How many people are actually going to stop buying Topps cards, either direct from Topps or on the secondary market as a result of this?

Not many.

[QUOTE=bradical;19793259]Oh man, I didn't know there was a clearly photoshopped/AI-generated journal entry from the kid.

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I mean, everyone has a table in which the woodgrain changes when paper is on top of it.[/QUOTE]

......it is important to protect the identity of the table.

[QUOTE=theshowandme;19793287]How many people are actually going to stop buying Topps cards, either direct from Topps or on the secondary market as a result of this?

Not many.[/QUOTE]
With them not making Blacks anymore, I’m already done. They’d have to do a Pokemon set for me to buy anything from them.

[QUOTE=Osfan81;19793282]The lack of info is unethical and harmful to the extent that Topps: 1) knew that it was pulled as of January 3; 2) they continued to advertise or at least hint it as not being pulled as of January 8; and 3) they continued to profit off of sales of Topps Chrome Update on Fanatics Live during this entire time knowing full well that it was already pulled. That is completely unethical and bordering on fraud. [B]The people that bought into Pirates breaks or random teams at a jacked up price bc of the shenanigans ought to be pissed off royally.[/B][/QUOTE]

I hope that they are so pissed off that they stop buying into any breaks....that will teach Fanatics/Topps a lesson....and it might lead to lower wax prices when products don't sell out. :doh:

[QUOTE=theshowandme;19793287]How many people are actually going to stop buying Topps cards, either direct from Topps or on the secondary market as a result of this?

Not many.[/QUOTE]

Probably not many as there are so many junkies/degenerate gamblers that need their fix.

[QUOTE=jlzinck;19793266]The amount of tinfoil in this thread is amazing.
Just like [B]if I won the lottery,[/B] if I were the one to pull this card [B]there is not a soul outside my wife and daughter would know[/B], of course unless it was in a break.

Y'all wild boys[/QUOTE]

Or so you think. Your state has a bit of an "out" to keep you anonymous if you win the lottery but some states/games do not.

Your purchase and redemption of the lottery ticket can all allow the lottery to use your name and likeness to promote their game.

Look at the discrepancy in the two photos of the positioning of the letters on the left page.

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[QUOTE=Osfan81;19793112]On their instagram account, on January 8, they hinted that it had not been pulled yet. I'd posted a picture above. This absolutely should be investigated for consumer fraud. They hinted it hadn't been pulled. They allowed people to buy into breaks on their OWN fanatics live platform. This is absolutely disgusting. They made more money off "consumers" off of their fraud. I am about done with Topps after this.[/QUOTE]

But that in fact does not say that the card had not been pulled it said it has yet to publicly surface there is a difference. Anybody filing a lawsuit on the grounds that they say that post says that it had not been pulled would have it thrown out.

Is it shady as hell? Absolutely is it illegal technically no but I'm not a lawyer so maybe there's some loophole in there that I don't know about

[QUOTE=Promethius88;19793302]Or so you think. Your state has a bit of an "out" to keep you anonymous if you win the lottery but some states/games do not.

Your purchase and redemption of the lottery ticket can all allow the lottery to use your name and likeness to promote their game.[/QUOTE]

I already have a trust which would claim any prize. Again I am not some moron who doesn't research things he says like lots of other people

[QUOTE=bub838;19793263]I've always wondered, are Vulcans autistic?[/QUOTE]

Not sure about that, but they certainly do not understand the concept of human curiosity.

[QUOTE=Osfan81;19793282]The lack of info is unethical and harmful to the extent that Topps: 1) knew that it was pulled as of January 3; 2) they continued to advertise or at least hint it as not being pulled as of January 8; and 3) they continued to profit off of sales of Topps Chrome Update on Fanatics Live during this entire time knowing full well that it was already pulled. That is completely unethical and bordering on fraud. The people that bought into Pirates breaks or random teams at a jacked up price bc of the shenanigans ought to be pissed off royally.[/QUOTE]

I see your point(s) …..

[QUOTE=Cracktoast;19793306]But that in fact does not say that the card had not been pulled it said it has yet to publicly surface there is a difference. Anybody filing a lawsuit on the grounds that they say that post says that it had not been pulled would have it thrown out.

Is it shady as hell? Absolutely is it illegal technically no but I'm not a lawyer so maybe there's some loophole in there that I don't know about[/QUOTE]

The Jan 8th post doesn't really bother me, for the reasons you said.

They did have a post on Jan 4th where they said that 68 of these had yet to publicly surface and mentioned Skenes as still missing. That could be a simple they pulled a report and sent the information out. Some higher ups being informed on the 3rd doesn't necessarily mean that the code was entered, or that the information was passed along to the social media team.

