yea I had it right then changed it...then realized I was wrong

[QUOTE=oldgoldy97;19499441]Is Luka’s fatness really being considered an injury?[/QUOTE]

Fat people don’t win titles.

[QUOTE=rms13;19499435]No, there is no way he's better then Tatum and no way Klay is better then Tatum and he'll be in the HOF too. People just want to hate this team and that's fine. You would think Porzingis is more important than Tatum by comments here yet he's been hurt the entire play offs and that doesn't seem to matter the same way that guys being hurt on teams the C's faced. I said before the series that the C's would need to sweep the Mavs with Luka and Kyrie healthy to get any credit but clearly that isn't even going to get them credit from the masses. Oh well, I'll still enjoy the championship.[/QUOTE]

there's at least 3 future HOFers on this Celts team, right?

The 2 all-NBA players; and Jrue will have been on two championships

I guess White would need several more seasons like this one

What's Horford's HOF percentage these days

[QUOTE=MJGOAT23;19499437]This bold/post should have ended the thread. Y'all have no clue what you're watching if you don't think [B]Tatum[/B] is the clear #1. He does fall in love with trying to create finesse buckets but that's about the last piece in his development.[B] Plus he's only 19[/B]. IFYKYK[/QUOTE]

idk man I think he's like 25/26

[QUOTE=boxbuster7;19499536]Look at the Chiefs - got the best QB on the planet and have only won 3 of the last 5 super bowls. Winning championships is hard.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=pingbling23;19499542]Only won the last 3 of 6 lol.[/QUOTE]

lebron's an even bigger loser than pat

Brady 7-3 in the Big One = goat emoticon (American football)

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19499625]Fat people don’t win titles.[/QUOTE]

idiot, see 2023

Well, the real important question:

Will the media members screw Jaylen Brown out of Finals MVP if Tatum has a solid performance tonight in Game 4 (assume a 30/8/8 game on decent efficiency) and the Cs close the series?

[QUOTE=oldgoldy97;19499407]If people have Draymond in the HoF do we really think he’s better than Tatum?[/QUOTE]

Draymond did his job, go out and get 10/10/8 and be a defensive pain in the butt to the other team. He was a vital piece of a team that won multiple titles.

No one gets recognition for that role [I]unless[/I] you win multiple titles. Which makes it all the more remarkable.

:doh: wrong thread

[QUOTE=GOATcards;19501198]idk man I think he's like 25/26





lebron's an even bigger loser than pat

Brady 7-3 in the Big One = goat emoticon (American football)



idiot, see 2023[/QUOTE]

Are you calling joker fat?

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19501408]Are you calling joker fat?[/QUOTE]

it's a fact. he's a sloppy fatboy

[QUOTE=GOATcards;19501467]it's a fact. he's a sloppy fatboy[/QUOTE]

He’s not fat.

He’s just euro.

[url]https://www.instagram.com/p/C8U4qsPOR83/?igsh=ang5NnhsOWwwZjA=[/url]

This is the same guy who says Kobe was his mentor. :rolleyes:

You can't teach killer.

Does a big performance in a finals clinching win bump Tatum's card market at all? Seems like nothing he's done so far has moved it.

[QUOTE=rms13;19505343]Does a big performance in a finals clinching win bump Tatum's card market at all? Seems like nothing he's done so far has moved it.[/QUOTE]

3 titles are cooked into every modern 'stars' cards. There might be a drunken buying spree for a few days but nothing will move them up considerably. Consider how many graded cards he has, it's not like they are rare. Higher end stuff might move a little more but that's just temporary too

[QUOTE=rms13;19505343]Does a big performance in a finals clinching win bump Tatum's card market at all? Seems like nothing he's done so far has moved it.[/QUOTE]

Titles only sustain prices for a few days. Everyone is rushing out the door to sell.

Everything still drops regardless.

Too hard to capture those breaker losses.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19505399]Titles only sustain prices for a few days. Everyone is rushing out the door to sell.

