

Thx for the list Mateo at 50? Weird. But love Mendez at 49.

[QUOTE=dasiegel;11143193]Thx for the list Mateo at 50? Weird. But love Mendez at 49.[/QUOTE]

He can't keep up with Rosario

How many players from the draft made it? I only recognize Ray and Moniak

My boy Verdugo stepping up!!!

[QUOTE=enbambam6986;11143203]He can't keep up with Rosario[/QUOTE]

Lol maybe but they should be very close to each other

[QUOTE=RandysHobby;11143227]My boy Verdugo stepping up!!![/QUOTE]

And bellinger

I know it's one spot but I don't think theirs anyway Crawford is better than Moncada

[QUOTE=enbambam6986;11143219]How many players from the draft made it? I only recognize Ray and Moniak[/QUOTE]

Rutherford, OF, NYY

In the HM section you've got Puk an Senzel.

Surprised Frazier dropped to 34. He is having a solid season. Was higher in most pre-season rankings I saw

Devers at 7? Wow.

Like Margot at 20, just like how BP had him at 16... but BA at 39 is lolz

Surpised he has Meadows all the way down at 19

3.Benintendi
5.Moncada
7.Devers

ugh the red sox are going to be good for a long time, aren't they?

wonder if BA backing down on Devers made KLaw double-down on his

[QUOTE=ALBASKETBALL;11143366]Surprised Frazier dropped to 34. He is having a solid season. Was higher in most pre-season rankings I saw[/QUOTE]

Keith Law had Frazier at #72 to begin the season.

[QUOTE=ALBASKETBALL;11143366]Surprised Frazier dropped to 34. He is having a solid season. Was higher in most pre-season rankings I saw[/QUOTE]

Not true with Law, this is a step up from him! Law always had him in the 50-60s

:)!

am I missing something but how is Jeff Hoffmann not on the list? I've read he's going to be up soon as well.

Honorable Mentions:
Kohl Stewart, RHP, Twins
Jeff Hoffman, RHP, Rockies
A.J. Puk, LHP, A's
Brent Honeywell, RHP, Rays
Nick Senzel, 3B, Reds
Tyler Jay, LHP, Twins
Hunter Harvey, RHP, Orioles

[QUOTE=rutgersjpm;11143417]Keith Law had Frazier at #72 to begin the season.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShadeTree;11143674]Not true with Law, this is a step up from him! Law always had him in the 50-60s

:)![/QUOTE]

Thanks:)! Can't pull up ESPN at work:doh: Other sites I looked at had Frazier much higher

[QUOTE=HitandRun24;11143277]I know it's one spot but I don't think theirs anyway Crawford is better than Moncada[/QUOTE]

The list is messed up and in fairness all lists are messed up. Law in particular is usually pretty accurate but throws a few of "his guys" in there really high. Hey Kevin Newman, how are you? I literally bought some Newman only because I know he will consistently be high on Law's lists so some people will buy him.

Urias has pitched 36 innings this year and has 44 K and during certain innings has demonstrated top 5 pitcher type arsenal. How is he not top 5, or behind Giolito... or Crawford... or Benintendi?

Mateo at 50 is honestly a joke and yes I have a bunch of Mateo but if you have Rosario at 13 you can't have Mateo at 50. And you definitely can't have guys like Sanchez and Allard and Ortiz over him, it's just a sign he doesn't like Mateo and you'll have to look for him on BA's lists.

Barreto in the top 25 and some other calls are just questionable.

I mean look, it's his opinion, and it's an informed opinion but it's still just an opinion. Maybe some guys get a bump when these lists come out but for the most part it's how these players perform which is why Devers at 7 isn't crazy and Shipley at 30.

46. Ortiz

Which one?

[QUOTE=Marc22a;11143850]46. Ortiz

Which one?[/QUOTE]

Luis.

[QUOTE=dasiegel;11143846]The list is messed up and in fairness all lists are messed up. Law in particular is usually pretty accurate but throws a few of "his guys" in there really high. Hey Kevin Newman, how are you? I literally bought some Newman only because I know he will consistently be high on Law's lists so some people will buy him.

Urias has pitched 36 innings this year and has 44 K and during certain innings has demonstrated top 5 pitcher type arsenal. How is he not top 5, or behind Giolito... or Crawford... or Benintendi?

