[QUOTE=finfangfan;19091676]I wonder if the thick cards are assembled differently? Is there a separate sheet for card backs and the FUA cards are 2 separate front and backs glued together? However, if that was the case you’d think there would be a number of mismatched front/back errors reported. What is more likely the case is this sheet is just a reprint basically on a blank backed sheet. At any rate, would still looked cool framed and when hung you wouldn’t see the back anyway.[/QUOTE]

Good point about it not mattering in a frame. As to how UD does the thick cards, might be something only UD knows. There was an error found in 2022 Masterpieces that suggests it might actually be two halves separately printed and combined for these thick cards (someone pulled a squirrel girl blank front, regular back.....someone else pulled a squirrel girl blank back, regular front. Each was half thickness).

When you look at the modern Masterpieces uncut sheets, they do have the backs. I am not 100% sure if they are thick or regular sheets, but from pics it looks like they might be regular sheets (can anyone confirm this?). 2 sided sheet though . Why UD couldnt do that same thing for these FUA sheets....who knows.

Anyone else get some random Marvel cards added to their ePack account today?

I got these added to mine:

Name Insert Name Item # Quantity
Hawkeye 2022 Marvel Fleer Ultra Avengers 3 x 3 5 OF 9 1
Iron Man 2022 Marvel Fleer Ultra Avengers 3 x 3 4 OF 9 1
Thor 2022 Marvel Fleer Ultra Avengers 3 x 3 3 OF 9 1
Spider-Man 2022 Marvel Fleer Ultra Avengers 3 x 3 1 OF 9 1
Iron Patriot 2022 Marvel Fleer Ultra Avengers 1st Appearances Green Foil Parallel FA-15 1

If you bought this set, those were the ones that were not available in physical form in the COMC inventory when the set went live for sale on ePack. So they're filling the "redemption" for the physical cards in your account. I got a couple as well.

[QUOTE=mjohnatgt;19092032]If you bought this set, those were the ones that were not available in physical form in the COMC inventory when the set went live for sale on ePack. So they're filling the "redemption" for the physical cards in your account. I got a couple as well.[/QUOTE]

Interesting. I don't remember seeing anything that said I had redemptions from my packs.

[QUOTE=bradical;19092412]Interesting. I don't remember seeing anything that said I had redemptions from my packs.[/QUOTE]
It was just an image that said "Card coming soon", and it wasn't able to be added to a shipment because it wasn't physical at the time.

Upper Deck has a Black Friday promotion for an uncut 9-card sheet from Fleer Ultra Avengers:

[url]https://upperdeckstore.com/holiday-promotions-23[/url]

[QUOTE][B]Free Fleer Ultra Promo Sheet with $75 Marvel Trading Card Spend[/B]

Spend $75 or more (before tax and shipping) on any Marvel trading cards and receive a FREE 2022 Fleer Ultra Avengers Trading Card 9-card Sheet. Simply add the applicable products to your shopping cart. The free item will be added to your order. This is a limited time offer. Must purchase products to qualify. While supplies last. Promotion may not be combined with any other offers. Offer valid ONLY in US and Canada.

[B]Free Fleer Ultra Promo Sheet + Upper Deck Cap + Upper Deck License Plate Frame with $149 Marvel Trading Card Spend[/B]

Spend $149 or more (before tax and shipping) on any Marvel trading cards and receive a FREE 2022 Fleer Ultra Avengers Trading Card 9-card Sheet, Upper Deck Snapback Promo Hat, and Upper Deck Black Plastic License Plate Frame. Simply add the applicable products to your shopping cart. The free items will be added to your order. This is a limited time offer. Must purchase products to qualify. While supplies last. Promotion may not be combined with any other offers. Offer valid ONLY in US and Canada.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BobCollects;19163646]Upper Deck has a Black Friday promotion for an uncut 9-card sheet from Fleer Ultra Avengers:

[url]https://upperdeckstore.com/holiday-promotions-23[/url][/QUOTE]

Might be a cool promotion if they had any Marvel worth buying on their site right now.

Interesting. It harkens back to the old 9-panel marvel sheets of the 90s. In typical UD fashion though, produced somewhat after the product release instead of leading up to it as a promo like the old days.

[QUOTE=BipolarBear;19163829]Might be a cool promotion if they had any Marvel worth buying on their site right now.[/QUOTE]

Right it’s all cheesy blasters except for the one lousy Ant-Man and Wasp hobby box.

[QUOTE=kakarot12;19087089]Another site has full cases for $2450 and with a certain premier discount cases are $2400. Down to $200 per box. They’re really tempting me to buy a case. I do wonder if these will eventually get to like $2000 for a 12 box case?[/QUOTE]

Cases are going for less than $2200 now and you can get individual boxes for $160 a piece. That might be a Black Friday special but I wouldn't be surprised if these continue trending downward.

