[QUOTE=Biohazarddfl;18985994]This doesn't look terrible to me. [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230808/78d3596d2133b2fa35fd35853cb4f037.jpg[/IMG]

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If you don't mind driving a few miles. The point was that you can't walk from the show to a hotel in Cleveland.

Cleveland will feature daily paid parking for everyone. Well, they did last time the show was there. No other option to get there but drive and pay to park, or pay uber or pay taxi, and that's before paying admission. Missing Rosemont already!

[QUOTE=rats60;18986041]If you don't mind driving a few miles. The point was that you can't walk from the show to a hotel in Cleveland.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. And if you want to take a break in the middle of the day, return to your room, grab a snack, drop some things off...its a drive or an uber back to the hotel. Not 200 steps across the street.

[QUOTE=Biohazarddfl;18985865]Ok, and what was the nightlife like? You can do that in AC and Cleveland too

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Nightlife? We're talking nightlife? I thought this was about the show?

Only Rosemont has hotels and restaurants within walking distance of the show. I could care less about nightlife, this is a discussion about where the actual show is located.

[QUOTE=notoriousrmb;18986155]Nightlife? We're talking nightlife? I thought this was about the show?



Only Rosemont has hotels and restaurants within walking distance of the show. I could care less about nightlife, this is a discussion about where the actual show is located.[/QUOTE]Where do you live?

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[QUOTE=Biohazarddfl;18986165]Where do you live?

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About 6 driving hours from Rosemont.

What do you all think a majority of the multi show day attendees do between the time the show closes and they go to bed?

[QUOTE=notoriousrmb;18986152]Exactly. And if you want to take a break in the middle of the day, return to your room, grab a snack, drop some things off...its a drive or an uber back to the hotel. Not 200 steps across the street.[/QUOTE]

The Hyatt Regency and Hilton are connected to the skywalk. So, if it is raining, you can get to your hotel without going outside.

If you are flying, many of the convention center hotels have shuttles and you don't need an Uber or car.

[QUOTE=SupermanBrandon;18986184]What do you all think a majority of the multi show day attendees do between the time the show closes and they go to bed?[/QUOTE]

We eat dinner out and then go back to the hotel and drink beer and open a few boxes of cards each night.

[QUOTE=notoriousrmb;18986152]Exactly. And if you want to take a break in the middle of the day, return to your room, grab a snack, drop some things off...its a drive or an uber back to the hotel. Not 200 steps across the street.[/QUOTE]

Hotel convenience is the only benefit to Chicago for the National. The Rosemont/Stephens center is getting dated, no AC this year and pretty hot inside, crowded everywhere, and no place to sit and take a breather to eat/look at cards. When the show is over very convenient to Gibson’s, grab me a few Doubletree cookies, and other places to eat. Going back to the room would kill an hour or two, and I am there for cards not a nap and watching Oprah middle of the day.

IX Center in Cleveland is massive and the best venue for the National building wise followed by AC. Complaining about parking? You get charged $15-28 a day at the garage by the hotels or by your hotel in Chicago. Straight walk into the IX which is nice, and once you are in there the center is massive - old WW2 tank factory. Down the right side are 100’s and 100’s of tables to sit and eat and relax which Chicago never has and is a huge miss. AC also had a room that was good for it as well. Food and nightlife are ok in Cleveland and we usually catch an Indians game. Better drive than Chicago traffic, better convention space, more room… less crowded.. Pretty easy choice.

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IX Center in Cleveland is massive[/QUOTE]

Not any more, as it has been stated in may threads, the I-X center has been cut in half. It is now smaller than the DES in Rosemont.

To clarify this, for people who have been inside the I-X center they removed the Ferris wheel and built a wall in about the same spot, separating the building into exhibit space and a leased area of offices and such. Their is even an indoor soccer field for a local pro team inside the west area of the building. They did not physically cut the building!

