[QUOTE=splitrockgamer;18060650]I parsed this down. Amazing write up by the way, more informational than most baseball writers are putting out there.

I have two questions as a Twins fan that doesn't follow as closely as I do football, but I love team building.

1) Isn't bringing in a SS like Story a total stopper to Lewis/Martin? I know people have some what moved on from Royce, but he is still young and maybe the Twins got to cute trying to do what the Stros did with Correa, and mine as well cut your loses and move on now? Martin doesn't seem that far off from the bigs though too and I feel like he is that future SS for the Twins.

2) Where do you go for pitching? I know its a cliche that every team wants pitching and there just isn't enough. I would like to hear your honest opinion on how you fill this short and long term though.

Again I am not as entrenched in baseball as I am in football, but to me just like every other sport you need to decide are you building or competing, and to me just seems like the Twins need to continue building, because they are not ready to compete for the next couple of years. I think the White Sox run away with the division this year and Royals and Twins are still kind of in that build mode, just my uneducated view, would like to know your thoughts.[/QUOTE]

If, and that's a big if, the Twins sign Story, that leaves Lewis and/or Martin as trade chips for possible starting pitching.

[QUOTE=mnvikingstwins;18060679]Story's stats are very average for away games would be a shame to overpay for him. Royce ideally the SS for future, Martin's defense at SS is bad[/QUOTE]

You have to take the away splits of Rockies players with a grain of salt. Constantly having to adjust to and from playing in Coors makes a big difference. Everybody said the same thing about DJ LeMahieu when he left Colorado, and 3 of his top 4 seasons in regards to OPS+ have come since leaving Coors Field.

[QUOTE=clarkzac;18060774]If, and that's a big if, the Twins sign Story, that leaves Lewis and/or Martin as trade chips for possible starting pitching.
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Good point, it's a gamble either way then.. like you said big IF it happens though

[QUOTE=splitrockgamer;18060800]Good point, it's a gamble either way then.. like you said big IF it happens though[/QUOTE]

I've been one of those wanting the Twins to sign Story from the get go, but didn't envision it happening this way. Would have been fun to slot him in the lineup the way it was with Garver and Donaldson

[QUOTE=mnvikingstwins;18060679]Story's stats are very average for away games would be a shame to overpay for him. Royce ideally the SS for future, Martin's defense at SS is bad[/QUOTE]

If you look at other Rockies players who leave Colorado, their stats even out and become more so the middle ground between their home and away. Story will be similar. When you leave Colorado, you get more acclimated because you’re seeing roughly the same ball movement in 29 other parks. Colorado is more than just benefitting hitters. It hurts Rockies hitters because it’s constantly back and forth with home and away to how breaking balls break.

Love the write up Hollywood, full agreement here

Interested to see what the next step is, you know it’s coming. You don’t shed Donaldson’s contract without having a few moves already planned ahead of time.

I think Twins sign Story and then trade for another Sonny Gray esque veteran type. A SP who’s maybe a bit overpaid but still gets the job done. Also can definitely see the twins bringing back Pineda, would provide stability in the rotation.

Ideally Twins have 3 SP slots taken up by Gray, INSERT ACQUISITION, Bundy

Which leaves 2 SP slots for the young guys to battle it out. Which as of now it’s Joe Ryan and Bailey Ober in the lead to start out in the rotation to start the season

Run the rotation in This order

Gray
Insert acquisition
Joe Ryan
Bundy
Bailey Ober

And then that fifth spot kind of rotates between the young guys

It’s definitely seeming like the Twins FO is preparing to go for it in 2023. This year is being used as the setup year

You take this year, you figure out how your close to MLB ready prospects are doing, debut them. In addition you see how guys like Kirilloff grow. Analyze your weak points. Then go in to compete in 2023.

With that timeline plan, Donaldson didn’t make much sense. Someone like Story makes a lot more sense

Apparently Twins are in on Wil Myers?

[QUOTE=Eckstein197;18061751]Apparently Twins are in on Wil Myers?[/QUOTE]

What the heck for

[QUOTE=Thew;18062125]What the heck for[/QUOTE]

Apparently the Padres would attach Luis Campusano if a team wants to take Myers contract.

Twins could then flip Campusano or keep him if that ends up being true

Where are you seeing any of that?

[QUOTE=Eckstein197;18062178]Apparently the Padres would attach Luis Campusano if a team wants to take Myers contract.

Twins could then flip Campusano or keep him if that ends up being true[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;18062196]Where are you seeing any of that?[/QUOTE]

Just random rumors on Twitter, I’m antsy for news

Aaron Gleeman randomly just tweeted that he wrote about Frankie Montas in a potential trade target article.

Smoke???