I'll admit that even though this set is way overprinted, I have been nibbling boxes below $200. Not a good investment set, but fun to open.
I've also been nibbling at MCU sets as they nestle against their (contractually mandated?) minimum prices.

I'm expecting that Midnight Sons and Wolverine will follow the same pattern as FUA

1st half 2024 looks to be as chock full of releases as 2023 summer. Might be a fruitful Black Friday 2024, given I expect sales this past weekend were light. Speculators are drifting away. Warehouses are full of dead sealed product again.

Under 99 cases on Epack. It might take a few weeks, but this product is actually going to sell out on Epack at that price point. I am shocked!

[QUOTE=jjas311;19168866]Under 99 cases on Epack. It might take a few weeks, but this product is actually going to sell out on Epack at that price point. I am shocked![/QUOTE]

Will spark an exponential spurt of buying no doubt, and I have to imagine it'll be well within multiple weeks....perhaps even less than a week and it'll be sold out.

[QUOTE=DynaEtch;19168877]Will spark an exponential spurt of buying no doubt, and I have to imagine it'll be well within multiple weeks....perhaps even less than a week and it'll be sold out.[/QUOTE]

I'm betting it will be at 30ish cases in about 3 weeks, then FOMO will set in and it will be sold out a week after that. 4 weeks is my guess :D

[QUOTE=jjas311;19168866]Under 99 cases on Epack. It might take a few weeks, but this product is actually going to sell out on Epack at that price point. I am shocked![/QUOTE]

That’s nuts. And 99 cases is usually the FOMO level. People might be tapped out this time of year and/or waiting for MM to hit ePack tho. Thought there was *some* nice stuff in this set (and a few head scratchers like the ugly chess pieces) but price scared me off.

And I think that is exactly why they waited for MM. Clear this one out. Then we'll see Allure be the mid-tier.

Wow. I'm surprised this set would give FOMO to anyone at epack price. You can get a physical box shipped to your house for less than $200.

From 93 to 92 cases since yesterday. My 4 week sell out might be off, maybe it last closer to 8 weeks.

[QUOTE=jjas311;19169981]From 93 to 92 cases since yesterday. My 4 week sell out might be off, maybe it last closer to 8 weeks.[/QUOTE]

Its hard to say. I guess at this level it's still gonna be a mild and steady rate of purchase, but there is some point where it'll start accelerating pretty fast. I dont know what that number is...maybe 30 cases or so as mentioned. Either way it looks like this will be selling out before MM drops.

Are we sure when we see 92 cases left there’s actually only 92 cases worth left total? And that UD doesn’t have separate allocations for packs and boxes? For
Example, UD could conceivably have only 92 cases left but also hundreds of boxes they sell in a separate batch.

I guess a way to test the theory is if someone buys 6 boxes, or 72 individual packs and see if the case # goes down automatically.

In any case, I think my numbers for print run were way off, or epack allocation. If there are only indeed 92 cases worth of cards left total on epack, then I believe they only put, at max, 50% of total print run on epack. I’ve been tracking the numbers pretty consistently of inserts pulled and what’s available in the marketplace since day one and I just assumed it was 75% on epack and 25% physical. Right now based on my tracking, it means there was only 11-12k worth of boxes put on epack. I thought it was more 22k based on a 30k print run and 75-25 allocation but I’m thinking the allocation was more 50-50 for total print run of 22-24k. It would make sense since physical is sitting almost everywhere for this product. Unless of course physical was MOrE than 50% of the allocation. I’ll just say, that for me alone, I have over 300 cases of this (I’ve lost count at this point).

In either case, I’ve come to the conclusion that this set actually had a smaller print run than most anticipated (22-24k as opposed to 30k). Only 36 gold specs hit epack, and 20 black opals. UD skewed the biggest hits heavily to physical as there’s a number of high value 1:1’s that simply have not been pulled yet to anyone’s knowledge (ie cap black opal, thanks black opal, daredevil black opal, etc…).

[QUOTE=finfangfan;19168882]That’s nuts. And 99 cases is usually the FOMO level. People might be tapped out this time of year and/or waiting for MM to hit ePack tho. Thought there was *some* nice stuff in this set (and a few head scratchers like the ugly chess pieces) but price scared me off.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely despise the chess pieces.. Reminds me off the often miscut/horribly edged (and aptly named) "busts" die-cuts from 2017 Marvel Premier.

Seems some clown at Upper Deck loves thick die-cuts.

[QUOTE=Marvel Card;19170055]Are we sure when we see 92 cases left there’s actually only 92 cases worth left total? And that UD doesn’t have separate allocations for packs and boxes? For
Example, UD could conceivably have only 92 cases left but also hundreds of boxes they sell in a separate batch.

