[QUOTE=shayscards79;17375319]Would people actually pay a premium on a card that was serial numbered /17000?

This is why I despise grading modern cards.[/QUOTE]

depends on how good he winds up being

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;17375326]depends on how good he winds up being[/QUOTE]

Does it? Do you think more people will want one or more people will want
to own multiples of the card?

I'm always fascinated with the logic that if there are xxx million new collectors
and yyy percentage have to add it to their collection then 17000 will be low.
I find this faulty and a pumpers reasoning. To many factors could work against this.

Also, I don't think we have a healthy card market when a good chunk of the
tables at a show have PSA 10 US300's available for sale. Reminds me of the
1990's when everyone was selling Shaq.

[QUOTE=tconte;17375386]Does it? [B]Do you think more people will want one or more people will want
to own multiples of the card?[/B]

I'm always fascinated with the logic that if there are xxx million new collectors
and yyy percentage have to add it to their collection then 17000 will be low.
I find this faulty and a pumpers reasoning. To many factors could work against this.

Also, I don't think we have a healthy card market when a good chunk of the
tables at a show have PSA 10 US300's available for sale. Reminds me of the
1990's when everyone was selling Shaq.[/QUOTE]

Everything is supply and demand. We won’t know the answer to this for quite some time ..
2018 Topps Update is a funny product ( not like it tells jokes / funny meaning odd ). There was obviously a very large print run, yet the wax keeps going up and the key singles stay hot like there wasn’t .

[QUOTE=tconte;17375386]Does it? Do you think more people will want one or more people will want
to own multiples of the card?

I'm always fascinated with the logic that if there are xxx million new collectors
and yyy percentage have to add it to their collection then 17000 will be low.
I find this faulty and a pumpers reasoning. To many factors could work against this.

Also, I don't think we have a healthy card market when a good chunk of the
tables at a show have PSA 10 US300's available for sale. Reminds me of the
1990's when everyone was selling Shaq.[/QUOTE]

Flagship Rookie Cards are part of any well-rounded Baseball RC Collection.

i have no idea what people will (or do) want in the future. i am certainly not a pumper. i paid $5 for my PSA 9 copy in the winter of 2019

[QUOTE=tconte;17375386]Also, I don't think we have a healthy card market when a good chunk of the tables at a show have PSA 10 US300's available for sale. Reminds me of the 1990's when everyone was selling Shaq.[/QUOTE]

I don't think it's unhealthy that the most popular, liquid card in the hobby is a part of every dealer's inventory. There's nothing wrong with the supply level, it's still a $170 card. It doesn't [I]need[/I] to be a $400 card right now

[QUOTE=cardsin47;17375397]Everything is supply and demand. We won’t know the answer to this for quite some time ..
[B]2018 Topps Update is a funny product ( not like it tells jokes / funny meaning odd ). [/B]There was obviously a very large print run, yet the wax keeps going up and the key singles stay hot like there wasn’t .[/QUOTE]

I'm glad you cleared that up. The thing is this could have been your first post without parenthesis. But you are so addicted to them you found a completely superfluous spot to add them.

[QUOTE=clocsta2323;17375445]I'm glad you cleared that up. The thing is this could have been your first post without parenthesis. But you are so addicted to them you found a completely superfluous spot to add them.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=tconte;17375386]Does it? Do you think more people will want one or more people will want
to own multiples of the card?

I'm always fascinated with the logic that if there are xxx million new collectors
and yyy percentage have to add it to their collection then 17000 will be low.
I find this faulty and a pumpers reasoning. To many factors could work against this.

Also, I don't think we have a healthy card market when a good chunk of the
tables at a show have PSA 10 US300's available for sale. Reminds me of the
1990's when everyone was selling Shaq.[/QUOTE]

That's not the way to look at it. We do have a healthier card market today in terms of what we know about the availability of cards. Right now, we have availability on ebay and we have psa 10 pop counts. Its not a mystery to anyone as opposed to the early 90s.

So in spite of the transparency as far as the pop count goes, there's been higher prices. This is just a natural pull back. Some are pulling back more because of performance. It is what it is.

[QUOTE=KingInTheNorth;17374740]Anyone who thinks Soto isn't going to be completely fine has no idea about the sport of Baseball.

