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the27guy 06-09-2018 12:50 AM

[QUOTE=JMys55;13620923]Which ones have changed that would materially impact this series?

3 point line is likely further, but Bulls not keeping up with warriors in that category in either era.

Everyone loving the Bulls since they are coined as the best team ever, but warriors much deeper team and 3 point shoot a further massive advantage.

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Enjoy the victory.

The illegal defense rule.

Handchecking.

Traveling rules.

Amongst several others.

It’s literally an entirely different game than 20 years ago. Literally. Literally!!! The current warriors are amazing. Though they’re not as good as they’ve been the past couple of years. They’re not as deep. They’re tired. They were very fortunate that Chris Paul got hurt otherwise they were toast.

Good job to your team. They’re the champs. Feel awesome about that.

JMys55 06-09-2018 12:54 AM

[QUOTE=ninjacookies;13620935]The 3 pointer is only an advantage because systems and teams have adjusted to allow them in mass quantity.

Players from the 90's and early 2000's didn't chuck up 10+ 3's a game with regularity because it would result in being placed in the doghouse and being chewed out by the coach. Not like they weren't capable of making 3's in greater quantities. It's an entirely different landscape and shift in offensive mindset.

Just like the NFL and how modern day QB's have 40-50+ attempts per game, whereas the running game dominated previous generations.[/QUOTE]So you would agee that the Warriors would win, but you're saying only because the Bulls didn't have an option to evolve their game to shoot more 3s to compete in today's era?

The game has evolved to be more difficult for the 1996 Bulls to compete against, thus, advantage Warriors in both eras.

So why do people still vote Bulls? Having trouble understanding any good reasons here.

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exitmusicblue 06-09-2018 12:56 AM

You act as if voters are all being completely rational

: ))) Only thing we can do is win 4 more, tbh. Won’t be easy.

JMys55 06-09-2018 12:59 AM

[QUOTE=the27guy;13620941]Enjoy the victory.

The illegal defense rule.

Handchecking.

Traveling rules.

Amongst several others.

It’s literally an entirely different game than 20 years ago. Literally. Literally!!! The current warriors are amazing. Though they’re not as good as they’ve been the past couple of years. They’re not as deep. They’re tired. They were very fortunate that Chris Paul got hurt otherwise they were toast.

Good job to your team. They’re the champs. Feel awesome about that.[/QUOTE]I own 1 Stephen Curry card, no other Warriors. I own many Jordans. Love the Bulls more than the Warriors, actually dont really like them. I don't have any bias, just comparing data.

Also, no one says ever complains all these changes would make a difference when comparing teams in the last 30 years.

You never hear... "Well if they didn't add that handchecking rule, Bulls would dominate". That sounds ridiculous. The core of the game is still the same. The way it is played has changed.

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hofcollector2 06-09-2018 01:12 AM

This is an absolute joke of a thread, lol. MJ and company would wipe the floor with these boys.

clocsta2323 06-09-2018 01:12 AM

Cant compare teams from different eras, period. There is no right answer. If the Warriors played in the NBA that Jordan dominated in, they would be absolutely massacred. If the Bulls were time machined to the future and played in the current NBA against the Warriors, they might lose. Kareem would be scoring 80 PPG against this Warriors team.

exitmusicblue 06-09-2018 01:14 AM

It’s true under today’s rules, Dubs would win. And vice-versa.

But since 2k18 is the only battleground for such a game... 4 more rings will do the trick. Whew though...

ninjacookies 06-09-2018 01:25 AM

[QUOTE=JMys55;13620946]So you would agee that the Warriors would win, but you're saying only because the Bulls didn't have an option to evolve their game to shoot more 3s to compete in today's era?

The game has evolved to be more difficult for the 1996 Bulls to compete against, thus, advantage Warriors in both eras.

So why do people still vote Bulls? Having trouble understanding any good reasons here.

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Are you saying that if you set the game up, you'd put a cap on the number of 3's the bulls could shoot but not the Warriors?