Everything still drops regardless.

Too hard to capture those breaker losses.[/QUOTE]

What the hell does it have to do with breakers?

[QUOTE=rms13;19505343]Does a big performance in a finals clinching win bump Tatum's card market at all? Seems like nothing he's done so far has moved it.[/QUOTE]

Not sure, but the market has been flooded with his cards the last week or two. So the real question may be: Is a championship even enough to increase demand to match the surge in supply.

[QUOTE=rms13;19505343]Does a big performance in a finals clinching win bump Tatum's card market at all? Seems like nothing he's done so far has moved it.[/QUOTE]

I have an auto and a numbered rookie listed on eBay that I could take or leave if they actually get sold.

Good series for Tatum. Demonstrated real growth in his game as a passer. Boston is really tough to beat if he isn't always looking to score in isolation.

Congratulations to Jaylen Brown, MVP of the Eastern conference finals and now MVP of the finals, as well.

Ouch 2nd fiddle now to Brown horrible for his market.

[QUOTE=Hellcat;19505480]Ouch 2nd fiddle now to Brown horrible for his market.[/QUOTE]

So Curry was 2nd fiddle to Iguodala?

Not exactly - Curry changed the game forever and won 4 titles in 8 years

[QUOTE=AwesomeBrian;19505407]What the hell does it have to do with breakers?[/QUOTE]

Most high end Tatums were obtained via breaks.

[QUOTE=msink28;19505444]Good series for Tatum. Demonstrated real growth in his game as a passer. Boston is really tough to beat if he isn't always looking to score in isolation.[/QUOTE]

It’s easier to hit 3’s when you are up by 20+!!!

you always have an excuse for everything bro...tatum had a good series but brown deserves mvp. not complicated

[QUOTE=boxbuster7;19505553]tatum had a good series [B]but brown deserves mvp[/B]. not complicated[/QUOTE]

Agree. And it wasn't close.

Ooomph

A few people will ghost out of here now.

Tatum even thought he padded enough late to get it.

[QUOTE=rms13;19505343]Does a big performance in a finals clinching win bump Tatum's card market at all? Seems like nothing he's done so far has moved it.[/QUOTE]

No not really... he didn't do much all playoffs and was out shined by his teammates.

Tatum being the best player on the Celtics and Brown winning ECF MVP and Finals MVPs are mutually exclusive events.

I have watched enough Celtics game now that too me it is clear. Tatum may be the best overall player and leader of the team. Brown is the big game clutch player. They likely don't win without each other.

[QUOTE=Scottish Punk;19505726]I have watched enough Celtics game now that too me it is clear. Tatum may be the best overall player and leader of the team. Brown is the big game clutch player. They likely don't win without each other.[/QUOTE]

That’s how most NBA teams are built today.

Finals stats:

JT: 22.2 PPG, 7.8 RBS, 7.2 AST, 1.6 STOCKS, 16.4 GmSc, -2 RTG, +6, 29.7% USG
JB: 20.8 PPG, 5.4 RBS, 5.0 AST, 2.4 STOCKS, 14.9 GmSc, -1 RTG, +14, 27.4% USG

Everyone agrees that Tatum didn't play that well in the Finals but his overall numbers are better or on par with Brown's. It's clear who the best player on the team is.

[QUOTE=Bosoxfan5990;19505714]Tatum being the best player on the Celtics and Brown winning ECF MVP and Finals MVPs are mutually exclusive events.[/QUOTE]

People taking a 10 game stretch over multiple seasons of data is just wild to me

[QUOTE=yiguiri2002;19505978]People taking a 10 game stretch over multiple seasons of data is just wild to me[/QUOTE]

That's how you get clicks these days.

Can't rely on the numbers TOO much for the narratives. The eye test is crucial, and when things weren't going the Celtics' way, Brown rose to the occasion every time, hit some clutch shots, and kept the Celtics alive.

[QUOTE=90sbasketballin;19505996]Can't rely on the numbers TOO much for the narratives. The eye test is crucial, and when things weren't going the Celtics' way, Brown rose to the occasion every time, hit some clutch shots, and kept the Celtics alive.[/QUOTE]

And in the finals clinching game coming off an embarrsing loss, Tatum played a nearly perfect game. I really dont' care who's the #1 and I don't think Tatum or Brown care. I'm just glad the C's have the best 1-2 combo in the NBA and they have many years left to build another Celtics dynasty.

[QUOTE=rms13;19506053]And in the finals clinching game coming off an embarrsing loss, Tatum played a nearly perfect game. I really dont' care who's the #1 and I don't think Tatum or Brown care. I'm just glad the C's have the best 1-2 combo in the NBA and they have many years left to build another Celtics dynasty.[/QUOTE]

It’s easy to make 3’s when you have a 20 point lead!

[QUOTE=rms13;19506053]And in the finals clinching game coming off an embarrsing loss, Tatum played a nearly perfect game. I really dont' care who's the #1 and I don't think Tatum or Brown care. [B]I'm just glad the C's have the best 1-2 combo in the NBA[/B] and they have many years left to build another Celtics dynasty.[/QUOTE]

Did Joker/Murray and AD/LeBron died or something?

[QUOTE=yiguiri2002;19506074]Did Joker/Murray and AD/LeBron died or something?[/QUOTE]

Murray hasn't made an AS Team.

AD is fragile and LeBron is over the hill.

[QUOTE=yiguiri2002;19506074]Did Joker/Murray and AD/LeBron died or something?[/QUOTE]

Joker might be better then Tatum/Brown but Tatum and Brown are both better then Murray and I'll take Tatum/Brown combo over Jokic/Murray. Hopefully we get to see them in the finals next year. Lebron/AD won one title in the covid season. There is no way I beliieve that AD would have made it to the play offs if it was an actual full season. In actual full seasons they've barely been a play in team

[QUOTE=Bosoxfan5990;19506075]Murray hasn't made an AS Team.

AD is fragile and LeBron is over the hill.[/QUOTE]

Any borderline AS with Joker is part of the best two man combo in the league.

Maybe next season, this season they both player at a 2nd team All-NBA level.

[QUOTE=rms13;19506084]Joker might be better then Tatum/Brown but Tatum and Brown are both better then Murray and I'll take Tatum/Brown combo over Jokic/Murray. Hopefully we get to see them in the finals next year. Lebron/AD won one title in the covid season. There is no way I beliieve that AD would have made it to the play offs if it was an actual full season. In actual full seasons they've barely been a play in team[/QUOTE]

Switch the Lakers and Celtics supporting cast and we'll be talking about how the 23-24 Lakers are one of the best teams of all-time.

[QUOTE=nbahobbyaddict;19505639]Agree. And it wasn't close.[/QUOTE]

why does everyone insist on this hyperbole. Of course it's close. If you really know basketball, you'd easily realize no one on the Celtics shines the way they do if Tatum isn't the focus of the opposing defense and running the offense. Check last years game 7 vs Miami. Tatum rolls his ankle and Brown fumbles the bag. Now, Brown made a massive improvement and was absolutely clutch all playoffs but reverse the roles, Brown FG% drops and Tatum flourishes. Let's not get it twisted.

Jaylen silver PSA 10 is a $350 card and Jaysun a $1,000 card.

My faith in the collecting markets restored. Given that about 5x more were printed starting in 2019, both seem like a bargain.

[QUOTE=Bosoxfan5990;19506075]Murray hasn't made an AS Team.

AD is fragile and LeBron is over the hill.[/QUOTE]

Lol, the All Star team.

[QUOTE=Nomad;19506563]Jaylen silver PSA 10 is a $350 card and Jaysun a $1,000 card.

My faith in the collecting markets restored. Given that about 5x more were printed starting in 2019, both seem like a bargain.[/QUOTE]

Jamal Murray selling for around $280. So if card value indicates real player value that that proves Tatum and Brown are both better then Murray

[QUOTE=AwesomeBrian;19506624]Lol, the All Star team.[/QUOTE]


Exactly. Murray can’t even make that low bar.