[B]Mateo at 50 is honestly a joke and yes I have a bunch of Mateo but if you have Rosario at 13 you can't have Mateo at 50. And you definitely can't have guys like Sanchez and Allard and Ortiz over him, it's just a sign he doesn't like Mateo and you'll have to look for him on BA's lists.[/B]

Barreto in the top 25 and some other calls are just questionable.

I mean look, it's his opinion, and it's an informed opinion but it's still just an opinion. Maybe some guys get a bump when these lists come out but for the most part it's how these players perform which is why Devers at 7 isn't crazy and Shipley at 30.[/QUOTE]


Shipley has major league 2 or 3 starter stuff. Swtiching from SS to pitcher in three years and pitching in AAA is solid.

How can anyone who watched Mateo play with the Yankees in the spring and watched Rosario in the Futures Game have Rosario ahead of him? Rosario is going to be a good major league shortstop, but Mateo is going to be a All Star shortstop. There's a huge difference there... (I have stashes of both).

This list stinks like Turner Field during a rain storm.

Where is Maverick Phillips ?

[QUOTE=rcspur;11143908]Shipley has major league 2 or 3 starter stuff. Switching from SS to pitcher in three years and pitching in AAA is solid.

How can anyone who watched Mateo play with the Yankees in the spring and watched Rosario in the Futures Game have Rosario ahead of him? Rosario is going to be a good major league shortstop, but Mateo is going to be a All Star shortstop. There's a huge difference there... (I have stashes of both).[/QUOTE]

Same here I have both Mateo and Rosario stuff so it's definitely not a slight on Rosario but there is a major speed difference. Rosario has a slightly better hit tool and arm and that's about it. Speed and power go to Mateo. I wonder if the recent outburst cost him some spots.

On MLB this year Rosario was #69 and Mateo was #26. That is a pretty drastic switch considering Rosario is really having his first good year this year.

Shipley is just an example of a 24 y/o being too high on a list with a lot of great names behind him. I don't think he has #2/3 starter potential personally. Doesn't really strike people out either. But don't know as much about him as he isn't on my radar.

Mateo just saw the list

[IMG]http://www.milb.com/assets/images/4/6/2/166350462/cuts/Mateo960_3hhcqzwo_5v540b9j.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=enbambam6986;11144050]Mateo just saw the list

[IMG]http://www.milb.com/assets/images/4/6/2/166350462/cuts/Mateo960_3hhcqzwo_5v540b9j.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

At least there's no Miguel Andujar

Mateo and Rosario don't have to be constantly grouped/ranked near each other. Rosario has taken a major step up this year with the bat, and Mateo has a taken a step backwards, both with the bat against better competition, and with his makeup. It's not a stretch that Rosario is now the definitive better prospect.

[QUOTE=rcspur;11143908]Shipley has major league 2 or 3 starter stuff. Swtiching from SS to pitcher in three years and pitching in AAA is solid.

How can anyone who watched Mateo play with the Yankees in the spring and watched Rosario in the Futures Game have Rosario ahead of him? Rosario is going to be a good major league shortstop, but Mateo is going to be a All Star shortstop. There's a huge difference there... (I have stashes of both).[/QUOTE]

Can't steal 1st and yankees spring training gets hyped every year big time, remember Mariano said Manny Banuelos was the best pitching prospect he's seen, well he's in AA and probably a Loogy at best.

[QUOTE=daeve;11144283]Mateo and Rosario don't have to be constantly grouped/ranked near each other. Rosario has taken a major step up this year with the bat, and Mateo has a taken a step backwards, both with the bat against better competition, and with his makeup. It's not a stretch that Rosario is now the definitive better prospect.[/QUOTE]

Rosario also is almost as fast a runner BTW and is also younger. Mateo also has hit under .200 for the last 40 games...

[QUOTE=Peties Army;11142898]What's the upside on Bregmann? Are we talking Kyle Seager or Cory Seager upsizewise?
I didn't think he was going to have so much power.[/QUOTE]

You are not alone. Many of the people I read didnt think he was this good. Many think this is somewhat sustainable. He did have 2 very favorable home parks though for hitting.

[QUOTE=rutgersjpm;11142984]This is the first list I've seen with Verdugo over Bellinger and I've been waiting for it for quite some time. Kudos to Law for being the first to make that call.[/QUOTE]

Verdugo will be the better overall play probably. Nice outfield arm and can run a bit. He will hit for a lot higher average than Bellinger but less power. Bellinger can however really field his position.