[QUOTE=Osfan81;19793282]The lack of info is unethical and harmful to the extent that Topps: 1) knew that it was pulled as of January 3; 2) they continued to advertise or at least hint it as not being pulled as of January 8; and 3) they continued to profit off of sales of Topps Chrome Update on Fanatics Live during this entire time knowing full well that it was already pulled. That is completely unethical and bordering on fraud. The people that bought into Pirates breaks or random teams at a jacked up price bc of the shenanigans ought to be pissed off royally.[/QUOTE]

All valid concerns here. A employee for CGC who I follow on Instagram posted the drop off of secondary market ‘24 TCU wax after the news broke and the difference was significant. I don’t remember the exact number, but it definitely impacted sales. We can assume it impacted break buy-in numbers too (although that wasn’t posted in the graph).

[QUOTE=Cracktoast;19793306]But that in fact does not say that the card had not been pulled it said it has yet to publicly surface there is a difference. Anybody filing a lawsuit on the grounds that they say that post says that it had not been pulled would have it thrown out.

Is it shady as hell? Absolutely is it illegal technically no but I'm not a lawyer so maybe there's some loophole in there that I don't know about[/QUOTE]

Wrong: it could be illegal. It’s illegal to engage in deceptive marketing under the Lanham Act, which includes misleading statements. One could make a solid argument that their marketing after January 3 was misleading.

Thanks Fanatics! You're really great for the hobby!

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[QUOTE=Osfan81;19793332]Wrong: it could be illegal. It’s illegal to engage in deceptive marketing under the Lanham Act, which includes misleading statements. One could make a solid argument that their marketing after January 3 was misleading.[/QUOTE]

Someone file a class-action lawsuit so people that bought TCU boxes can eventually get a $1.57 settlement check 5 years from now while the lawyers laugh to the bank!

[QUOTE=BoSoxFan1999;19793337]Someone file a class-action lawsuit so people that bought TCU boxes can eventually get a $1.57 settlement check 5 years from now while the lawyers laugh to the bank![/QUOTE]

It’s not just the lawyers. They could force Topps to make a databank so that any time one of the big cards is redeemed, Topps has to post it publicly somewhere. That’d stop the advertising after they’re aware crap. FTC could look at them as well…

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;19793173][B]I know Eric personally, so no. [/B]You are projecting your own faults on to him, and anyone who knows Eric thinks you’re an idiot.[/QUOTE]



agree.

Eric is a great guy, really supportive and informative to me when I got back into the hobby in 2001 and always responsive/pleasant when I ask him a question.

[QUOTE=Osfan81;19793338]It’s not just the lawyers. They could force Topps to make a databank so that any time one of the big cards is redeemed, Topps has to post it publicly somewhere. That’d stop the advertising after they’re aware crap. FTC could look at them as well…[/QUOTE]

This all sounds great, but here's what would really happen. The big cards would no longer be redemptions. Take the debut patch cards, not every big card was a redemption.

[QUOTE=jlzinck;19793308]I already have a trust which would claim any prize. Again I am not some moron who doesn't research things he says like lots of other people[/QUOTE]

Or maybe you already won the lottery and are keeping it quiet!
Yes, I read how your state has that mechanism in place to protect privacy but many states do not.
If we use California as an example... since the card was pulled their, your name would be public record so not everyone has the same benefit as you do in MA.

[QUOTE=whitmm;19793347]This all sounds great, but here's what would really happen. The big cards would no longer be redemptions. Take the debut patch cards, not every big card was a redemption.[/QUOTE]

Good. Redemptions suck. They need to stop selling stuff they don't have yet anyway. I mean c'mon.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19793269]Live long and prosper.[/QUOTE]

Is Fanatics The Borg?

Resistance is futile. Assimilate into the new hobby, or die.

[QUOTE=Promethius88;19793228]Again I will ask.... who honestly thinks that an [B]11 year old that pulls a card like this doesn't tell someone who tells someone else and it's then it's everywhere? We are talking an entire month. Most kids can't keep a secret for an hour much less a month.
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Also, do we really know if it was "little Timmy"? Everything I've see just says it was an 11 year old collector and event the "journal" only says "I'm 11 years old". Doesn't mention it was a boy. Couldn't it be "little Sally" that pulled the card?[/QUOTE]



Don't you see? The parents 100% don't want to be doxxed. They want complete anonymity. They restricted little "timmy" from talking to all his friends/family and kept him off socials and put him in witness protection so he wouldn't talk to anyone:)!:)!:)!


Just another improbable part to the story.............

[QUOTE=JustRachel;19793355]Good. Redemptions suck. They need to stop selling stuff they don't have yet anyway. I mean c'mon.[/QUOTE]

I agree with that in general. I will point out that this wasn't the case with these. They had the Skenes card in hand before the product was released.

I believe the reason that they are redemptions in the hobby packs, while live in jumbo/breaker's delight, is that with only 4 cards in a pack, they would be easily searchable.

[QUOTE=OhioLawyerF5;19793236]Kids don't have to keep a secret for something not to make its way to mainstream outlets. He could very well be the talk of his little neighborhood right now for all we know. That doesn't mean you would necessarily find out about it. [B]Information flows well in this day and age, but definitely not as freely as you seem to think. LOTS of people aren't as plugged into social media. Especially those "resolute" on protecting their identity.[/QUOTE]
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You talk about poeple twisting the narrative then you do the same thing. Love it.:doh: