[QUOTE=Satan;19354327]Despite Upper Deck's marketing efforts - Misa might not even be a top 5 pick in the 2025 draft.

The next big rookie will be Gavin McKenna (2026 draft).[/QUOTE]

Think that might be the year Matvei Michkov comes over to play in Philly. Might be a must buy year if Michkov end up in the same series.

[QUOTE=Satan;19354327]Despite Upper Deck's marketing efforts - Misa might not even be a top 5 pick in the 2025 draft.

The next big rookie will be Gavin McKenna (2026 draft).[/QUOTE]

I'm more going off the fact he was granted exceptional status.....or do you think he shouldn't of? (honest question) Only Day was drafted outside top 5 and only Wright besides him didn't go first that got it at 15

[QUOTE=anusinha;19354317]If they dont cut down production next year, the stuff will be on BF clearance for a decade. Stankoven? Will smith? Celebrini? looking like a 22/23 type class.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Satan;19354327]Despite Upper Deck's marketing efforts - Misa might not even be a top 5 pick in the 2025 draft.

The next big rookie will be Gavin McKenna (2026 draft).[/QUOTE]

Whatever prospect ends up with Bedard will have a ton of unearned and irrational hype... and will blow past initial pricing of anyone from 22-23.

[QUOTE=ThatGuyPal;19354281]... Maybe it's me but I get the vibe looking "out for the kids" is over for LCS, you used to have places that would give you a deal or sell closer to MSRP because they knew you were ripping and wanted to give you a break, now everyone is a flipper so I think most are numb now unless you're a lifelong customer or something...[/QUOTE]
Very much on point. Been a customer to the LCS since moving to the Valley in '97. Owner has been pretty good to me through the years.

[QUOTE=ThatGuyPal;19354472]I'm more going off the fact he was granted exceptional status.....or do you think he shouldn't of? (honest question) Only Day was drafted outside top 5 and only Wright besides him didn't go first that got it at 15[/QUOTE]

Joe Veleno slipped to the end of the first round too

Misa was almost denied exceptional status back in April 2022 except he went on a run towards the end of his season and they gave it to him. Like anything, there’s nuance to this. It did look like Misa was considering playing in the USHL (Chicago Steel, he would’ve joined Macklin Celebrini). The CHL wants to keep the best players in Canada.

My LCS was $250 hobby and $80 for tins. I told him he could have probably charged $120 for tins and they would have flown and he just shrugged. Said he was happy what he sold them for and they were a good option for people who couldn’t afford hobby.

Same LCS has been giving out the empty tins to kids for free.

Edit to add, of course I know he’s still making gobs of money on everything. But reading other people’s experiences, he could be a lot worse.

[QUOTE=ThatGuyPal;19354281]People are paying those prices so most aren't gonna leave money on the table, especially when they go on FB Marketplace and see a guy selling them for that price if they don't. Maybe it's me but I get the vibe looking "out for the kids" is over for LCS, you used to have places that would give you a deal or sell closer to MSRP because they knew you were ripping and wanted to give you a break, now everyone is a flipper so I think most are numb now unless you're a lifelong customer or something. Hockey has also sat and been discounted for two years due to a mix of weaker rookie classes and people already saving for Bedard back then, so call it greed but many are bleeding out whatever they can for Bedard year as they don't know if/when this will happen again, and next year will likely revert back to full shelves. Misa will be popular but he isn't considered a Bedard level[/QUOTE]

My LCS owner pays his army of minions to scour every retail shelf in the metro area for hot product and then resells them at a markup in his store. He did this for Zion Prizm mania and is doing it again with S2. “For the kids” is just a smokescreen to get the adults in the store. Owner gives little Mikey a free pack of Topps update and proceeds to sell dad an S2 blaster for $100.

[QUOTE=NotGoSportsBall;19354704]My LCS owner pays his army of minions to scour every retail shelf in the metro area for hot product and then resells them at a markup in his store. He did this for Zion Prizm mania and is doing it again with S2. “For the kids” is just a smokescreen to get the adults in the store. Owner gives little Mikey a free pack of Topps update and proceeds to sell dad an S2 blaster for $100.[/QUOTE]

I don't even bother looking for retail these days. I know the neckbeards in sweatpants already got to it.

LCS's know that the card market will burst again at some point so they're going to bleed their customers during this run while they can

[QUOTE=brettmik59;19354749]I don't even bother looking for retail these days. I know the neckbeards in sweatpants already got to it.[/QUOTE]

You have to at least look, especially in your travels. I found 2 tins on the shelf at a Target 20 minutes ago. Had they had more I would have grabbed to rip a couple more.