[QUOTE=psumac;11143402]
3.Benintendi
5.Moncada
7.Devers

ugh the red sox are going to be good for a long time, aren't they?[/QUOTE]

You are assuming none of those guys get traded. :eek:

[QUOTE=StlScott;11144314]Verdugo will be the better overall play probably. Nice outfield arm and can run a bit. He will hit for a lot higher average than Bellinger but less power. Bellinger can however really field his position.
[/QUOTE]

I would argue that their power is similar. They are currently playing on the same team, Verdugo is a full year younger than Bellinger and has a higher slugging percentage. Bellinger is the bigger of the two, but I think Verdugo has more room for physical development. Only time will tell, but I think Verdugo will be a star while Bellinger will simply be a serviceable first baseman.



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[QUOTE=rcspur;11143908]Shipley has major league 2 or 3 starter stuff. Swtiching from SS to pitcher in three years and pitching in AAA is solid.

How can anyone who watched Mateo play with the Yankees in the spring and watched Rosario in the Futures Game have Rosario ahead of him? Rosario is going to be a good major league shortstop, but Mateo is going to be a All Star shortstop. There's a huge difference there... (I have stashes of both).[/QUOTE]
Rosario has forced Luis Guillorme (super slick fielding SS) to second while Mateo is starting to get reps at 2nd because the organization is (I guess) set on Didi at short. Wouldn't that hurt Mateo's stock quite a bit?

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[QUOTE=rutgersjpm;11144577]Rosario has forced Luis Guillorme (super slick fielding SS) to second while Mateo is starting to get reps at 2nd because the organization is (I guess) set on Didi at short. Wouldn't that hurt Mateo's stock quite a bit?

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Mateo get reps at 2nd since he is playing with avelino, another solid SS prospects.

[QUOTE=T3sT;11144658]Mateo get reps at 2nd since he is playing with avelino, another solid SS prospects.[/QUOTE]
OK, but shouldn't a highly regarded prospect whose value is weighed due to defensive capability be able to hold down a position? It's going to raise question is all I'm saying.

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Who's Rosario @ 13 mets ss Ahmed???

[QUOTE=daeve;11144283]Mateo and Rosario don't have to be constantly grouped/ranked near each other. Rosario has taken a major step up this year with the bat, and Mateo has a taken a step backwards, both with the bat against better competition, and with his makeup. It's not a stretch that Rosario is now the definitive better prospect.[/QUOTE]

I don't think it's definitive at all. Mateo hit his first slump of the minors. Rosario is having his first really good season of the minors. Would you feel the same if he struggled the second half and Mateo did what he started the season doing?

[QUOTE=mwash1983;11144309]Rosario also is almost as fast a runner BTW and is also younger. Mateo also has hit under .200 for the last 40 games...[/QUOTE]

The speed comparison between Mateo and Rosario isn't even close. That isn't up for discussion, even Mets fans will tell you Mateo is much faster.

[QUOTE=rutgersjpm;11144544]I would argue that their power is similar. They are currently playing on the same team, Verdugo is a full year younger than Bellinger and has a higher slugging percentage. Bellinger is the bigger of the two, but I think Verdugo has more room for physical development. Only time will tell, but I think Verdugo will be a star while Bellinger will simply be a serviceable first baseman.

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I find this interesting because I think you are right... somehow. I say somehow because every reputable scout will tell you this kid Verdugo is special. But so far he just looks... very good. If his power gets him to 25 HR territory he could be a top 10 guy at some point since he's so young for the level. Bellinger is hitting for better average than I thought which is promising because the power is there and will increase.

[QUOTE=bravezfan4life;11144839]Who's Rosario @ 13 mets ss Ahmed???[/QUOTE]

lol, this whole page is about him, yes Amed.

Dom in the top 50. Benintendi at 3. Solid.

[QUOTE=HitandRun24;11143277]I know it's one spot but I don't think theirs anyway Crawford is better than Moncada[/QUOTE]

only thing i can think of is the positional difference, with JP being the Shortstop

[QUOTE=dasiegel;11145026]I don't think it's definitive at all. Mateo hit his first slump of the minors. Rosario is having his first really good season of the minors. Would you feel the same if he struggled the second half and Mateo did what he started the season doing?
[/QUOTE]

Rosario had a fine season last year for being 19 in the FSL and it being his first taste of full-season ball. Last year was basically a mulligan and the year before that was just short-season ball, where he hit well.

Mateo is now a year older and a level below. He's actually hitting about what he did last year, just with way less SB. I think everyone was expecting a jump this year, either to AA or with his stats, and neither has happened so it's easy to see why he's been passed up. As it stands he hits well for a SS, less so if he's moving to 2B, but the profile looks a lot less special than it did a year ago when it looked like he'd be on the fast-track and might be pushing some gaudy SB totals.

