[QUOTE=tjforce;11708333]Ball hog who is 2nd in the league in assists.

Again, don't let facts get in the way of you opinion[/QUOTE]

The guy basically only passes if he thinks he can get an assist? Shocker! (no, him being a stat stuffer is the least surprising thing)

He DOMINATES the ball, why do you think Durant left exactly?

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;11708334]I'm curious who you think should be handling the ball instead of Westbrook? Have you actually seen this team? They missed at least 10 layups tonight.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying he shouldn't handle the ball, I'm saying it might make the team a bit better if he passed the ball a little more than just to stuff his stat line.

[QUOTE=JustinVerlander07;11709360]The guy basically only passes if he thinks he can get an assist? Shocker! (no, him being a stat stuffer is the least surprising thing)

He DOMINATES the ball, why do you think Durant left exactly?



I'm not saying he shouldn't handle the ball, I'm saying it might make the team a bit better if he passed the ball a little more than just to stuff his stat line.[/QUOTE]

Except that they're 10-5 (2/3 of their wins) when he gets 10 assists or more. But as tjforce said, please don't let facts get in the way of your opinion.

[QUOTE=JustinVerlander07;11709360]The guy basically only passes if he thinks he can get an assist? Shocker! (no, him being a stat stuffer is the least surprising thing)

He DOMINATES the ball, why do you think Durant left exactly?


I'm not saying he shouldn't handle the ball, I'm saying it might make the team a bit better if he passed the ball a little more than just to stuff his stat line.[/QUOTE]

I blame the coaching staff as much as anyone. They seem to be allowing him to do whatever he wants with the ball. Sure the results have been good so far but the focus seems more on him staying happy rather than the team. People can say he has nobody around him but it's hard to tell when they're just standing around watching to see if/when he's going to pass the ball.

His numbers are awesome but that will come when your usage rate is #1. He gets his 10 assists but the team as a whole passes the least in all of the NBA.

We witnessed it here with Monta. Team sucked but he was gettiing great numbers. Fools gold

Obviously he is carrying the team but the OKC coaching staff has to realize or believe in the back of their mind that this is not sustainable and should devise a plan to make things a bit more team focused.

[QUOTE=elee712;11709482]I blame the coaching staff as much as anyone. They seem to be allowing him to do whatever he wants with the ball. Sure the results have been good so far but the focus seems more on him staying happy rather than the team. People can say he has nobody around him but it's hard to tell when they're just standing around watching to see if/when he's going to pass the ball.

His numbers are awesome but that will come when your usage rate is #1. He gets his 10 assists but the team as a whole passes the least in all of the NBA.

We witnessed it here with Monta. Team sucked but he was gettiing great numbers. Fools gold

Obviously he is carrying the team but the OKC coaching staff has to realize or believe in the back of their mind that this is not sustainable and should devise a plan to make things a bit more team focused.[/QUOTE]

OKC is #15 in the league in APG, where are you getting your info from?

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;11709322]Not a big difference, but that's actually 15-44.

You do realize everyone, including WB know he's cold from the floor right now? This is not news to anyone. To be fair, it's pretty hard to get any good looks when you're being double teamed on almost every play.

But let's focus on that instead of the historic run he's making, while leading a garbage team to 1st place in their division in the high-caliber Western Conferece.[/QUOTE]

I'd really hope he leads his team to at least a 5 spot in the playoffs. The team isn't complete trash either man. You've got a very reliable big man crew and a SG (who has been doubted as a very good player in this thread) who supposedly can ball. This team needs to be gutted IMO, but Russ won't let that happen. Too bad they'll be in mediocrity(first round out), but I guess that's what people wanted Russ to do. It's just so sad to think they could have a chip in OKC either this season or the previous season (with Durant and ibaka).

[QUOTE=seabass97166;11709233]Sure, I will let you here what I have to say...