I guess a way to test the theory is if someone buys 6 boxes, or 72 individual packs and see if the case # goes down automatically.

In any case, I think my numbers for print run were way off, or epack allocation. If there are only indeed 92 cases worth of cards left total on epack, then I believe they only put, at max, 50% of total print run on epack. I’ve been tracking the numbers pretty consistently of inserts pulled and what’s available in the marketplace since day one and I just assumed it was 75% on epack and 25% physical. Right now based on my tracking, it means there was only 11-12k worth of boxes put on epack. I thought it was more 22k based on a 30k print run and 75-25 allocation but I’m thinking the allocation was more 50-50 for total print run of 22-24k. It would make sense since physical is sitting almost everywhere for this product. Unless of course physical was MOrE than 50% of the allocation. I’ll just say, that for me alone, I have over 300 cases of this (I’ve lost count at this point).

In either case, I’ve come to the conclusion that this set actually had a smaller print run than most anticipated (22-24k as opposed to 30k). Only 36 gold specs hit epack, and 20 black opals. UD skewed the biggest hits heavily to physical as there’s a number of high value 1:1’s that simply have not been pulled yet to anyone’s knowledge (ie cap black opal, thanks black opal, daredevil black opal, etc…).[/QUOTE]

I was told 10k to Epack and 30k physical, but obviously some physical is kept behind for replacements, QAQC and such.

[QUOTE=Marvel Card;19170055]Are we sure when we see 92 cases left there’s actually only 92 cases worth left total? And that UD doesn’t have separate allocations for packs and boxes? For
Example, UD could conceivably have only 92 cases left but also hundreds of boxes they sell in a separate batch.

I guess a way to test the theory is if someone buys 6 boxes, or 72 individual packs and see if the case # goes down automatically.

In any case, I think my numbers for print run were way off, or epack allocation. If there are only indeed 92 cases worth of cards left total on epack, then I believe they only put, at max, 50% of total print run on epack. I’ve been tracking the numbers pretty consistently of inserts pulled and what’s available in the marketplace since day one and I just assumed it was 75% on epack and 25% physical. Right now based on my tracking, it means there was only 11-12k worth of boxes put on epack. I thought it was more 22k based on a 30k print run and 75-25 allocation but I’m thinking the allocation was more 50-50 for total print run of 22-24k. It would make sense since physical is sitting almost everywhere for this product. Unless of course physical was MOrE than 50% of the allocation. I’ll just say, that for me alone, I have over 300 cases of this (I’ve lost count at this point).

In either case, I’ve come to the conclusion that this set actually had a smaller print run than most anticipated (22-24k as opposed to 30k). Only 36 gold specs hit epack, and 20 black opals. UD skewed the biggest hits heavily to physical as there’s a number of high value 1:1’s that simply have not been pulled yet to anyone’s knowledge (ie cap black opal, thanks black opal, daredevil black opal, etc…).[/QUOTE]

This was discussed in another thread, theories about how UD divides up the epack. Not sure if anyone knows, but you're right some of that could be tested.

Am I reading that right, 300 cases? Um wow...that's a helluva lot of product, reminds me of 2018 FUXM. All physical, or epack? Sitting on them or opened? What does 300 cases even look like, does that fill out a small room?

As for epack/physical divide and print run, I have not really looked into this set's print run like I did MM. I will say that I thought UD would go 75% at least on epack for MM, but some signs in the Red Spectrum thread regarding 1/1 hit proportions are leading me to think the split might actually be closer to 50/50 than I thought. It might even be 50/50. Like FUA, MM seems to have a never ending supply of physical on the big retailers as well. Without looking into numbers at all, FUA hobby print run at about 2.5x~3x MM print run sounds plausible (MM print run is around 13.5k boxes). If I very vaguely recall, 2017FUSM and 2018FUXM were in the 20k-35k box range. One difference though compared to MM is FUA has a ton of retail out there also that MM doesnt have, but that's a separate thing in some ways.

Re: chess pieces

The whole chess thing seems odd as a marvel insert, and while I dont mind the die-cut and fancy foiling, the art of the character is a little on the small side. Which is a bummer since this is like the only original art insert and they made it small.

[QUOTE=jjas311;19170101]I was told 10k to Epack and 30k physical, but obviously some physical is kept behind for replacements, QAQC and such.[/QUOTE]

That’s crazy they would load physical up so much. But also, I don’t think the print run on FUA is nearly 40k. For 1:1 black opals, 20 of 50 (40%) was on epack. For gold spec base, 36 of 90 were released on epack (40). It leads me to believe the actual print run on this set was roughly 27.5-30k then if the 10k epack number is correct. I thought the 1:1’s were skewed to poor percentages on epack but knowing epack allotment was smaller than anyone initially thought, myself included, it would make sense that epack is 40% of this set and physical is 60%.