[QUOTE=yiguiri2002;19506128]Any borderline AS with Joker is part of the best two man combo in the league.

Maybe next season, this season they both player at a 2nd team All-NBA level.



Switch the Lakers and Celtics supporting cast and we'll be talking about how the 23-24 Lakers are one of the best teams of all-time.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree.

Murray reminds me of Tony Parker in some ways. He'll get stuff all recognition, but he'll be a winner. Some people just don't understand.

I have to say, if any top team got to keep their 2 best players, and then add Jrue, Zinger, White and Horf, they're also champions and being GOATED.

[QUOTE=Bosoxfan5990;19505714]Tatum being the best player on the Celtics and Brown winning ECF MVP and Finals MVPs are mutually exclusive events.[/QUOTE]

With this logic Andre Iguodala was the best player in GSW before Durant arrived, then Durant became the best player in this team, and only after Durants departure Curry became the best player of GSW. How many GSW and Curry fans agree with that? Curry was carried to first 3 chips, and only deserves credit for the 4th one.

[QUOTE=MJGOAT23;19506471]why does everyone insist on this hyperbole. Of course it's close. If you really know basketball, you'd easily realize no one on the Celtics shines the way they do if Tatum isn't the focus of the opposing defense and running the offense. Check last years game 7 vs Miami. Tatum rolls his ankle and Brown fumbles the bag. Now, Brown made a massive improvement and was absolutely clutch all playoffs but reverse the roles, Brown FG% drops and Tatum flourishes. Let's not get it twisted.[/QUOTE]

Hyperbole? Nah. JB was the very heavy betting favorite to win Finals MVP going into Game 5. Tatum padding his stats in the Game 5 blowout wasn't enough to reverse the obvious and inevitable.

The compilation on IG of Tatum trying to create an iconic moment postgame is hilarious. What a fake.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;19507280]The compilation on IG of Tatum trying to create an iconic moment postgame is hilarious. What a fake.[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8XQGq7RZGi/?igsh=dnhlNzd3OTE1dXlz[/url]

[url]https://www.complex.com/sports/a/markelibert/jayson-tatum-clowned-championship-celebrations[/url]

[QUOTE=Torro;19507251]With this logic Andre Iguodala was the best player in GSW before Durant arrived, then Durant became the best player in this team, and only after Durants departure Curry became the best player of GSW. How many GSW and Curry fans agree with that? Curry was carried to first 3 chips, and only deserves credit for the 4th one.[/QUOTE]
There are cases where all time greats are carried to victory in a Finals series. There are also cases where all time players are essential to their team’s success, they just don’t happen to be the best player on the court during that particular series.

Kareem is a great example. Late in his career, Kareem was still a key contributor when the Lakers defeated the Celtics in the 1987 Finals, but he wasn’t close to be the best player on the court. That would be Magic. However, the following season, you could say he was definitely carried by his teammates. He averaged just 13.1 ppg on 41% shooting, and just 4.1 boards a game against the Pistons in the Finals. He was outscored by three of his teammates, and out rebounded by four of them during the series. By the way, Worthy was the Finals MVP in this series. But there’s no way he deserved it, Magic was clearly the MVP.

The same could be said of Curry in 2015. He deserved the MVP over Iggy, but an argument could be made that LeBron actually should have gotten it. Regardless, Curry was never carried by anyone to a championship. He was an essential player in every chip he won, he just wasn’t always the best player on the court. On a side note, KD performed much better in the playoffs with Curry than without him. Statistically, KD put up some of the greatest post season performances ever when he teamed up with Curry. Without him he was just okay, despite teaming up with Westbrook, Harden, Irving, and Booker.