Hear are the stats of the last 2 games on ESPN that I did in fact watch on Friday and Tuesday respectively...
8-25 (0-7 from 3) and 7-19 (2-5 from 3)

so that's 15-46 and 2-12. 32% and 16%

The guy can't shoot!!! Westbrick

He was a brick when he had good players around him. Great player, but he can't shoot bruh[/QUOTE]

I love how your wording allows you completely ignore the game in between those two, where WB shot 14-26, had a 37/12/6 stat line, and led a great comeback victory against the Celtics.

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;11709428]Except that they're 10-5 (2/3 of their wins) when he gets 10 assists or more. But as tjforce said, please don't let facts get in the way of your opinion.[/QUOTE]

Don't let your fandom get in the way of reality!

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;11709559]I love how your wording allows you completely ignore the game in between those two, where WB shot 14-26, had a 37/12/6 stat line, and led a great comeback victory against the Celtics.[/QUOTE]

"On ESPN"

Last 5 games... and yes some of this could certainly use some work (such as his 3P shooting)... but still

43%, 27% (3P), 73% (FT), 28.8/11.6/9.2

[QUOTE=JustinVerlander07;11709600]Don't let your fandom get in the way of reality![/QUOTE]

I don't.

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;11709559]I love how your wording allows you completely ignore the game in between those two, where WB shot 14-26, had a 37/12/6 stat line, and led a great comeback victory against the Celtics.[/QUOTE]

Was it on ESPN? I didn't see it. I saw the Friday night game where he bricked a 3 at the buzzer (down by 2) and lost to Houston who was like 1-10 in the 4th and still winning somehow..

Then last night where they got blown out by 20

I get you love Russ...he is in fact a hell of a player obviously, tenacious and old school.
Went to high school literally less than 1 mile from my house, and then to UCLA.

But the dude can't shoot...

[QUOTE=seabass97166;11709767]Was it on ESPN? I didn't see it. I saw the Friday night game where he bricked a 3 at the buzzer (down by 2) and lost to Houston who was like 1-10 in the 4th and still winning somehow..

Then last night where they got blown out by 20

I get you love Russ...he is in fact a hell of a player obviously, tenacious and old school.
Went to high school literally less than 1 mile from my house, and then to UCLA.

But the dude can't shoot...[/QUOTE]

I agree his shooting is bad. Just merely pointing out that it's a bit loaded to bring up probably two of his worst performances in the last month as proof of anything, just because those were the only 2 you happened to watch.

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;11709503]OKC is #15 in the league in APG, where are you getting your info from?[/QUOTE]

[url=http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/team/passing/?sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1]NBA.com/Stats[/url]

Passes per game more or less gives you an idea how much the ball is moving around. Westbrook having the highest usage combined with the team passing the least tells me that WB has the ball most of time and when he passes, the recipient more or less is just shooting the ball whether or not another player might be even more wide open.

[QUOTE=elee712;11709995][url=http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/team/passing/?sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1]NBA.com/Stats[/url]

Passes per game more or less gives you an idea how much the ball is moving around. Westbrook having the highest usage combined with the team passing the least tells me that WB has the ball most of time and when he passes, the recipient more or less is just shooting the ball whether or not another player might be even more wide open.[/QUOTE]

Gotcha. Not sure how valid of an argument for team success that is when you consider that the two worst teams in the league are in the top 4 of passes made. Also 3 of the last 5 in passes made are division leaders, with another of the last 5 being Houston at 18-7. So less passes=good?

I have no problem with his performance yesterday - when you lose one of your few competent supporting cast it's easy for the opposition to double down on you and force a bad game.

[QUOTE=elee712;11709995][url=http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/team/passing/?sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1]NBA.com/Stats[/url]

Passes per game more or less gives you an idea how much the ball is moving around. Westbrook having the highest usage combined with the team passing the least tells me that WB has the ball most of time and when he passes, the recipient more or less is just shooting the ball whether or not another player might be even more wide open.[/QUOTE]

The stats support your comment.

OKC is #4 in AST-to-pass ratio (8.4%). GS (ranks #1) is 10.0%.

OKC ranks bottom 3 in secondary assist. GS ranks #1.