[QUOTE=NotGoSportsBall;19354704]My LCS owner pays his army of minions to scour every retail shelf in the metro area for hot product and then resells them at a markup in his store. He did this for Zion Prizm mania and is doing it again with S2. “For the kids” is just a smokescreen to get the adults in the store. Owner gives little Mikey a free pack of Topps update and proceeds to sell dad an S2 blaster for $100.[/QUOTE]

I think I witness this yesterday at a Meijer. Go to the isle nothing there except the tags that were there for hangers and tins. I grab a few series 1 baseball hangers. As im leaving I see this dude rushing to the isle. As I'm done checking out i see the same dude with all the Series 2 in hand The dude must had someone that work there or someone come in there and hide it for him.

[QUOTE=kellmuff;19354805]LCS's know that the card market will burst again at some point so they're going to bleed their customers during this run while they can[/QUOTE]

People who think that LCS's are padding their retirements from Series 2 sales or upcoming '23-24 products will be surprised to know that it's far from the actual real-world happenings.

In most cases to receive any Series 2 products they had to recommit to pick up even more & more '22-23 sku's that no-one wants to buy.

For example....buy 20 more cases of '22-23 Series 2 at $100US per box and then list it on the shelf at $60US per box just to try to recoup some cashflow. Yes...knowingly lose $40 per box to make $10 per box on Bedard Series 2.

It's the distributers, the middlemen (Universal / Grosnor), who are making out like bandits being able to clear out "dead-stock" products that no customer is actually looking for (Credentials/Clear Cut/SPGU/OPC Platinum from last year) by using the threat of cutting off any upcoming Bedard products.

Currently at my LCS you can get 5 hobby boxes of '22-23 Series 2 for the same price as 1 box of this years. So....in theory, the owner would lose $200US to make $10. But, thankfully that's not actually happening as no one is coming in to buy last years Series 2 so it just sits on the shelf.

The crazy thing is 21-22 series 2 has so many more potential star rc YG, with some already producing. Those boxes are cheap comparatively. The 22-23 class has really sucked it up.

I gotta ask, just how many Bedard YG's have been printed? Reddit, twitter, FB, anywhere, people are posting they buy 3 blasters/tins they pull 2 or 3 Bedards, I mean its crazy how many I have seen pull multiples

[QUOTE=kluke84;19352933]Anyone spending 5k for a YG PSA 10 is either a die hard Hawk fan doing a long term hold or an unserious person. McDavid YG 10s go for 2500-2700 currently.[/QUOTE]Lol. I'm a die hard Hawks fan and just sit in amazement at prices. Selling for double McDavid is just bonkers.

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Bedard BGS POP REPORT

[url]https://www.beckett.com/grading/pop-report[/url]

Even if you assume Bedard is the next McDavid, which is quite the assumption, you'd have to adjust for the pop count differential between him and McDavid. How many more Bedards will there be than McDavid? Paying $2500 for one is crazy. Let alone paying $5k lol - those folks need to be brought in for psychiatric evaluation.

[QUOTE=fjf31970;19355079]Bedard BGS POP REPORT

[url]https://www.beckett.com/grading/pop-report[/url][/QUOTE]

6 BGS10
22 graded
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Those numbers really show how far Beckett has fallen off the grading scale for most customers

[QUOTE=brettmik59;19355093]Even if you assume Bedard is the next McDavid, which is quite the assumption, you'd have to adjust for the pop count differential between him and McDavid. How many more Bedards will there be than McDavid? Paying $2500 for one is crazy. Let alone paying $5k lol - those folks need to be brought in for psychiatric evaluation.[/QUOTE]

The thing is Mcdavid is sorta like Mike Trout - exceptionally gifted at his sport but pretty "vanilla" on an intangible level. Neither seems to give a hoot about lack of notoriety. I can most certainly guarantee you that an avid Baseball card collector is not saying that they NEED a Mcdavid YG in their collection and vice versa. Plus....who in the US really cares about the Edmonton Oilers and nobody in Canada gives a damn about the Anaheim Angels for collectability. Either could walk down the street and pretty well go unnoticed by passersby.

Bedard though, may be one of the first to crossover to other sports collectors. If so, 50k YG's may not be nearly enough to satiate the collector market. Add that he plays for an Original Six team, is a Canadian and plays for a huge US market team.

