[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19791753]The PR team is working on the spin as we speak.[/QUOTE]

no doubt

[QUOTE=OhioLawyerF5;19791744]As someone who issues press releases in my job, issuing a press release is NOT journalism. It is providing the details I want to get out and presenting the story as I want it presented. It's up to the journalist to do the actual journalism.[/QUOTE]

Hmm -- you're telling me conventional media organizations don't also provide details they want in a manner they want?

Journalists can dig up any information they want, but it's up to their editor and publication to decide what gets reported.

[QUOTE=premium1981;19790009]-When you are laying on your deathbed looking back over your life the last thing you will care about is if Fanatics packed out the Paul Skenes Debut. [/QUOTE]

I don’t know man, some of us are pretty hardcore and stubbbbbbbborn.

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Yeah, no doubt this mystery is going to the afterlife with a few folks here.

[QUOTE=fabiani12333;19791757]Hmm -- you're telling me conventional media organizations don't also provide details they want in a manner they want?

Journalists can dig up any information they want, but it's up to their editor and publication to decide what gets reported.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it’s possible the media is not reporting the entire story for a reason, possibly a million reasons.

[QUOTE=fabiani12333;19791747]I mean, I think that's both a short-sighted approach, and an illogical one. They don't just want to draw in new customers, they want to retain the ones they have as well. Otherwise, it'll just be a continual churn of existing customers leaving and new customers being brought in, which is both not sustainable, and not a good way to grow their business.[/QUOTE]If only you were on the board of directors. You clearly know better.

However, they know that the new people they bring in like the way they are doing things. It's what brought them in. So your concern about having to churn new people isn't all that much of a concern. Even then, they know they CAN churn new customers. They do it selling crappy clothing, and it works. They'll do it with sports cards and it will work. No matter how hard you protest or think it's a bad strategy.

the general media has no idea about cards. they'll believe what Fanatics tells them

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19791754]Idiots are also incapable of reading between the lines.[/QUOTE]It's cute how some people have to spin things to make themselves feel like they aren't the idiot in the room.

[QUOTE=fabiani12333;19791757]Hmm -- you're telling me conventional media organizations don't also provide details they want in a manner they want?



Journalists can dig up any information they want, but it's up to their editor and publication to decide what gets reported.[/QUOTE]That's not what I said. I didn’t say anything about what a conventional media outlet does or doesn't do. It's irrelevant. Because Fanatics isn't one.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19791760]Yes, it’s possible the media is not reporting the entire story for a reason, possibly a million reasons.[/QUOTE]

Fanatics isn't the media. Topps isn't the media.

[QUOTE=OhioLawyerF5;19791766]It's cute how some people have to spin things to make themselves feel like they aren't the idiot in the [B]court[/B]room.[/QUOTE]

Fixed it for you, counselor.

Topps certainly does not owe us any reporting, but they’ve set a precedent for marketing more details on massive pulls like this.

5/15/24 they posted on IG about a collector in Europe pulling a Messi superfractor auto. Name, story, and a picture of the card on a box. Plenty other examples of similar big pulls with much more detail than we are getting on the Skenes card.

I think they were absolutely hoping for a very marketable story on the Skene’s card being pulled. However it happened was not that, so instead of just living with the fact that there isn’t a feel-good story to this card being pulled, they decided to get everyone involved on board and fabricate their own story.

[QUOTE=OhioLawyerF5;19791762]If only you were on the board of directors. You clearly know better.

However, they know that the new people they bring in like the way they are doing things. It's what brought them in. So your concern about having to churn new people isn't all that much of a concern. Even then, they know they CAN churn new customers. They do it selling crappy clothing, and it works. They'll do it with sports cards and it will work. No matter how hard you protest or think it's a bad strategy.[/QUOTE]

The success of the crappy clothing is because of their exclusivity. They have a monopoly. Fans want gear of their favorite teams and athletes, and Fanatics is their only option.

With regards to Topps customers, I think the Fanatics' brain trust is targeting gambling degenerates who will buy whatever they sell them. I don't fully subscribe to such a stark view, but there's probably a lot of truth to it.

[QUOTE=OhioLawyerF5;19791766]It's cute how some people have to spin things to make themselves feel like they aren't the idiot in the room.[/QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;19791748]anything they release going forward about it should be seen as backdating to fill in the story[/QUOTE]

Isn't that how all news reporting works?