In this series, it was a total team effort, especially on D. Tatum was not carried to a chip, they don’t win this without him. He’s the only player ever to average the most points, assists, and rebounds for the winning team in a Finals series and not win MVP. Having said that, Brown deserved MVP. He outplayed Tatum in games 1 and 2, game 3 was a wash, and game 4 we won’t count. Tatum only outplays Brown in the final game, but it’s not enough to get him the MVP.

Im a life long Celtics Fan,For whats its worth i saw the last few years of the Russell era,and everything since.1). This is not a historic team,in a 7 game series i would take any of the previous 17 winners.2).JT and JB are a good duo,but the reason they won was 2-9 thats what sets the team apart from everyone else.The current NBA is a bit weaker than normal.If this years Celtics played in 1980-1996 they dont get to the east final let alone win a title.

Hobby love is not the be all to end all of talent,See Moses Malone as an example.The hobby is a popularity contest for the most part.

Feel free to disagree,always willing to listen.

[QUOTE=Gary;19507303]Im a life long Celtics Fan,For whats its worth i saw the last few years of the Russell era,and everything since.1). This is not a historic team,in a 7 game series i would take any of the previous 17 winners.2).JT and JB are a good duo,but the reason they won was 2-9 thats what sets the team apart from everyone else.The current NBA is a bit weaker than normal.If this years Celtics played in 1980-1996 they dont get to the east final let alone win a title.

Hobby love is not the be all to end all of talent,See Moses Malone as an example.The hobby is a popularity contest for the most part.

Feel free to disagree,always willing to listen.[/QUOTE]

This Celtics team is more of a culmination and payoff of their past runs. It’s been a very good team that’s contended for years now. They had a gauntlet run in 22 going through the Nets, Bucks, and Miami. All it did was left them banged up going against a veteran championship tested team. They got over the hump and beat the teams they were supposed in this run. Were other teams injured? Sure. The Celtics were also missing their starting center who provided an unstoppable wrinkle into their offense and protected the rim (yet no one wants to acknowledge that hurdle)

As far as competition relative to other eras? Let’s not pretend that the Lakers had a tough road to go through during the 80’s. They played whatever was left from the bloodbath out of the East and won a few titles because of that. That’s just the NBA. It’s never been an equal road in any Finals

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;19507280]The compilation on IG of Tatum trying to create an iconic moment postgame is hilarious. What a fake.[/QUOTE]

It's an homage. He's literally just so happy to be part of the champions club and to be alongside the players he grew up watching. Nothing more ,nothing less. Him lifting Deuce in the air and the picture that followed with all the confetti is actually iconic. The NBA fanbase is an insufferable group of haters.

[QUOTE=MJGOAT23;19507382]It's an homage.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Recreating other people’s celebrations/speeches? Super lame. Dude is as phony as they come. Wannabe Kobe.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;19507392]Exactly. Recreating other people’s celebrations/speeches? Super lame. Dude is as phony as they come. Wannabe Kobe.[/QUOTE]

where's the Kobe hate and slander for being a wannabe Mike? Kobe's mannerisms, the stare downs, his interview cadence, the fist pump and surely his fadeaway are pure larceny. They all do it. They grew up watching them, studying them, mimicking them. It's part of the NBA.

[QUOTE=MJGOAT23;19507435]where's the Kobe hate and slander for being a wannabe Mike? Kobe's mannerisms, the stare downs, his interview cadence, the fist pump and surely his fadeaway are pure larceny. They all do it. They grew up watching them, studying them, mimicking them. It's part of the NBA.[/QUOTE]

His five rings help to keep the haters at a distance.

[QUOTE=MJGOAT23;19507435]where's the Kobe hate and slander for being a wannabe Mike? Kobe's mannerisms, the stare downs, his interview cadence, the fist pump and surely his fadeaway are pure larceny. They all do it. They grew up watching them, studying them, mimicking them. It's part of the NBA.[/QUOTE]
They don’t all do it. Watch the video and have a good laugh at Tatum the cornball.

