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NeedChapmans 08-17-2018 06:43 PM

1-23, BB, 9K

66_Fiat 08-17-2018 07:08 PM

[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;13829939]1-23, BB, 9K[/QUOTE]

Outside of that, 10 game hitting streak batting over .400 :)!

Brewers3 08-17-2018 07:12 PM

[QUOTE=66_Fiat;13829998]Outside of that, 10 game hitting streak batting over .400 :)![/QUOTE]

Nah let’s just look at the first bat of each game because that’s the only thing that matters.

66_Fiat 08-17-2018 07:14 PM

[QUOTE=Brewers3;13830009]Nah let’s just look at the first bat of each game because that’s the only thing that matters.[/QUOTE]

Reverse psychology on NC's part to get moar Betts!

Brewers3 08-17-2018 07:15 PM

[QUOTE=66_Fiat;13830019]Reverse psychology on NC's part to get moar Betts![/QUOTE]

We should've caught on earlier! Bid em up!!!

NeedChapmans 08-17-2018 07:18 PM

[QUOTE=66_Fiat;13829998]Outside of that, 10 game hitting streak batting over .400 :)![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Brewers3;13830009]Nah let’s just look at the first bat of each game because that’s the only thing that matters.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=66_Fiat;13830019]Reverse psychology on NC's part to get moar Betts![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Brewers3;13830021]We should've caught on earlier! Bid em up!!![/QUOTE]

This made me laugh.

66_Fiat 08-17-2018 08:00 PM

[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;13830024]This made me laugh.[/QUOTE]

I can see into your card collecting soul, LoL

NeedChapmans 08-18-2018 06:27 PM

[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;13829939]1-23, BB, 9K[/QUOTE]

1-24, BB, 10K

moose84 08-19-2018 12:24 PM

Scored 100 runs this season in 103 games

Fastest Red Sox to do that since Ted Williams in '49 (102 games)

CardBoard4Life 08-19-2018 01:20 PM

Look at those numbers, he's like a cross between Jose Canseco and Rod Carew.

NeedChapmans 08-20-2018 06:19 PM

1-26, BB, 11K.

Mookie has become an automatic out leading off for a month.

broncomanning18 08-20-2018 06:34 PM

[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;13837464]1-26, BB, 11K.

Mookie has become an automatic out leading off for a month.[/QUOTE]

I am confused, dont you love mookie betts, and dont you have a ton invested into him. I mean I respect the facts, but seems like you have a reverse agenda :) Are you trying to get me to drop prices on my mookies ?

NeedChapmans 08-20-2018 06:37 PM

[QUOTE=broncomanning18;13837508]I am confused, dont you love mookie betts, and dont you have a ton invested into him. I mean I respect the facts, but seems like you have a reverse agenda :) Are you trying to get me to drop prices on my mookies ?[/QUOTE]

I'm fairly certain that in how ever many thousands of posts I have, I've never once written one with a price agenda. Prices don't move because of BO; I'll fight anyone to the death about that.

Simply stating that Mookie has cost himself the MVP because he's slumping; hard. His leadoff AB's have been really awful for a while now; he's been unprepared to start the game; flailing at a lot of bad pitches. In more than half of those AB's, he's down 0-2 in the count simply by watching 2 strikes.

Funked.

cnewby 08-20-2018 06:46 PM

[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;13837464]1-26, BB, 11K.

Mookie has become an automatic out leading off for a month.[/QUOTE]

How many open frames is that?

broncomanning18 08-20-2018 07:47 PM

[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;13837519]I'm fairly certain that in how ever many thousands of posts I have, I've never once written one with a price agenda. Prices don't move because of BO; I'll fight anyone to the death about that.

Simply stating that Mookie has cost himself the MVP because he's slumping; hard. His leadoff AB's have been really awful for a while now; he's been unprepared to start the game; flailing at a lot of bad pitches. In more than half of those AB's, he's down 0-2 in the count simply by watching 2 strikes.

Funked.[/QUOTE]

So you like JD then, or do you like Jose ?

NeedChapmans 08-20-2018 07:52 PM

[QUOTE=broncomanning18;13837778]So you like JD then, or do you like Jose ?[/QUOTE]

JD had zero chance from day one.