No Garrett? Lulz

[QUOTE=daeve;11145536]Rosario had a fine season last year for being 19 in the FSL and it being his first taste of full-season ball. Last year was basically a mulligan and the year before that was just short-season ball, where he hit well.

Mateo is now a year older and a level below. He's actually hitting about what he did last year, just with way less SB. I think everyone was expecting a jump this year, either to AA or with his stats, and neither has happened so it's easy to see why he's been passed up. As it stands he hits well for a SS, less so if he's moving to 2B, but the profile looks a lot less special than it did a year ago when it looked like he'd be on the fast-track and might be pushing some gaudy SB totals.[/QUOTE]

Yea I think the SB total being down is a little surprising but nobody really steals in the FSL and he led the league in SBs for 99% of the time until he got suspended..

But that being said Mateo really has stuggled as of late but yet on paper he still has had a great season. .266 but until this slump was hovering at .300, showing a little power and the age between he and Rosario is like a few months so there really is no difference. Rosario just got called up to the Mets a few weeks ago. Mateo was suspended because he was mad he hasn't been called up yet so they really are neck and neck in progress, Mateo will see AA this season. Of course the excitement is down lately but they are both young and in big markets and should be relevant for a long time. How the two are that far apart on this list to me is silly.

[QUOTE=lamiwe21;11143924]This list stinks like Turner Field during a rain storm.

Where is Maverick Phillips ?[/QUOTE]

Phillips is in Biloxi batting in the .230s and strinking out over 32% of the time.

[QUOTE=rutgersjpm;11144544]I would argue that their power is similar. They are currently playing on the same team, Verdugo is a full year younger than Bellinger and has a higher slugging percentage. Bellinger is the bigger of the two, but I think Verdugo has more room for physical development. Only time will tell, but I think Verdugo will be a star while Bellinger will simply be a serviceable first baseman.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=dasiegel;11145026]I find this interesting because I think you are right... somehow. I say somehow because every reputable scout will tell you this kid Verdugo is special. But so far he just looks... very good. If his power gets him to 25 HR territory he could be a top 10 guy at some point since he's so young for the level. Bellinger is hitting for better average than I thought which is promising because the power is there and will increase.[/QUOTE]

I dont know any scouts reputable or not. :D. I wouldnt be surprised if you were both right. I am collecting as if Bellinger will be the star. I love Verdugo's contact rate. He is very athletic. The problem is he tried a leg kick and his swing fell apart. He could make a second adjustment or make the leg kick work and then pow! It is a matter of Verdugo being good or great. In real live honest to goodness baseball, I would take Verdugo. Card wise, chrome is king and chicks dig the long ball. I also like Bellinger's pedigree.

[QUOTE=StlScott;11147064]Phillips is in Biloxi batting in the .230s and strinking out over 32% of the time.





I dont know any scouts reputable or not. :D. I wouldnt be surprised if you were both right. I am collecting as if Bellinger will be the star. I love Verdugo's contact rate. He is very athletic. The problem is he tried a leg kick and his swing fell apart. He could make a second adjustment or make the leg kick work and then pow! It is a matter of Verdugo being good or great. In real live honest to goodness baseball, I would take Verdugo. Card wise, chrome is king and chicks dig the long ball. I also like Bellinger's pedigree.[/QUOTE]
I wish debates like this one happened on here more often. Thank you guys for having a real prospect conversation with me. People get way too butt hurt on here regarding differing opinions.

You can't help but admire the Dodgers right now. In my personal opinion they have the best farm in the game. It's so good we barely even discuss guys like Eddy Martinez and Yadier Alvarez. I think this year will be the Giants last hurrah in the NL West for quite some time. Dodgers will be very tough to beat moving forward.

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If Bellinger is the real deal and ready, I wonder if they'll trade Agon this offseason.

I am a huge Dom Smith fan and collector but I just have no idea why he is still on here.

He had a good few weeks leading up to the break, but has not improved much from last year.

Still is young so that is the hope I guess.....

Dahl at 31 is my biggest disagreement.

[QUOTE=dasiegel;11143193]Thx for the list Mateo at 50? Weird. But love Mendez at 49.[/QUOTE]

I saw he mentioned Mateo in his chat yesterday.