[QUOTE=Guitarpatch;19507360]This Celtics team is more of a culmination and payoff of their past runs. It’s been a very good team that’s contended for years now. They had a gauntlet run in 22 going through the Nets, Bucks, and Miami. All it did was left them banged up going against a veteran championship tested team. They got over the hump and beat the teams they were supposed in this run. Were other teams injured? Sure. The Celtics were also missing their starting center who provided an unstoppable wrinkle into their offense and protected the rim (yet no one wants to acknowledge that hurdle)

As far as competition relative to other eras? Let’s not pretend that the Lakers had a tough road to go through during the 80’s. They played whatever was left from the bloodbath out of the East and won a few titles because of that. That’s just the NBA. It’s never been an equal road in any Finals[/QUOTE]

cant disagree with the 80's lakers having a weak path,i was more speaking if this celtics team was in the east,i honestly cant think of 1 year from 80-the bulls run that they win the east.im not saying they are a bad team they are a very good team,just not on the level of boston 80-86 or pistons 87-90 bulls 91-up.not to mention the hawks,76'ers,bucks,teams of the 80's.

[QUOTE=boxbuster7;19505553]you always have an excuse for everything bro...tatum had a good series but brown deserves mvp. not complicated[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=nbahobbyaddict;19505639]Agree. And it wasn't close.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=yiguiri2002;19505976]Finals stats:

JT: 22.2 PPG, 7.8 RBS, 7.2 AST, 1.6 STOCKS, 16.4 GmSc, -2 RTG, +6, 29.7% USG
JB: 20.8 PPG, 5.4 RBS, 5.0 AST, 2.4 STOCKS, 14.9 GmSc, -1 RTG, +14, 27.4% USG

Everyone agrees that Tatum didn't play that well in the Finals but his overall numbers are better or on par with Brown's. It's clear who the best player on the team is.[/QUOTE]

Tatum's Game Score for the Finals is around 16, Brown around 15.

Luka had the highest Game Score, around 19. He was the best player on the floor.

[QUOTE=rms13;19506084]Joker might be better then Tatum/Brown but Tatum and Brown are both better then Murray and I'll take Tatum/Brown combo over Jokic/Murray. Hopefully we get to see them in the finals next year. Lebron/AD won one title in the covid season. There is no way I beliieve that AD would have made it to the play offs if it was an actual full season. In actual full seasons they've barely been a play in team[/QUOTE]

Looks like the duo of Luka/Kyrie was maybe the best until Kyrie was contained well in the Finals. Much like how Murray was contained well by the Wolves.

I don't know which of the DAL or DEN duo I'd take overall. Neither of those duos were surrounded by much depth.

Boston had the most depth of any, and it's why we have this Tatum-Brown debate going. (As someone said, they complement each other well, Tatum does better in the metrics over a season, and Brown rises to the playoffs better, apparently.)

[QUOTE=nbahobbyaddict;19507275]Hyperbole? Nah. JB was the very heavy betting favorite to win Finals MVP going into Game 5. Tatum padding his stats in the Game 5 blowout wasn't enough to reverse the obvious and inevitable.[/QUOTE]

Wait, Tatum was "padding his stats" in a Finals game, after getting a 20-point lead? lol

[QUOTE=nbahobbyaddict;19507284][url]https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8XQGq7RZGi/?igsh=dnhlNzd3OTE1dXlz[/url]

[url]https://www.complex.com/sports/a/markelibert/jayson-tatum-clowned-championship-celebrations[/url][/QUOTE]

So Tatum is like a derivative of other greats :D

[QUOTE=Gary;19507303]Im a life long Celtics Fan,For whats its worth i saw the last few years of the Russell era,and everything since.1). This is not a historic team,in a 7 game series i would take any of the previous 17 winners.2).JT and JB are a good duo,but the reason they won was 2-9 thats what sets the team apart from everyone else.The current NBA is a bit weaker than normal.If this years Celtics played in 1980-1996 they dont get to the east final let alone win a title.

Hobby love is not the be all to end all of talent,See Moses Malone as an example.The hobby is a popularity contest for the most part.