All Jose right now.

moosetequila 08-20-2018 08:27 PM

[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;13837804][B]JD had zero chance from day one.
[/B]
All Jose right now.[/QUOTE]

Oh noessss… gonna make Stifle cry on that one!

cnewby 08-20-2018 08:32 PM

[QUOTE=moosetequila;13837924]Oh noessss… gonna make Stifle type a 200pg novel on that one![/QUOTE]

FIFY. :)!

moosetequila 08-20-2018 08:38 PM

[QUOTE=cnewby;13837945]FIFY. :)![/QUOTE]

HAHAHAHA:)!

speedyjg13 08-21-2018 06:11 AM

[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;13837464]1-26, BB, 11K.

Mookie has become an automatic out leading off for a month.[/QUOTE]

I do the same thing in the Trout thread... when hes slumping, I put it out and people PM me asking what my agenda is lol. I collect Trout but if hes slumping, then it needs to be said. When I saw your posts reference Mookie, it kinda reminded me of me on the Trout thread. We cant only be posting the positive, the negative also.

I don't follow the Sox, but had I not gone into this thread, I wouldn't have known Mookie is in a slumping phase right now.

dbpsooner 08-21-2018 08:08 AM

[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;13837464]1-26, BB, 11K.

Mookie has become an automatic out leading off for a month.[/QUOTE]

What exactly is the significance of this stat? His slash line over the last 30 games is .311/.391/.541. The Sox are 22-8 in that period. Is the first at bat somehow more important than all the other at bats in a game? It would not appear to be. Maybe he is seeing more pitches in the first at bat on purpose.
I don't know but it I would be curious what significance you think it has? Just seems like a silly stat to keep track of to me. If this is a slump, people must really have huge expectations for this guy. Do we know what the stats are for his 2nd ab, or 3rd or 4th? Thanks, I would be curious your thoughts on the significance. I assume because you are keeping track you must think there is some significance?

imbluestreak23 08-21-2018 08:13 AM

[QUOTE=dbpsooner;13838746]What exactly is the significance of this stat? His slash line over the last 30 games is .311/.391/.541. The Sox are 22-8 in that period. Is the first at bat somehow more important than all the other at bats in a game? It would not appear to be. Maybe he is seeing more pitches in the first at bat on purpose.
I don't know but it I would be curious what significance you think it has? Just seems like a silly stat to keep track of to me. If this is a slump, people must really have huge expectations for this guy. Do we know what the stats are for his 2nd ab, or 3rd or 4th? Thanks, I would be curious your thoughts on the significance. I assume because you are keeping track you must think there is some significance?[/QUOTE]

Lead off at bat is the only important at bat of the game. None of the others matter.

NeedChapmans 08-21-2018 09:23 AM

[QUOTE=dbpsooner;13838746]What exactly is the significance of this stat? His slash line over the last 30 games is .311/.391/.541. The Sox are 22-8 in that period. Is the first at bat somehow more important than all the other at bats in a game? It would not appear to be. Maybe he is seeing more pitches in the first at bat on purpose.

I don't know but it I would be curious what significance you think it has? Just seems like a silly stat to keep track of to me. If this is a slump, people must really have huge expectations for this guy. Do we know what the stats are for his 2nd ab, or 3rd or 4th? Thanks, I would be curious your thoughts on the significance. I assume because you are keeping track you must think there is some significance?[/QUOTE]

Mookie has been a pretty strong player in the league for four years now; WAR of 30+ across those four years ... dude has been great.

But, do you know how he's done as a lead-off hitter? The splits are oddly dramatic. It's so strange really, for whatever reason when Mookie is in the lead-off spot; where he's been most of his career, the dude just comes out and absolutely sucks; even with a stellar 2016. This is the petition to remove him from the #1 spot because he's clearly not the guy you want starting the game.

Beyond his terrible #'s for the last month from this position, here are the splits for Mookie Betts in his career; when leading off a game.