I'm not following your logic. You are essentially implying that the same amount if not more good 3 point shooters didn't exist back then as they do now. It was simply a function of mass quantity being allowed and encouraged by coaching.

clocsta2323 06-09-2018 02:14 AM

[QUOTE=ninjacookies;13620988]Are you saying that if you set the game up, you'd put a cap on the number of 3's the bulls could shoot but not the Warriors?

I'm not following your logic. You are essentially implying that the same amount if not more good 3 point shooters didn't exist back then as they do now. It was simply a function of mass quantity being allowed and encouraged by coaching.[/QUOTE]

I think what is said is that the 96 Bulls didn't have the sharpshooters the Warriors have. That being said, they didn't construct their team to accommodate the current emphasis on the 3 point shot. If the NBA game in 96' had devalued defense and the interior game like it does today, I would wager the 96 Bulls would have adjusted accordingly. I would put Legler and Glen Rice in a 3 Point contest TODAY against any current NBA player.

thepinoymamba 06-09-2018 02:25 AM

Hell yeah.... Jordan will average 50 a game... with the No Hand checking Rule...

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Starman101 06-09-2018 04:42 AM

An unhealthy Rockets team went 7 games versus GS and win Game 7 of that series if cp3 was healthy

A team with strong rebounding, good mid range & inside scoring, and team that can control the pace of the game (not just chuck low percentage 3s off GS turnovers) could very easily beat Golden State

And the 96 Bulls had all of that

I also think the Bulls would exploit GSs careless turnovers and poor defense

Imagine switching up MJ iso'd on Curry.....Hahahaha that would be an embarassment.

Pippen on Durant. Rodman on Green. Harper on Klay.

MJ and Pippen would murder GSs defense in the post and mid range, giving them no rhythm to get GSs 3 point barrage working. Youd see Curry chucking airball 3s and GS getting completely out of sink....

I think the 96 Bulls are at least 1 of 8 squads that would beat this GS team

GS is a good team but against great teams they arent nothing special imo

The Cavs were not a great team so of course GS looks unbeatable against them. And this years Rockets are only a player away from becoming one imo

Hess687 06-09-2018 06:39 AM

[QUOTE=Starman101;13621125]An unhealthy Rockets team went 7 games versus GS and win Game 7 of that series if cp3 was healthy

A team with strong rebounding, good mid range & inside scoring, and team that can control the pace of the game (not just chuck low percentage 3s off GS turnovers) could very easily beat Golden State

And the 96 Bulls had all of that

I also think the Bulls would exploit GSs careless turnovers and poor defense

Imagine switching up MJ iso'd on Curry.....Hahahaha that would be an embarassment.

Pippen on Durant. Rodman on Green. Harper on Klay.

MJ and Pippen would murder GSs defense in the post and mid range, giving them no rhythm to get GSs 3 point barrage working. [B]Youd see Curry chucking airball 3s and GS getting completely out of sink....[/B]

I think the 96 Bulls are at least 1 of 8 squads that would beat this GS team

GS is a good team but against great teams they arent nothing special imo

The Cavs were not a great team so of course GS looks unbeatable against them. And this years Rockets are only a player away from becoming one imo[/QUOTE]

Are we talking about a bathroom sink or kitchen? Big difference.

BlueXtreme 06-09-2018 07:43 AM

This poll shows the average age of blowout.. lol

6celtics33 06-09-2018 07:55 AM

[QUOTE=BlueXtreme;13621238]This poll shows the average age of blowout.. lol[/QUOTE]

Let it out man

Jordan wins again. I know it’s hard for you.

BlueXtreme 06-09-2018 08:04 AM

[QUOTE=6celtics33;13621253]Let it out man

Jordan wins again. I know it’s hard for you.[/QUOTE]

Uh.. what? Did I say who I thought would win? Nope. But since you like to argue. Warriors would win. Ready.. Go! Because I know you have nothing else better to do lol

COMCMax 06-09-2018 08:09 AM

These what if threads always end the same lol

edisto 06-09-2018 08:20 AM

Bulls weren't only a great team because of their offense, their defense shut down opponents. Jordan vs Curry, Pippen vs. Durant, Rodman vs. Green, and other Bulls like Harper, Kukoc. Have to give it to the Bulls.