Feel free to disagree,always willing to listen.[/QUOTE]

I'd say that given the differences in eras, it's quite hard to put together a team today as solid as this year's Boston team.

They finish with a 1752 [URL="https://neilpaine.substack.com/p/2023-24-nba-elo-ratings"]Elo[/URL], which I believe is 18th best [URL="https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/complete-history-of-the-nba"]all-time[/URL].

[QUOTE=MJGOAT23;19507382]It's an homage. He's literally just so happy to be part of the champions club and to be alongside the players he grew up watching. Nothing more ,nothing less. Him lifting Deuce in the air and the picture that followed with all the confetti is actually iconic. The NBA fanbase is an insufferable group of haters.[/QUOTE]

Some of the fanbase is. But he's boring and derivative :p

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;19507280]The compilation on IG of Tatum trying to create an iconic moment postgame is hilarious. What a fake.[/QUOTE]

Dads are in some sense fake and that's his primary role in life.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;19507280]The compilation on IG of Tatum trying to create an iconic moment postgame is hilarious. What a fake.[/QUOTE]

Cmon let a guy enjoy and celebrate, why so negative..

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;19507280]The compilation on IG of Tatum trying to create an iconic moment postgame is hilarious. What a fake.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Torro;19507945]Cmon let a guy enjoy and celebrate, why so negative..[/QUOTE]

welcome to the Basketball forum; Khal is known for being intensely negative and also for smearing other members with zero accountability or contrition

other than that, he's a fine addition to the group :cry:

[QUOTE=GOATcards;19507607]So Tatum is like a derivative of other greats :D
[/QUOTE]

Um sure. But seriously, it's like he Googled "what do famous people say after winning?" and then just repeated everything he could remember. But the craziest thing is he obviously rehearsed those lines. Comedy gold.

[QUOTE=nbahobbyaddict;19507989]Um sure. But seriously, it's like he Googled "what do famous people say after winning?" and then just repeated everything he could remember. But the craziest thing is he obviously rehearsed those lines. Comedy gold.[/QUOTE]

I like the guy and wish I could defend him. :doh:

[QUOTE=mc1;19508042]I like the guy and wish I could defend him. :doh:[/QUOTE]

Kanye one is pretty cool IMO, it fits great for Celtics as there are so many haters. I’m sure Tatum is happy to make haters more angry with this kind of stuff :)!:)!

Yeah I don't get the Tatum hate at all. They just ran right through the whole NBA and all the hobby darlings like they were paper.

For one season only, I'd take Lebron/AD duo over Tatum/Brown, but that's it. T/B are the kings of the league now.

[QUOTE=Torro;19507945]Cmon let a guy enjoy and celebrate, why so negative..[/QUOTE]
Did I make the compilation?

[QUOTE=jacksonjj;19509099]Yeah I don't get the Tatum hate at all. They just ran right through the whole NBA [I]and all the hobby darlings[/I] like they were paper.[/QUOTE]

The hobby darlings are where all the money is bricked into. Maybe that explains the hobby hate.

Has anyone’s Celtics cards been flying off the shelves?

Name one high profile rookie in Boston since Tatum. Maybe that explains something. Hobby is so geared toward prospecting.

(Irony is, Celtics have done a great job drafting in the years since.)

Most people don't want to collect someone whose legacy was a really good player on a really good team. They want to collect legendary players where people sit around a campfire 20 years from now and a kid goes "how good was so and so?" and grandpa goes "ho ho, lemme tell ya a story about that mf'er..."

People gravitate towards the "he changed the game"/"nobody could stop him for over a decade"/"defined an era" guys, like it or not. They aren't usually out there saying "damn this guy could have a Tmac/Melo/Russ-esque hobby following in 20 years." Many of the folks involved right now are just trying to catch the next rocket to outer Space ala MJ/Lebron/Steph/Kobe.

If you don't fall into that realm you gotta have something distinct going for you. I do think if Tatum had Edwards' personality people would be creaming themselves more.

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Lmao