[QUOTE=Slvnumber2;18988880]Hotel convenience is the only benefit to Chicago for the National. The Rosemont/Stephens center is getting dated, no AC this year and pretty hot inside, crowded everywhere, and no place to sit and take a breather to eat/look at cards. When the show is over very convenient to Gibson’s, grab me a few Doubletree cookies, and other places to eat. Going back to the room would kill an hour or two, and I am there for cards not a nap and watching Oprah middle of the day.

IX Center in Cleveland is massive and the best venue for the National building wise followed by AC. Complaining about parking? You get charged $15-28 a day at the garage by the hotels or by your hotel in Chicago. Straight walk into the IX which is nice, and once you are in there the center is massive - old WW2 tank factory. Down the right side are 100’s and 100’s of tables to sit and eat and relax which Chicago never has and is a huge miss. AC also had a room that was good for it as well. Food and nightlife are ok in Cleveland and we usually catch an Indians game. Better drive than Chicago traffic, better convention space, more room… less crowded.. Pretty easy choice.[/QUOTE]

I've been to both multiple times, for me, Chicago is still leaps and bounds better.

I can easily go between the show and my hotel room to drop things off all day, it does not take "an hour or two" but maybe 30 mins at most. Not sure what Oprah has to do with anything, no one said anything about naps. Parking is built into my super vip, but I would be paying that any location so its irrelevant other than the fact I am NOT paying $15-28 a day. And parking isn't free in Cleveland either...

Chicago has ~650 booths, Cleveland has only 500 so it is considerably smaller.

Chicago does have AC, it just failed the first two days when it was 98 degrees and had a massively packed show. Saying it has no AC because of an incident that has only happened this year is just sensationalism.

Cleveland has lost the VIP parking spot/entrance as well - so you are in the masses trying to find parking well before the show opens if you want to be in line for anything early. Can't just wake up, shower and walk across the street - now we have a drive and a parking race involved.

Chicago has plenty of cool, empty hallways outside of the show floor. Yes, I agree 100% it needs more open area inside the show, but to me that's a small tradeoff for the other benefits. Cleveland no longer has the food court area, so who knows if those seats are even there still - will be worth seeing in 2024. Which also means having lunch is now requiring leaving the show, leaving the lot and eating, then returning and having to find new parking in Cleveland. The walk from the back of the lot is no different than coming from my hotel in Chicago.

I am not against Cleveland at all, I think it is a fine location for the show. But I'll still take Chicago over any of the other options any day.

In Chicago I can pee out of my hotel window and hit the convention center, an international airport, restaurants and the train system. All are within footsteps. Well, O'hare is a long 2.4 miles from the convention center.

One big thing Chicago has is a whole lot of money and volume of people in the city and suburbs when compared to Cleveland which is not exactly a booming metropolis. Mass transit to get those to the show is in place in Chicago and non existent in Cleveland. The show and the dealers are running for profit businesses and the masses with the deep pockets are more than plentiful in Chicago as compared to Cleveland.

Of the options listed, I hope for AC because it ain’t too far. But that floor is probably the hardest floor ever made.

[QUOTE=notoriousrmb;18989114]I've been to both multiple times, for me, Chicago is still leaps and bounds better.

I can easily go between the show and my hotel room to drop things off all day, it does not take "an hour or two" but maybe 30 mins at most. Not sure what Oprah has to do with anything, no one said anything about naps.

[I]I go to the show to see cards and fellow collectors and dealers. I am not wasting time going back to the hotel room. Not a big deal.[/I]

Chicago does have AC, it just failed the first two days when it was 98 degrees and had a massively packed show. Saying it has no AC because of an incident that has only happened this year is just sensationalism. [I]”It has AC but just failed” is like having a car but it breaks down all the time on the side of the road. That was absurd to not be prepared - zero excuses for that to happen.[/I]

Cleveland has lost the VIP parking spot/entrance as well - so you are in the masses trying to find parking well before the show opens if you want to be in line for anything early. Can't just wake up, shower and walk across the street - now we have a drive and a parking race [I] At least you are showering - a lot of attendees don’t bother with that based on what people reported.[/I]

[QUOTE=SupermanBrandon;18989130]In Chicago I can pee out of my hotel window and hit the convention center, an international airport, restaurants and the train system. All are within footsteps. Well, O'hare is a long 2.4 miles from the convention center.[/QUOTE]


That’s quite a stream!