And one more thing. Bulls have Michael Jordan.

Screamer 06-09-2018 08:21 AM

As someone who hated Jordan, the Bulls would mop the floor with any of these teams today. No one plays defense and all their players could bring it on both ends

JMys55 06-09-2018 08:54 AM

Exactly. [QUOTE=clocsta2323;13621037]I think what is said is that the 96 Bulls didn't have the sharpshooters the Warriors have. That being said, they didn't construct their team to accommodate the current emphasis on the 3 point shot. If the NBA game in 96' had devalued defense and the interior game like it does today, I would wager the 96 Bulls would have adjusted accordingly. I would put Legler and Glen Rice in a 3 Point contest TODAY against any current NBA player.[/QUOTE]

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hawkeyecards 06-09-2018 09:03 AM

This board is straight up delusional at times.
Warrior easily.
Steve Kerr says the Warriors are better than the Bulls and I'd definitely have to agree. Everyone just lives in the past and how good things used to be.

CC71 06-09-2018 09:06 AM

the jordan, pippen, horace grant teams could beat these warriors

Noah 06-09-2018 09:15 AM

[QUOTE=hawkeyecards;13621386]This board is straight up delusional at times.
Warrior easily.
Steve Kerr says the Warriors are better than the Bulls and I'd definitely have to agree. Everyone just lives in the past and how good things used to be.[/QUOTE]

Well there it is, close the poll

The current coach of the warriors said 2 years ago that his team is good enough to beat any team including the bulls.

I totally expected him to say his team couldn’t handle the challenge and would be locked down defensively because you know......... that would look great for a coach to say his team isn’t all that good right before going into the playoffs.

jr24ai3 06-09-2018 09:17 AM

I think under the 90s rules, the Bulls win due to the physical defense that was allowed. Under todays rules, it would be close. Not sure if the Bulls had the 3 point shooting to keep up.

But there's no doubt that Rodman would get in Draymond's head and he'd probably get ejected every game.

Pippen was an elite defender and had the height/strength to defend Durant - not shut him down, but at least challenge him.

Harper could go on Klay

Jordan could cover Steph. His height would give him problems.

Then once Draymond is ejected, Rodman can also help on KD.

Screamer 06-09-2018 09:20 AM

[QUOTE=jr24ai3;13621423]I think under the 90s rules, the Bulls win due to the physical defense that was allowed. Under todays rules, it would be close. Not sure if the Bulls had the 3 point shooting to keep up.

But there's no doubt that Rodman would get in Draymond's head and he'd probably get ejected every game.

Pippen was an elite defender and had the height/strength to defend Durant - not shut him down, but at least challenge him.

Harper could go on Klay

Jordan could cover Steph. His height would give him problems.

Then once Draymond is ejected, Rodman can also help on KD.[/QUOTE]

This is correct

hawkeyecards 06-09-2018 10:14 AM

[QUOTE=jr24ai3;13621423]I think under the 90s rules, the Bulls win due to the physical defense that was allowed. Under todays rules, it would be close. Not sure if the Bulls had the 3 point shooting to keep up.

But there's no doubt that Rodman would get in Draymond's head and he'd probably get ejected every game.

Pippen was an elite defender and had the height/strength to defend Durant - not shut him down, but at least challenge him.

Harper could go on Klay

Jordan could cover Steph. His height would give him problems.

Then once Draymond is ejected, Rodman can also help on KD.[/QUOTE]
It'd be close for sure but I disagree with the matchups. Wouldn't Jordan probably guard Klay, Klay would destroy Harper. Draymond and Rodman would be an awesome match up for sure but Pippen would not be able to stop Durant. Jordan would probably give up a bunch of points to Curry or Klay but would easily get them back on offense.

HOWEVER, MOST IMPORTANTLY...would Coach Kerr be aware he's coaching against Steve Kerr the player and that they're one in the same? Would that cause a shift with how the universe works because would the player and coach be able to read each others minds? Or would everyone just go up to each one individually and say stuff like dang that dude looks just like you? Also, would he have the same family in the stands watching? Or would there be two more identical families?


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