[QUOTE=whitmm;19791461]Do you read the thread? People absolutely wanted to know the kid's identity. They wanted to know who the dad was. Because they want to know if it was some breaker or a Fanatics employee.

I was looking at the box break section. I see some people don't mention where they purchased the box from. Kept this same energy and go start accusing them of hiding something.[/QUOTE]

We want to know the adult’s identity, yes, the father’s would be good information to start with. If he is a shop/breaker owner, that would be very important to know to shape public trust.

Everyone would like to protect the identity of the child, including myself.

No one is pulling a card of that stature in the box break section. Heck, does that section really still exist, lol?

How does knowing where the box came from clear anything up. The BOCT already believe that the card was never actually pulled and that Fanatics has masterminded this whole thing. Throwing a name of an LCS on this is just going to make people start saying that the LCS was being paid by Fanatics to be a part of this huge ruse they are pulling off

[QUOTE=whitmm;19791479]How does knowing where the box came from clear anything up. The BOCT already believe that the card was never actually pulled and that Fanatics has masterminded this whole thing. Throwing a name of an LCS on this is just going to make people start saying that the LCS was being paid by Fanatics to be a part of this huge ruse they are pulling off[/QUOTE]

It shows that they are not trying to hide anything by making the story completely transparent.

Delaying this information furthers public distrust of the company. Exploiting the child adds even more fuel to the fire.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19791478]We want to know the adult’s identity, yes, the father’s would be good information to start with. If he is a shop/breaker owner, that would be very important to know to shape public trust.

Everyone would like to protect the identity of the child, including myself.

No one is pulling a card of that stature in the box break section. Heck, does that section really still exist, lol?[/QUOTE]

Knowing the father's identity is knowing the child's identity.

You don't protect the child by announcing who his parent's are.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19791481]It shows that they are not trying to hide anything by making the story completely transparent.

Delaying this information furthers public distrust of the company. Exploiting the child adds even more fuel to the fire.[/QUOTE]

Read what I said. Quit acting like people are just asking for transparency on this. If a shop was named, this place would be filled with people saying the shop was working with Topps. Just like the 11 year old was made up. Just like the card being packed pulled was made up.

[QUOTE=whitmm;19791479]How does knowing where the box came from clear anything up. The BOCT already believe that the card was never actually pulled and that Fanatics has masterminded this whole thing. Throwing a name of an LCS on this is just going to make people start saying that the LCS was being paid by Fanatics to be a part of this huge ruse they are pulling off[/QUOTE]

There is middle ground here, believe it or not. Plenty people have suggested scenarios that don’t necessarily imply the card never being packed.

Degenerate dad addicted to breaking spends tens of thousands to land the card, approaches Topps with the journal story, and then marketing team eats it up and decides to run with it without realizing how silly it is all going to appear to anyone with a brain. Now it’s too late to pull back that story so might as well double down and not disclose any more details.

Why is that or other scenarios (fanatics employee pulling card, etc) that involve the card still being packed out such a hard thing to believe? Or why is anyone crazy for theorizing it based on the bogus story we can all agree is being fed here?

Not everyone is a conspiracy theorist nut job for questioning this stuff, despite how much you want that to be the case.

Not disclosing where the box came from, while providing personal details about who redeemed the card, is pretty sus, as the kids like to say.

Those who buy Topps products want to know they have a fair shot at pulling a product chase card. Providing details about where the box containing the redemption card was purchased from would go a long way to building trust between Topps and their customers.

This card was heavily marketed to the public. To end up not knowing what outlet the box was purchased from, even though Topps could easily provide that information, has many of their customers suspicious of how high-value chase cards are distributed.

the masses do not care.
they will continue to lap up whatever Fanatics tells/sells them

[QUOTE=whitmm;19791486]Knowing the father's identity is knowing the child's identity.

You don't protect the child by announcing who his parent's are.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely not true.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19791545]Absolutely not true.[/QUOTE]

It absolutely is true. Identity isn't just a name.

If you know that it was the son of Breaker X, you absolutely know the identity of the kid, especially when you know the age of the kid.

[QUOTE=whitmm;19791567]It absolutely is true. Identity isn't just a name.

If you know that it was the son of Breaker X, you absolutely know the identity of the kid, especially when you know the age of the kid.[/QUOTE]

Sure. The son of breaker x. Sounds revealing to me.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19791579]Sure. The son of breaker x. Sounds revealing to me.[/QUOTE]

The 11 year old son of (insert name here), who runs (insert name)'s Breaks. Yeah, that's revealing.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19791452]Nobody wants to know the kid’s identity - it’s irrelevant.