Who knows??? Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=zeus22;19355184]The thing is Mcdavid is sorta like Mike Trout - exceptionally gifted at his sport but pretty "vanilla" on an intangible level. Neither seems to give a hoot about lack of notoriety. I can most certainly guarantee you that an avid Baseball card collector is not saying that they NEED a Mcdavid YG in their collection and vice versa. Plus....who in the US really cares about the Edmonton Oilers and nobody in Canada gives a damn about the Anaheim Angels for collectability. Either could walk down the street and pretty well go unnoticed by passersby.

Bedard though, may be one of the first to crossover to other sports collectors. If so, 50k YG's may not be nearly enough to satiate the collector market. Add that he plays for an Original Six team, is a Canadian and plays for a huge US market team.

Who knows??? Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]

They do feature the Oilers quite a bit stateside on ESPN/TNT national broadcasts all things considered for a Canadian team. I do think he has significant notoriety in the US. Market is not as impactful as it was 10-20 yrs ago where a big city increased value due to all the local TV packages. You.can watch.every game if you want to.

Trout is not a.bad comp for individual vs. Team success. I do.think the Oilers have a window for as long as McDavid plays. Trout not so much as in baseball it is harder for 1 player to have significant team impact.

Bedard could be a crossover athlete but it will takes several years to know.

[QUOTE=zeus22;19355184]The thing is Mcdavid is sorta like Mike Trout - exceptionally gifted at his sport but pretty "vanilla" on an intangible level. Neither seems to give a hoot about lack of notoriety. I can most certainly guarantee you that an avid Baseball card collector is not saying that they NEED a Mcdavid YG in their collection and vice versa. Plus....who in the US really cares about the Edmonton Oilers and nobody in Canada gives a damn about the Anaheim Angels for collectability. Either could walk down the street and pretty well go unnoticed by passersby.

Bedard though, may be one of the first to crossover to other sports collectors. If so, 50k YG's may not be nearly enough to satiate the collector market. Add that he plays for an Original Six team, is a Canadian and plays for a huge US market team.

Who knows??? Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]

He’s a crossover because of Chicago?

Good luck with that

The Trout comparison is fine…. That just makes Bedard like Bryce Harper

Not as good but more media friendly

Bedard is more Trevor Lawrence than Joe Burrow.

Good, clean looks made for tv screens (and sports card boxes lol), but don't really have that extra flash or unspoken charisma the way Burrow does. That being said I don't think hockey really encourages that either compared to the NBA or NFL, they don't want another Sean Avery lol

Trout and Mcdavid have the highest modern rookies so it's not bad company but I doubt he influences other collectors that much. You're kind of seeing it right now, Wemby is the Bedard of basketball but how many people on here are buying up Wemby? I'd guess pretty low and vice versa yeah there's clearly some basketball/football guys opening looking for Bedard but I think most are just looking for a quick flip as it's been awhile since something this good out of retail or even hobby with the odds was possible (Prizm retail is ok if you hit Wemby but hobby is still insane). In a year I don't think you have basketball guys searching for PSA 10 Bedards as they'll be on to the next thing.

[QUOTE=ThatGuyPal;19355485]Bedard is more Trevor Lawrence than Joe Burrow.

Good, clean looks made for tv screens (and sports card boxes lol), but don't really have that extra flash or unspoken charisma the way Burrow does. That being said I don't think hockey really encourages that either compared to the NBA or NFL, they don't want another Sean Avery lol

Trout and Mcdavid have the highest modern rookies so it's not bad company but I doubt he influences other collectors that much. You're kind of seeing it right now, Wemby is the Bedard of basketball but how many people on here are buying up Wemby? I'd guess pretty low and vice versa yeah there's clearly some basketball/football guys opening looking for Bedard but I think most are just looking for a quick flip as it's been awhile since something this good out of retail or even hobby with the odds was possible (Prizm retail is ok if you hit Wemby but hobby is still insane). In a year I don't think you have basketball guys searching for PSA 10 Bedards as they'll be on to the next thing.[/QUOTE]


ewwwwwww not good

[QUOTE=ThatGuyPal;19355485]Bedard is more Trevor Lawrence than Joe Burrow.