It's honestly tiresome to constantly see the bashing of Soto, Acuna or any other young star when they have a rough stretch.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, this day to day reactionary crap is really getting quite old. I love my vintage collection because I don't have to worry about this type of idiocy.

That being said, Let's Go Juanny! The resurrection begins tonight!

[QUOTE=gmoney328;17375555]
Yeah, this day to day reactionary crap is really getting quite old. I love my vintage collection because I don't have to worry about this type of idiocy.
[/QUOTE]

That’s the opposite of me / I love the day to day to drama, as it excites the Gambler in me. I don’t collect Vintage because it lacks that. At least we won’t be competing for the same Cards! :cool:

[QUOTE=gmoney328;17375555]Yeah, this day to day reactionary crap is really getting quite old. I love my vintage collection because I don't have to worry about this type of idiocy.

That being said, Let's Go Juanny! The resurrection begins tonight![/QUOTE]

It's what this forum has devolved into. The Break section is ghost town, Jaypers thank God is still around for baseball.

[QUOTE=BBases31;17375074]What if we're sure he's going to be fine and can also observe that for the first two months he's performing so under expectations that his cards have dived? Is that ok by you?[/QUOTE]

No.

Thanks for checking in.

[QUOTE=cardsin47;17375565]That’s the opposite of me / I love the day to day to drama, as it excites the Gambler in me. I don’t collect Vintage because it lacks that. At least we won’t be competing for the same Cards! :cool:[/QUOTE]

Oh don't get me wrong, I've got more than one toe dipped in the modern pool, and if the Soto PSA 10 keeps dropping, I'm all in for a couple more. It makes the game exciting for me now to dabble in modern. I just don't freak out if the dude has a rough month or two. Much less a rough week or two.

Forget the cards. I just want to see him perform and have fun. That’s what being a fan is all about. I think many of us are in Soto at a level that we’ll never lose money.

[QUOTE=panamamyers;17375009]Yours are listed at 30 dollars above recent sales prices?
How's that a big discount?[/QUOTE]

Really? Wow he is in a nosedive then. I guess its worse than I originally thought. I'll have to slash prices again from the salad days of $300 per PSA 10

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;17375599]Forget the cards. I just want to see him perform and have fun. That’s what being a fan is all about. I think many of us are in Soto at a level that we’ll never lose money.[/QUOTE]

And even those of us who rebought at all-time highs did so with profits from other Soto flips.

This was a great place to talk about Jon Soto. But lately some angry mofos have showed up here out of nowhere.

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[QUOTE=djdevon;17375603]Really? Wow he is in a nosedive then. I guess its worse than I originally thought. I'll have to slash prices again from the salad days of $300 per PSA 10[/QUOTE]

ok, let us know

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;17375217]is 17,000 "a lot"?[/QUOTE]
It's not the most. We've work to do!

US250 gem, 18,266
Zion prizm gem, 17,686
US300 gem, 17,222
ja, 16k

On the podium? What else is high-pop in gem mint ten?

Tatis '19 topps is only 13.5k and that came in factory sets. 22k+ graded, so just the lower gem rate holding it back.

HAHAHAHA

I know prizm gets no love but how does a pop < 50 psa 10 chronicles prizm soto sell for the same as a pop 18k

[QUOTE=BAHoopla;17375871]I know prizm gets no love but how does a pop < 50 psa 10 chronicles prizm soto sell for the same as a pop 18k[/QUOTE]

No licensing

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[QUOTE=JohnnyHatesJazz;17375488]That's not the way to look at it. We do have a healthier card market today in terms of what we know about the availability of cards. Right now, we have availability on ebay and we have psa 10 pop counts. Its not a mystery to anyone as opposed to the early 90s.

So in spite of the transparency as far as the pop count goes, there's been higher prices. This is just a natural pull back. Some are pulling back more because of performance. It is what it is.[/QUOTE]


And yet we still have no transparency on what portion of $$ leaves the hobby/business of sports cards once they can’t make a quick buck any longer.

Knowledge of pop counts and eBay prices doesn’t help when the long term demand isn’t clear


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[QUOTE=cardsin47;17375912]No licensing[/QUOTE]

Have to think long term rarity wins :coffee:

[QUOTE=BAHoopla;17375953]Have to think long term rarity wins :coffee:[/QUOTE]

Not without a license - it’s a BIG factor