2018 - (102 games at LO) . 266 BA / .324 OBP
2017 - (81 games at LO) - .203 BA / .272 OBP
2016 - (109 games at LO) - .354 BA / .413 OBP
2015 - (117 games at LO) - .200 BA / .248 OBP

So in 2016, during his almost MVP season; Mookie had a sparkling BA and OBP from that first AB of the game. But the other three years, he's actually been the WORST lead-off hitter in baseball. Look at those BA's and look at those OBP's compared to his season ending line.

When you consider the individual AB; I agree that it's hard to consider significance, but when you look at the trend, I think Mookie needs to go from the #1 spot. He's never up with runners on base because he always follows Holt / Leon / JBJ and he's clearly not the guy you want leading off a game. He must approach the AB different at the start then he does at other times because when you meld the averages above, you come out with Mookie Betts; career leadoff AB hitter - [B].253 AVG / .314 OBP[/B]. That sucks.

dbpsooner 08-21-2018 10:26 AM

[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;13838862]Mookie has been a pretty strong player in the league for four years now; WAR of 30+ across those four years ... dude has been great.

But, do you know how he's done as a lead-off hitter? The splits are oddly dramatic. It's so strange really, for whatever reason when Mookie is in the lead-off spot; where he's been most of his career, the dude just comes out and absolutely sucks; even with a stellar 2016. This is the petition to remove him from the #1 spot because he's clearly not the guy you want starting the game.

Beyond his terrible #'s for the last month from this position, here are the splits for Mookie Betts in his career; when leading off a game.

2018 - (102 games at LO) . 266 BA / .324 OBP
2017 - (81 games at LO) - .203 BA / .272 OBP
2016 - (109 games at LO) - .354 BA / .413 OBP
2015 - (117 games at LO) - .200 BA / .248 OBP

So in 2016, during his almost MVP season; Mookie had a sparkling BA and OBP from that first AB of the game. But the other three years, he's actually been the WORST lead-off hitter in baseball. Look at those BA's and look at those OBP's compared to his season ending line.

When you consider the individual AB; I agree that it's hard to consider significance, but when you look at the trend, I think Mookie needs to go from the #1 spot. He's never up with runners on base because he always follows Holt / Leon / JBJ and he's clearly not the guy you want leading off a game. He must approach the AB different at the start then he does at other times because when you meld the averages above, you come out with Mookie Betts; career leadoff AB hitter - [B].253 AVG / .314 OBP[/B]. That sucks.[/QUOTE]

Are these his stats as a lead off hitter or simply stats from his first at bat in the game as a lead off hitter? Who cares how he does in his first AB of the game?

moosetequila 08-21-2018 10:43 AM

[QUOTE=NeedChapmans;13838862]Mookie has been a pretty strong player in the league for four years now; WAR of 30+ across those four years ... dude has been great.

But, do you know how he's done as a lead-off hitter? The splits are oddly dramatic. It's so strange really, for whatever reason when Mookie is in the lead-off spot; where he's been most of his career, the dude just comes out and absolutely sucks; even with a stellar 2016. This is the petition to remove him from the #1 spot because he's clearly not the guy you want starting the game.

Beyond his terrible #'s for the last month from this position, here are the splits for Mookie Betts in his career; when leading off a game.

2018 - (102 games at LO) . 266 BA / .324 OBP
2017 - (81 games at LO) - .203 BA / .272 OBP
2016 - (109 games at LO) - .354 BA / .413 OBP
2015 - (117 games at LO) - .200 BA / .248 OBP

So in 2016, during his almost MVP season; Mookie had a sparkling BA and OBP from that first AB of the game. But the other three years, he's actually been the WORST lead-off hitter in baseball. Look at those BA's and look at those OBP's compared to his season ending line.

When you consider the individual AB; I agree that it's hard to consider significance, but when you look at the trend, I think Mookie needs to go from the #1 spot. He's never up with runners on base because he always follows Holt / Leon / JBJ and he's clearly not the guy you want leading off a game. He must approach the AB different at the start then he does at other times because when you meld the averages above, you come out with Mookie Betts; career leadoff AB hitter - [B].253 AVG / .314 OBP[/B]. That sucks.[/QUOTE]

Whoa... thought I stumbled into the Stifle JD love-fest page. Wall of words :p


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