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Why worry about 2022 Twin fans are already saying this is a set up year wait til 2023 and 2022 hasn't even started. Very positive fans in Minnesota.

[QUOTE=EBCollectibles;18065108]Why worry about 2022 Twin fans are already saying this is a set up year wait til 2023 and 2022 hasn't even started. Very positive fans in Minnesota.[/QUOTE]

Set up years are fun because you can see the pieces coming together for the upcoming run

Reports are NYY, MIN, CWS, TEX all pursuing Montas and/or Manaea from the Athletics

Here’s hoping they land one of them. Curious what the cost is gonna be, feels like it’s going to be expensive

Get Montas or Manaea, and then go get Story

I'd really like Montas. At this point I'm prioritizing how long they're under contract for. He's only under contract for this season and next, as is Gray, but Manaea is a FA after this year. This is another spot where I think my personal fandom doesn't line up with the FO's mentality, but pitching has been such a weak spot for such a long time, I really want to start getting some quality arms we can count on for the next several years and not have to continually worry about finding 3+ SPs each offseason

That said, clearly one of the FO's strategies is to not give out high dollars over the long term to pitchers. And it makes sense, those are some of the riskiest contracts out there. The saving grace is all our prospects/young SPs that are coming up. This will be more of a developmental year still for Ryan, Ober, Balazovic, Winder, etc etc but ideally they all have great seasons and start to become guys we can pencil into the rotation long term and genuinely feel good about. And again I think that's still the FO's goal, to get young cheap talent in the rotation so you don't have to shell out big bucks for the top tier SPs in order to have a competitive rotation

[QUOTE=Eckstein197;18065847]Reports are NYY, MIN, CWS, TEX all pursuing Montas and/or Manaea from the Athletics

Here’s hoping they land one of them. Curious what the cost is gonna be, feels like it’s going to be expensive

Get Montas or Manaea, and then go get Story[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;18065874]I'd really like Montas. At this point I'm prioritizing how long they're under contract for. He's only under contract for this season and next, as is Gray, but Manaea is a FA after this year. This is another spot where I think my personal fandom doesn't line up with the FO's mentality, but pitching has been such a weak spot for such a long time, I really want to start getting some quality arms we can count on for the next several years and not have to continually worry about finding 3+ SPs each offseason

That said, clearly one of the FO's strategies is to not give out high dollars over the long term to pitchers. And it makes sense, those are some of the riskiest contracts out there. The saving grace is all our prospects/young SPs that are coming up. This will be more of a developmental year still for Ryan, Ober, Balazovic, Winder, etc etc but ideally they all have great seasons and start to become guys we can pencil into the rotation long term and genuinely feel good about. And again I think that's still the FO's goal, to get young cheap talent in the rotation so you don't have to shell out big bucks for the top tier SPs in order to have a competitive rotation[/QUOTE]

For sure. If we do get Montas, I very much think Balazovic is going to be gone and then someone like Larnach. It’s going to take a lot to get him. I hope we can keep Royce and Martin, but I am prepared to give one of them up to get someone like Montas (as long as the FO is confident he will resign)

Looking at those tiers of players that we may have to trade, I'd be ok with moving Lewis, Larnach, and/or Duran in one of these types of deals. Not necessarily because I'm low on any of them (though I think Duran is a big bullpen risk instead of the rotation), but I think other pieces we have make them replaceable. I personally don't want to move Martin, Balazovic, Canterino, or Winder at this point though

It is a little tricky trying to walk the line though of keeping as much pitching talent in the org so we continually have a pipeline to draw guys from, with finding the right time to cash some of that in

[QUOTE=Eckstein197;18065881]For sure. If we do get Montas, I very much think Balazovic is going to be gone and then someone like Larnach. It’s going to take a lot to get him. I hope we can keep Royce and Martin, but I am prepared to give one of them up to get someone like Montas (as long as the FO is confident he will resign)[/QUOTE]

Please just go get Montas/Manaea and Story. Please

[QUOTE=Eckstein197;18065286]Set up years are fun because you can see the pieces coming together for the upcoming run[/QUOTE]

I guess every year is a set up year for the Twins.

[QUOTE=Eckstein197;18067337]Please just go get Montas/Manaea and Story. Please[/QUOTE]

Will it be a set up year then?

[QUOTE=EBCollectibles;18071029]Will it be a set up year then?[/QUOTE]

If they get them they’ll compete this year for a playoff spot absolutely. And then be even better off next year when Maeda returns from TJ

Falvey and Levine need to pull the trigger, get it done.

Feeling like the Twins made their offer but Story is waiting for a better one, perhaps from Texas which plays close to where his hometown is. Crazy he would willingly go to a team and have to switch positions

Holy #@#@#@#@! Is this legit??? Correa!

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