Journalistic integrity demands the full story. Where did the box come from is one of the most basic things for the public to know to maintain trust for the company. Their leaving out such an important fact smells of a cover up.[/QUOTE]

Fanatics is not a media organization. There are no journalists. You are treating them like a news outlet that has certain reporting expectations but that's not what they are.

Here's an idea...what if an actual media organization is planning to publish the story? ESPN, CNN, Yahoo News, New York Times, even Beckett...why not let an actual media source do the job that media does (if they deem the story to be interesting enough to publish)? They (because they have journalist integrity) would be the ones to ask all those questions and then publish a story.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19791350]It’s called responsible reporting.

They are hiding something.[/QUOTE]How absurd. This isn't reporting at all. Neither Fanatics nor this family is a news agency. Expecting any release of information of either of these parties to be "responsible reporting" is only something a fool would expect. You have misunderstood, mischaracterized, and mistepresented this situation every step of the way. :doh:

[QUOTE=boxbuster7;19791345]Regardless of what side you are on Fanatics screwed this up

they made something that should've been really special a PR nightmare[/QUOTE]I explained this in the other thread. Anyone who thinks this is anything but a PR homerun for Fanatics is absolutely clueless.

yes, i agree its a PR Home Run

even though its not legit, the masses just want to feel good

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;19791629]yes, i agree its a PR Home Run

even though its not legit, the masses just want to feel good[/QUOTE]Still waiting on a shred of evidence to support your claim. I'm open to anything being the truth, I just insist on, you know, actual evidence, before staking my name and reputation on something. I have too much intelligence and integrity to just type "#thankstopps."

[QUOTE=OhioLawyerF5;19791642]Still waiting on a shred of evidence to support your claim. I'm open to anything being the truth, I just insist on, you know, actual evidence, before staking my name and reputation on something. I have too much intelligence and integrity to just type "#thankstopps."[/QUOTE]

i hear ya

Something that I don't believe has been mentioned in this never ending thread is how unbelievable it is to think that an 11 year old isn't going to tell a friend who will then tell another and so on. One month and they told NOBODY that would have then reported it on social media? I'm not buying that.

I also read in a post that "the family may have wanted to get their financial affairs in order...". C'mon. Let's assume that the card sells for a million. Take out the taxes and yeah, it's a good chunk of money but it's not like they are going to go buy an island somewhere. They live in California, it's sure not going to stretch as far as it would in other states.

im waiting on evidence it was actually pulled

Because Fanatics says so doesnt cut it for me

[QUOTE=OhioLawyerF5;19791616]I explained this in the other thread. Anyone who thinks this is anything but a PR homerun for Fanatics is absolutely clueless.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. It's a PR home run as it relates to the general public, yes. But as it relates to existing Topps customers who chased the Skenes card, it brings up more questions than answers. It may have them regretting buying '24 TCU, or it may discourage them from chasing the next big card.

Topps/Fanatics needs to be more transparent if it wants to continue to grow its business. Their customers want to know the process of distributing high-value cards is fair and transparent.

Even gambling addicts want to know they have a fair shot at the big prize.

[QUOTE=OhioLawyerF5;19791616]I explained this in the other thread. Anyone who thinks this is anything but a PR homerun for Fanatics is absolutely clueless.[/QUOTE]

I had breakfast with my brother this morning. He hasn't collected cards since the mid 90's, but he mentioned the Skenes card. Definitely a PR win.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;19791653]im waiting on evidence it was actually pulled

Because Fanatics says so doesnt cut it for me[/QUOTE]

Please tell me how you can prove a card was pulled that was not recorded?

[QUOTE=auctionjmm;19791605]Fanatics is not a media organization. There are no journalists. You are treating them like a news outlet that has certain reporting expectations but that's not what they are.

Here's an idea...what if an actual media organization is planning to publish the story? ESPN, CNN, Yahoo News, New York Times, even Beckett...why not let an actual media source do the job that media does (if they deem the story to be interesting enough to publish)? They (because they have journalist integrity) would be the ones to ask all those questions and then publish a story.[/QUOTE]

Fanatics isn't a conventional media organization, no. But on social media they do a lot of original reporting. In this instance, they released details about the redeemer of the Skenes card to generate publicity. Considering they were required by law to sell the card in a fair manner -- randomly distributed inside packs and boxes -- it would behoove them to reveal how the card was obtained.

[QUOTE=itsbaytime;19791685]Please tell me how you can prove a card was pulled that was not recorded?[/QUOTE]

who sold the box, who bought the box, photos of the card with people not involved with the grift. that would only help