JD: Any sense of *why* Mateo isn’t performing as well this year? Effort, instincts, position change, something else?
Klaw: He doesn’t make hard contact. I seriously debated whether to put him on the list at all.

[QUOTE=jbmets95;11147395]I am a huge Dom Smith fan and collector but I just have no idea why he is still on here.

He had a good few weeks leading up to the break, but has not improved much from last year.

Still is young so that is the hope I guess.....[/QUOTE]

totally disagree. he's doubled his career HR totals this year. if the power is for real, his high contact rates, nice OBP, great defense and age relative to league makes me believe he's turned a corner.

if he can turn into a 20-25 hr guy, with that glove he's at least Freddie Freeman but better defensively. Until this year he was looking more like james loney. Just in time too. Duda is a FA after the 2017 season. His timetable is about right. Next year in vegas, and then if he stays hitting for power he can take over 1st if/when duda walks.

[QUOTE=jbmets95;11147395]I am a huge Dom Smith fan and collector but I just have no idea why he is still on here.

He had a good few weeks leading up to the break, but has not improved much from last year.

Still is young so that is the hope I guess.....[/QUOTE]

Jewcer has the low down on this guy.

[QUOTE=rutgersjpm;11147082]I wish debates like this one happened on here more often. Thank you guys for having a real prospect conversation with me. People get way too butt hurt on here regarding differing opinions.

You can't help but admire the Dodgers right now. In my personal opinion they have the best farm in the game. It's so good we barely even discuss guys like Eddy Martinez and Yadier Alvarez. I think this year will be the Giants last hurrah in the NL West for quite some time. Dodgers will be very tough to beat moving forward.

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Yea well you will see very little trolling (unless I'm pricking a BO buddy) from me. I'm all about discussing sports intelligently and a lot of my knowledge about players and prospects comes from listening intently to the people on here.

I was talking about best farms and as good as the Dodgers and cubs are I can't think of a more loaded system than the Astros. There's a new guy each week on the hot sheet to go with the Bregmans and Tuckers etc etc.

[QUOTE=SDcardguy24;11147711]I saw he mentioned Mateo in his chat yesterday.

JD: Any sense of *why* Mateo isn’t performing as well this year? Effort, instincts, position change, something else?
Klaw: He doesn’t make hard contact. I seriously debated whether to put him on the list at all.[/QUOTE]

When law doesn't like a guy he doesn't like a guy. I haven't seen him in person but I will when he gets to AA. I can't imagine his contact his so weak when his power #s are up.

[QUOTE=rutgersjpm;11147082]I wish debates like this one happened on here more often. Thank you guys for having a real prospect conversation with me. People get way too butt hurt on here regarding differing opinions.[/QUOTE]

It is a shame that civility is a dying art. I love talking prospects! Also, I can't learn anything unless I open my eyes/ears...

My 2 cents (which are probably only worth 1...) about Dom Smith is that the ability is the least of the problem. Did you all watch the futures game? Dude is large. Baseball is so hard to be good. Players need to be in the best shape possible. Vogelbach will never be small. From what I read though, he fights like hell to be in the best shape he can be. Smith not so much...

[QUOTE=StlScott;11148746]My 2 cents (which are probably only worth 1...) about Dom Smith is that the ability is the least of the problem. Did you all watch the futures game? Dude is large. Baseball is so hard to be good. Players need to be in the best shape possible. Vogelbach will never be small. From what I read though, he fights like hell to be in the best shape he can be. Smith not so much...[/QUOTE]

I agree with this statement. I've seen Smith in BP a few times, linedrive bat, not a lot of loft on balls hit in BP, thus the lower power ceiling. He also looks like he has put on about 20 pounds since april, looks like he's pushing 250 right now. His defense has also been average at best as his range has declined as the year has went on. I've seen him 5 times this year. Rosario, the real deal, could be much better than JP Crawford.

[QUOTE=SDcardguy24;11147711]I saw he mentioned Mateo in his chat yesterday.

JD: Any sense of *why* Mateo isn’t performing as well this year? Effort, instincts, position change, something else?
Klaw: He doesn’t make hard contact. I seriously debated whether to put him on the list at all.[/QUOTE]

Did he do an insider chat on ESPN? If so, can someone link me. I am having a hard time finding it.

Numbers keep improving and mwash keeps hatin.

[QUOTE=Coolstavi;11148847]Did he do an insider chat on ESPN? If so, can someone link me. I am having a hard time finding it.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://meadowparty.com/blog/2016/07/14/klawchat-71416/]Klawchat 7/14/16.[/url]