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Your 47 pages 2 late.

[QUOTE=eastbayak;19793548]Your 47 pages 2 late.[/QUOTE]

:D:D:D

[QUOTE=Osfan81;19793541]It’s simple if you’ve opened or used Topps’ website. Somebody enters a code, then Topps immediately says publicly it’s been pulled immediately. They then could have so many working days to ship the actual card or to send to wherever. It’s not a hard concept but bc of their marketing screwups, I could see this being a viable solution.[/QUOTE]

They do ship out within a certain time frame, if they have the cards. And it's not a viable solution. You can't force a company to make everything redemptions so you can track everything, nor would the government be interested in wasting time tracking it.

Redemptions for cards they haven't received back and redemptions for things like this Skenes card are very different things.

Players breach these contracts often. It's also why sticker auto become more common. Topps sends out cards to be signed months in advance in good faith that they will be returned on time. You eventually hit a deadline of when you need to start production on putting the boxes together. Redemptions aren't because Topps dropped the ball, they are because players don't hold up their part of the deal.

I think you are going way too extreme over a marketing snafu. There's a difference in wanting some regulation and turning this into a big brother watching over everything situation.

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[QUOTE=Big35Hurt;19793536]Your write! Please except my apoligies.[/QUOTE]




LOL!!!!!!!!!

Wait....when did the hobby start caring about pitchers?

[QUOTE=whitmm;19793570]

Players breach these contracts often. It's also why sticker auto become more common. Topps sends out cards to be signed months in advance in good faith that they will be returned on time. You eventually hit a deadline of when you need to start production on putting the boxes together. Redemptions aren't because Topps dropped the ball, they are because players don't hold up their part of the deal. [/QUOTE]

Like when a player decides to throw all their auto stickers/cards they're supposed to sign in the garbage because they're too lazy/don't care.

[QUOTE=Mandy1320;19793575]Wait....when did the hobby start caring about pitchers?[/QUOTE]

This has nothing to do with the player on the card.

[QUOTE=whitmm;19793570]They do ship out within a certain time frame, if they have the cards. And it's not a viable solution. You can't force a company to make everything redemptions so you can track everything, nor would the government be interested in wasting time tracking it.

Redemptions for cards they haven't received back and redemptions for things like this Skenes card are very different things.

Players breach these contracts often. It's also why sticker auto become more common. Topps sends out cards to be signed months in advance in good faith that they will be returned on time. You eventually hit a deadline of when you need to start production on putting the boxes together. Redemptions aren't because Topps dropped the ball, they are because players don't hold up their part of the deal.

I think you are going way too extreme over a marketing snafu. There's a difference in wanting some regulation and turning this into a big brother watching over everything situation.[/QUOTE]

And, why can't Topps have redemptions for every 1/1 and /5 card that they have in their possession? It's not a hard concept. To be honest, I'd prefer it. I've personally hit 1/1 cards that were awful condition, so I would not complain one bit if they weren't put in regular packs. They do it with all of the big cards, ie the Shohei 50/50. You seem to be a Topps apologist here. If Topps didn't want regulation or forced terms from a settlement agreement, maybe they need to take better care to not mislead the public...bad actions lead to bad results. You absolutely can force them to track cards that have been redeemed. Every state lottery does it, and that's essentially what these big cards are with how Topps is marketing them. The state lotteries release information on the big tickets that have been sold. It's not a hard concept.

[QUOTE=MiamiMarlinsFan;19793585]This has nothing to do with the player on the card.[/QUOTE]

I mean yes and no? Would this have even gotten its own thread if it was Wenceel Perez?

I guess what I'm trying to say if there WAS something nefarious going on, Topps chose to do it with the Skenes card because the hobby seemingly deemed him the most valuable when in reality the value of that card could be drastically different a meager 6 months from now......

[QUOTE=eastbayak;19793548]Your 47 pages 2 late.[/QUOTE]

This might be closer to perfection than any post I have ever seen.

[QUOTE=Mandy1320;19793660]I mean yes and no? Would this have even gotten its own thread if it was Wenceel Perez?

I guess what I'm trying to say if there WAS something nefarious going on, Topps chose to do it with the Skenes card because the hobby seemingly deemed him the most valuable when in reality the value of that card could be drastically different a meager 6 months from now......[/QUOTE]

What you’re seeing here is a lot of people’s frustration with Fanatics/“the current state of the hobby” boiling over. A lot of things can set people off right now. There’s a whole thread here that has a rolling list of them.

[QUOTE=Osfan81;19793632]And, why can't Topps have redemptions for every 1/1 and /5 card that they have in their possession? It's not a hard concept. To be honest, I'd prefer it. I've personally hit 1/1 cards that were awful condition, so I would not complain one bit if they weren't put in regular packs. They do it with all of the big cards, ie the Shohei 50/50. You seem to be a Topps apologist here. If Topps didn't want regulation or forced terms from a settlement agreement, maybe they need to take better care to not mislead the public...bad actions lead to bad results. You absolutely can force them to track cards that have been redeemed. Every state lottery does it, and that's essentially what these big cards are with how Topps is marketing them. The state lotteries release information on the big tickets that have been sold. It's not a hard concept.[/QUOTE]

You are missing the whole point. It's not a viable response for what has happened.

They already do track cards that have been redeemed. I'm not really sure where you've come up with this idea that they haven't.

Talking about condition has nothing to do with anything what is going here.