I prefer AC because it's a 90 minute drive for me. Here's a few thoughts I have a bout it though:
1) It looks like it used the whole main floor last year, but has more space on the 3rd and 4th floor. Each look like about 25% the size of the main floor. Is that enough extra room? Would they do a multi-floor show? Or even multi location - expand to another event space. AC Boardwalk hall or the Borgata's event space?
2) If AC is a great location for them because it's drivable for twice as many people as any other space, would they ever consider Philly's enormous convention center? It resolves some of the reasons people hate AC: it's closer to a major airport, (but farther from the beach). I would assume it has the same or more hotel space.

I'm all for keeping it in Chicago, but have they considered the George R. Brown convention center in Houston?

That place is huge and there are hotels around it. It's 20 min away from Hobby airport. And usually stuff in Texas is cheaper than stuff up north so maybe the organizers can save some money that way. Houston is still kinda in the middle of the country. Although that Texas sun in the summer is no bueno...

What am I talking about? Let's just keep it in Chicago.

[QUOTE=Asian62150;18990883]have they considered the George R. Brown convention center in Houston?

That place is huge and there are hotels around it. It's 20 min away from Hobby airport. And usually stuff in Texas is cheaper than stuff up north so maybe the organizers can save some money that way. Houston is still kinda in the middle of the country. Although that Texas sun in the summer is no bueno...

What am I talking about? Let's just keep it in Chicago.[/QUOTE]

Houston has hosted it, and was considered again. It was the most expensive (or in the top two most expensive)place of all the cities they contacted.

One of the main reasons for having some type of rotation is that about 2/3 of the attendees of the national show are local - within a 4-5 hour drive.

It is almost like its two shows in one. 1/3 of the attendees are attending the National. These are the "hard core" collectors. They will travel to the show regardless of where it is and desire things like large easily reachable airports and hotel proximity to the show. So Chicago rates high, AC low.

For the 2/3 this is an "event". Its close by and worth spending a day or two attending. These people care about the facility and traffic/parking and other activities nearby. AC works well for the local crowd and it draws from the Balt/DC, Philly, and NYC areas.

The main advantage IMO of having a rotation is it keeps the 2/3 attendance "fresh". Its still an "event". Same place, same time year after year is an annual show.

[QUOTE=ToastGhost47;18990868]I prefer AC because it's a 90 minute drive for me. Here's a few thoughts I have a bout it though:
1) It looks like it used the whole main floor last year, but has more space on the 3rd and 4th floor. Each look like about 25% the size of the main floor. Is that enough extra room? Would they do a multi-floor show? Or even multi location - expand to another event space. AC Boardwalk hall or the Borgata's event space?
2) If AC is a great location for them because it's drivable for twice as many people as any other space, would they ever consider Philly's enormous convention center? It resolves some of the reasons people hate AC: it's closer to a major airport, (but farther from the beach). I would assume it has the same or more hotel space.[/QUOTE]

They will NOT have the show on multiple levels.

It's been reported that Philadelphia isn't an option due to Unions and the issue of them needing to be involved in the loading/unloading/set up of the show.

I’m surprised Vegas doesn’t get more support. It offers everything Chicago does. IMO, that would be the perfect city when Chicago isn’t hosting.

[QUOTE=Chicosbailbonds;18992964]I’m surprised Vegas doesn’t get more support. It offers everything Chicago does. IMO, that would be the perfect city when Chicago isn’t hosting.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

However, most of the board members are east coast guys and don't want to travel west.

If you're just going to put on the same show every year...why spend all that extra time & money in planning and traveling to do the show when you can just do the same thing year after year in the same place. You're catering to the same people each year. Why spend more money to do the same thing, but in another place?