When Bin Laden got killed there was a whooooooole lotta filling in that happened from the first hour to the day a movie was made. I don't know why so many are expecting the full buttoned-up story to be shared immediately when we would never expect that in any other traditional news situation.

[QUOTE=OhioLawyerF5;19791768]That's not what I said. I didn’t say anything about what a conventional media outlet does or doesn't do. It's irrelevant. Because Fanatics isn't one.[/QUOTE]

I'm not claiming Topps' social media person is a journalist. I'm saying they are acting like a conventional media organization reporting details to the public. It's not just advertising -- it's also original reporting. The details being reported needed to be obtained through a process that might not be a whole lot different than standard journalism -- asking questions.

[QUOTE=Rozarks;19791777]Topps certainly does not owe us any reporting, but they’ve set a precedent for marketing more details on massive pulls like this.

5/15/24 they posted on IG about a collector in Europe pulling a Messi superfractor auto. Name, story, and a picture of the card on a box. Plenty other examples of similar big pulls with much more detail than we are getting on the Skenes card.

I think they were absolutely hoping for a very marketable story on the Skene’s card being pulled. However it happened was not that, so instead of just living with the fact that there isn’t a feel-good story to this card being pulled, they decided to get everyone involved on board and fabricate their own story.[/QUOTE]

Their lack of transparency for this particular Skenes pull is their admission of guilt.

They are pleading the fifth here.

[QUOTE=Rozarks;19791777]Topps certainly does not owe us any reporting, but they’ve set a precedent for marketing more details on massive pulls like this.

5/15/24 they posted on IG about a collector in Europe pulling a Messi superfractor auto. Name, story, and a picture of the card on a box. Plenty other examples of similar big pulls with much more detail than we are getting on the Skenes card.

I think they were absolutely hoping for a very marketable story on the Skene’s card being pulled. However it happened was not that, so instead of just living with the fact that there isn’t a feel-good story to this card being pulled, they decided to get everyone involved on board and fabricate their own story.[/QUOTE]They can only tell a story if the people involved want it told.

[QUOTE=auctionjmm;19791783]Isn't that how all news reporting works?

When Bin Laden got killed there was a whooooooole lotta filling in that happened from the first hour to the day a movie was made. I don't know why so many are expecting the full buttoned-up story to be shared immediately when we would never expect that in any other traditional news situation.[/QUOTE]

sure. im just saying it wont matter what they say, the toothpaste cant be placed back in the tube.

they are running with what they released

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19791789]Their lack of transparency for this particular Skenes pull is their admission of guilt.

They are pleading the fifth here.[/QUOTE]

The silence is very incriminating.

[QUOTE=fabiani12333;19791787]I'm not claiming Topps' social media person is a journalist. I'm saying they are acting like a conventional media organization reporting details to the public. It's not just advertising -- it's also original reporting. The details being reported needed to be obtained through a process that might not be a whole lot different than standard journalism -- asking questions.[/QUOTE]No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true. It IS just advertising when a company's social media posts something. Itnis NEVER original reporting, nor should it be misconstrued as such. That is clearly part of the problem here. You are confused about the source of your information.

[QUOTE=seanbros55;19791793]The silence is very incriminating.[/QUOTE]

Hiding behind a child’s anonymity then exploiting that child’s story is disgusting.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19791799]Hiding behind a child’s anonymity then exploiting that child’s story is disgusting.[/QUOTE]

it wasnt accidental. they knew it would work

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;19791792] the toothpaste cant be placed back in the tube.

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Term of the Day:

“ the toothpaste can’t be placed back in the tube “

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19791789]Their lack of transparency for this particular Skenes pull is their admission of guilt.

They are pleading the fifth here.[/QUOTE]Silence is never an admission of guilt. Smoothbrains are the only ones who think it is.
The guilty sometimes stay silent, and the innocent sometimes stay silent. The silence is never an admission.

[QUOTE=OhioLawyerF5;19791795]No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true. It IS just advertising when a company's social media posts something. Itnis NEVER original reporting, nor should it be misconstrued as such. That is clearly part of the problem here. You are confused about the source of your information.[/QUOTE]

How is it not original reporting when they are using their social media account to publish details that weren't previously reported? My mind is blown.

It can be both advertising and reporting. Just like news media can both be informational and entertainment. Just like opinion pieces can have facts. It doesn't have to just be one or the other.