You're upset over a social media post that happened 5 days after the CEO learned that the card had been hit. A post that did not explicitly say the card was still in the wild. We don't know if they learned about it by the code being entered or if it was a direct reach out. It's very common for a social media/marketing team to not know all the going ons.

And there it is, calling me a Topps apologist because I called out your ridiculous take

[QUOTE=MiamiMarlinsFan;19793672]What you’re seeing here is a lot of people’s frustration with Fanatics/“the current state of the hobby” boiling over. A lot of things can set people off right now. There’s a whole thread here that has a rolling list of them.[/QUOTE]

Understandable and fair. Just had a :confused: moment seeing so many people not only on here but other platforms go crazy for this card in general.

Meanwhile, I can get a 2x CY winner on card auto /199 for $25 OBO. (Snell)

[QUOTE=Mandy1320;19793685]Understandable and fair. Just had a :confused: moment seeing so many people not only on here but other platforms go crazy for this card in general.

Meanwhile, I can get a 2x CY winner on card auto /199 for $25 OBO. (Snell)[/QUOTE]

Skenes is sorta breaking out past the baseball world. Most of the credit for that can be attributed to Livvy Dunne. They’re the closest thing to Travis & Taylor baseball has. Especially now that Justin & Kate are aging out of those roles (not that Justin Verlander ever cared for the media or attention in general).

[QUOTE=Mandy1320;19793685]

Meanwhile, I can get a 2x CY winner on card auto /199 for $25 OBO. (Snell)[/QUOTE]

Yes…. He’s not the sexy new shiny object like Skenes is. :coffee:

[QUOTE=MiamiMarlinsFan;19793695]Skenes is sorta breaking out past the baseball world. Most of the credit for that can be attributed to Livvy Dunne. They’re the closest thing to Travis & Taylor baseball has. Especially now that Justin & Kate are aging out of those roles (not that Justin Verlander ever cared for the media or attention in general).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=cardsin47;19793697]Yes…. He’s not the sexy new shiny object like Skenes is. :coffee:[/QUOTE]

Both of these responses made me feel old and out of touch.....:)

[QUOTE=cardsin47;19793697]Yes…. He’s not the sexy new shiny object like Skenes is. :coffee:[/QUOTE]

Nor does he have a huge social media influencer as a significant other.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;19793303]Look at the discrepancy in the two photos of the positioning of the letters on the left page.

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Not really following most of this thread with the bickering to see if this was addressed. It is indeed curious, the lack of writing on the right edge of left page in second pic if that’s what you mean.

First thought is they just skipped a page to do the second page (for some reason). But I’m not sure that holds up as the erased writing on left margin of right page matches up in both pics. So it does appear to be the next page and nothing skipped over.

I’m still leaning towards there’s a prosaic explanation lurking here somewhere. Possibly they ripped out the first page after writing it (for some reason), that would solve it. I don’t know if you can do that without leaving any trace in the spine area of a ripped out page. While some of this may sound unlikely, so does Fanatics faking it with a journal entry like this.

The erasings in general make it seem like something a kid would do. Starting the “It’s” in the very beginning on left of the margin then deciding to start past the margin. The “Friday” in Black Friday meant to say “Friday-“, then erased that and went with “Friday….” on a new line. This stuff looks pretty normal for some kid working through it as they’re going (and yes someone could be playing 4D chess intentionally making it look like that…but Occam’s razor, yada yada..).

[QUOTE=whitmm;19793678]
You're upset over a social media post that happened 5 days after the CEO learned that the card had been hit. A post that did not explicitly say the card was still in the wild. We don't know if they learned about it by the code being entered or if it was a direct reach out. [B]It's very common for a social media/marketing team to not know all the going ons. [/B]

And there it is, calling me a Topps apologist because I called out your ridiculous take[/QUOTE]


Maybe they shouldn't post stuff if they don't know what's going on.


apologist
noun
apol·​o·​gist ə-ˈpä-lə-jist
plural apologists
: someone who speaks or writes in defense of someone or something that is typically controversial, unpopular, or subject to criticism

wow 17 more pages of NONSENSE since I last checked

good job blowout

[QUOTE=DynaEtch;19793752] (and yes someone could be playing 4D chess intentionally making it look like that…but Occam’s razor, yada yada..).[/QUOTE]

I think it's been made pretty clear that Occam's razor has no place in this thread (or situation generally), lol.

[QUOTE=green4407;19793785]Maybe they shouldn't post stuff if they don't know what's going on.


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You realize that the team could have very easily pulled the report, saw that the card hadn't been redeemed yet and sent out the planned post? The CEO saying he knew about it on the 3rd doesn't mean that the code was entered. Reading the article, it sounds like the code may have never been entered, as they higher ups were working directly with the customer.

You can only go off the information you have been given.

[QUOTE=whitmm;19793827]You realize that the team could have very easily pulled the report, saw that the card hadn't been redeemed yet and sent out the planned post? The CEO saying he knew about it on the 3rd doesn't mean that the code was entered. Reading the article, it sounds like the code may have never been entered, as they higher ups were working directly with the customer.



You can only go off the information you have been given.[/QUOTE]Go up a couple posts and you'll find the definition. You're making excuses for at best, incompetence. At worst, intentional fraud.

If the kids notebook would be sold with the Card, it would be a nice piece of provenance, now that it too, is high profile and part of the pulls history.