The OKC recipients just don't pass. It could be that they are wide open (i.e. good thing). Or it could be because the shot clock is down to 2 seconds and they have no choice but to shoot (i.e. bad thing).

[QUOTE=tennelson55;11709527]I'd really hope he leads his team to at least a 5 spot in the playoffs. The team isn't complete trash either man. You've got a very reliable big man crew and a SG (who has been doubted as a very good player in this thread) who supposedly can ball. This team needs to be gutted IMO, but Russ won't let that happen. Too bad they'll be in mediocrity(first round out), but I guess that's what people wanted Russ to do. It's just so sad to think they could have a chip in OKC either this season or the previous season (with Durant and ibaka).[/QUOTE]

The team is terrible besides like 2 guys are you serious man come on if yo watch them ply you could tell please.

[QUOTE=elee712;11709995][url=http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/team/passing/?sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1]NBA.com/Stats[/url]

Passes per game more or less gives you an idea how much the ball is moving around. Westbrook having the highest usage combined with the team passing the least tells me that WB has the ball most of time and when he passes, the recipient more or less is just shooting the ball whether or not another player might be even more wide open.[/QUOTE]

What kind of stats are you bring up who cares about the bull crap statistic. The guy gets 11 assist passing to bums besides like 2 guys. What more do you want the guy to do for you to complain about how he is playing you sound foolish I'm sorry and so does anyone else who has a problem with how he is playing. But like i said before ill listen to espn and nab tv analysts who say the same thing i do before i listen to you supposed blowout geniuses. Please give me a break the things i heard said in this thread are some of the stupidest things i ever heard on this forum and makes me question weather some of you really know basketball. It just crazy some of the crap I'm hearing. The guy is not f#%$$ing superman bro but he is playing as close as you can to him with a bad team.

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;11710040]Gotcha. Not sure how valid of an argument for team success that is when you consider that the two worst teams in the league are in the top 4 of passes made. Also 3 of the last 5 in passes made are division leaders, with another of the last 5 being Houston at 18-7. So less passes=good?[/QUOTE]

He has no argument he just thinking of any bull crap possible to crap and hate on RUSS classic hater it so obvious. Most of what he is saying is not even making sense and others like me you and TJ have pointed it out.

[QUOTE=vinsanity15;11710228]He has no argument he just thinking of any bull crap possible to crap and hate on RUSS classic hater it so obvious. Most of what he is saying is not even making sense and others like me you and TJ have pointed it out.[/QUOTE]

It's funny people harp on guys who don't capitalize the first letter of the first word in their sentences but have nothing to say about you. I do want to know why you're so angry but it's torture trying to read your rants filled with run-on sentences, bad spelling and poor grammar.

Basketball is a team game. If guys are not touching the ball, they will lose interest and will end up just sitting around. You say he has nobody around him yet how do you really know? The ball doesn't move around nearly as much as it could. I mentioned that I don't blame WB as much as the coaching staff who may see this, or notice him having an off night but still allow him to keep chucking the ball and doing whatever he wants.

Have you ever played ball when there's guy on your team dominating the basketball? It doesn't matter if he's single-handedly winning the game for your team..you'll tend to jog instead of run, play less D and just watch. All player in the NBA were top stars wherever they played previously. I'm pretty sure they are all confident in their own abilities so I can't see his teammates completely happy about their roles.

[QUOTE=elee712;11710362]It's funny people harp on guys who don't capitalize the first letter of the first word in their sentences but have nothing to say about you. I do want to know why you're so angry but it's torture trying to read your rants filled with run-on sentences, bad spelling and poor grammar.

Basketball is a team game. If guys are not touching the ball, they will lose interest and will end up just sitting around. You say he has nobody around him yet how do you really know? The ball doesn't move around nearly as much as it could. I mentioned that I don't blame WB as much as the coaching staff who may see this, or notice him having an off night but still allow him to keep chucking the ball and doing whatever he wants.

Have you ever played ball when there's guy on your team dominating the basketball? It doesn't matter if he's single-handedly winning the game for your team..you'll tend to jog instead of run, play less D and just watch. All player in the NBA were top stars wherever they played previously. I'm pretty sure they are all confident in their own abilities so I can't see his teammates completely happy about their roles.[/QUOTE]

This is true to some extent. I've played plenty of pickup games where guys would get the ball to me on every possession because they wanted to win and stay on the court. I'd say you're more likely to hear about disgruntled players when the team starts losing because then guys start to wonder why they're not getting an opportunity to help the team win.

[QUOTE=elee712;11710362]It's funny people harp on guys who don't capitalize the first letter of the first word in their sentences but have nothing to say about you. I do want to know why you're so angry but it's torture trying to read your rants filled with run-on sentences, bad spelling and poor grammar.

Basketball is a team game. If guys are not touching the ball, they will lose interest and will end up just sitting around. You say he has nobody around him yet how do you really know? The ball doesn't move around nearly as much as it could. I mentioned that I don't blame WB as much as the coaching staff who may see this, or notice him having an off night but still allow him to keep chucking the ball and doing whatever he wants.

Have you ever played ball when there's guy on your team dominating the basketball? It doesn't matter if he's single-handedly winning the game for your team..you'll tend to jog instead of run, play less D and just watch. All player in the NBA were top stars wherever they played previously. I'm pretty sure they are all confident in their own abilities so I can't see his teammates completely happy about their roles.[/QUOTE]

Are you serious right now i can't take you serious no more. How do I know he has nobody are you really serious? The team sucks if you can't see that i don't know what to tell you, you might not know basketball then.

Also i want to know why you are such a HATER it so obvious and so bad.

You sound so foolish complaining about a guy who is averaging a triple double on a crappy team and they still have a winning record. I mean you sound really foolish saying that. But whatever that how you feel it wrong but it only how you feel. Clearly most people don't feel that way but whatever. Just no need to be such a hater and so negative in this thread. I don't understand why you hating so much. Has RUSS done something to you or something?? If so I'm really sorry HAHAHAHA.

[QUOTE=cp3fan;11710396]This is true to some extent. I've played plenty of pickup games where guys would get the ball to me on every possession because they wanted to win and stay on the court. I'd say you're more likely to hear about disgruntled players when the team starts losing because then guys start to wonder why they're not getting an opportunity to help the team win.[/QUOTE]

His teammates love Russ a guy averaging 11 assist can't be greedy and if he had some help he would average even more assist. Now AI he was greedy not gonna lie. But people still seem to have no problem with him. I don't care if AI was greedy cause they won but I'm just saying in general.

[QUOTE=vinsanity15;11710681]Are you serious right now i can't take you serious no more. How do I know he has nobody are you really serious? The team sucks if you can't see that i don't know what to tell you, you might not know basketball then.

Also i want to know why you are such a HATER it so obvious and so bad.

You sound so foolish complaining about a guy who is averaging a triple double on a crappy team and they still have a winning record. I mean you sound really foolish saying that. But whatever that how you feel it wrong but it only how you feel. Clearly most people don't feel that way but whatever. Just no need to be such a hater and so negative in this thread. I don't understand why you hating so much. Has RUSS done something to you or something?? If so I'm really sorry HAHAHAHA.[/QUOTE]

Anybody who doesn't share your biased opinions is considered a hater? OK then.

[QUOTE=elee712;11710817]Anybody who doesn't share your biased opinions is considered a hater? OK then.[/QUOTE]

No it just you blatantly are a HATER it not hard to miss nice try though. Everyone in here sees it so stop trying to be mr good guy. Im not the only one calling you out it it my man but whatever it cool you can have your agenda whatever it is.

[QUOTE=vinsanity15;11710973]No it just you blatantly are a HATER it not hard to miss nice try though. Everyone in here sees it so stop trying to be mr good guy. Im not the only one calling you out it it my man but whatever it cool you can have your agenda whatever it is.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for letting me have an opinion, thats mighty kind of you.

It would he also nice if you can pull one quote that I made blatantly hating on him so I can understand what hating means in your mind.