Good, clean looks made for tv screens (and sports card boxes lol), but don't really have that extra flash or unspoken charisma the way Burrow does. That being said I don't think hockey really encourages that either compared to the NBA or NFL, they don't want another Sean Avery lol

Trout and Mcdavid have the highest modern rookies so it's not bad company but I doubt he influences other collectors that much. You're kind of seeing it right now, Wemby is the Bedard of basketball but how many people on here are buying up Wemby? I'd guess pretty low and vice versa yeah there's clearly some basketball/football guys opening looking for Bedard but I think most are just looking for a quick flip as it's been awhile since something this good out of retail or even hobby with the odds was possible (Prizm retail is ok if you hit Wemby but hobby is still insane). In a year I don't think you have basketball guys searching for PSA 10 Bedards as they'll be on to the next thing.[/QUOTE]

Are Trevor Lorence and Joe Borough Wichita linemen? When is the Wembly tennis thing starting?

Bedard Outburst sold for $1850 at the Chicago show. Didn't see it myself, but dealer claimed it looked extremely clean.

do we know what product is out next?

[QUOTE=terrymcginnis;19355835]do we know what product is out next?[/QUOTE]

2023-24 SPx Hockey

I think Game Used is before SpX but they may have swapped dates.

[QUOTE=zeus22;19354914]People who think that LCS's are padding their retirements from Series 2 sales or upcoming '23-24 products will be surprised to know that it's far from the actual real-world happenings.

In most cases to receive any Series 2 products they had to recommit to pick up even more & more '22-23 sku's that no-one wants to buy.

For example....buy 20 more cases of '22-23 Series 2 at $100US per box and then list it on the shelf at $60US per box just to try to recoup some cashflow. Yes...knowingly lose $40 per box to make $10 per box on Bedard Series 2.

It's the distributers, the middlemen (Universal / Grosnor), who are making out like bandits being able to clear out "dead-stock" products that no customer is actually looking for (Credentials/Clear Cut/SPGU/OPC Platinum from last year) by using the threat of cutting off any upcoming Bedard products.

Currently at my LCS you can get 5 hobby boxes of '22-23 Series 2 for the same price as 1 box of this years. So....in theory, the owner would lose $200US to make $10. But, thankfully that's not actually happening as no one is coming in to buy last years Series 2 so it just sits on the shelf.[/QUOTE]

LCS owner here. True story. We got our 6 cases of hobby since we went hard on Series 1. Anything after that and distributors want us to buy 5 grand in 2021-22 or 2022-23 products like Ice/Credentials/MVP in order to get ONE more case of hobby. As for that other LCS owner in the thread above that cleans out retail at big box stores....the person is a dufus and hasnt figured out how to get retail through distribution channels yet. We aren't all like that person.

[QUOTE=armyml;19356058]LCS owner here. True story. We got our 6 cases of hobby since we went hard on Series 1. Anything after that and distributors want us to buy 5 grand in 2021-22 or 2022-23 products like Ice/Credentials/MVP in order to get ONE more case of hobby. As for that other LCS owner in the thread above that cleans out retail at big box stores....the person is a dufus and hasnt figured out how to get retail through distribution channels yet. We aren't all like that person.[/QUOTE]

I believe you. Our particular LCS owner has a rep for squeezing every drop of juice out of every penny.

As a person who lives in rural East Texas and neither of the LCS carries hockey, retail is all I have. It is indeed frustrating when those who don’t collect hockey clears the shelf and flip for twice the price. It is frustrating because I like to rip product, but I understand. I will never knock someone who is trying to make a profit. I do not buy at aftermarket prices. If I find it, Awesome! If I don’t, oh well!

[QUOTE=ThatGuyPal;19356034]I think Game Used is before SpX but they may have swapped dates.[/QUOTE]

Very well could be - with all the delays and flip flopping of product release dates, it’s kinda’ tough to figure out what’s going to happen before it actually does… i. e. ~it’s 2024, and if I remember correctly, some 2022 product is soon to be released :doh:

[QUOTE=cardsin47;19356086]Very well could be - with all the delays and flip flopping of product release dates, it’s kinda’ tough to figure out what’s going to happen before it actually does… i. e. ~it’s 2024, and if I remember correctly, some 2022 product is soon to be released :doh:[/QUOTE]

22/23 still has ultimate, premier, probably some random things like stature, and of course, the cup. All of it is going straight to the bargain bin.

I'm curious about the middle-aged couple over his left shoulder on the card, I'm sure someone will find out who they are someday if his young guns becomes an iconic hockey card.

I think that's just an internet thing, people on the internet are bored, no one in real life is wondering who that couple is lol same as no one searched out "girl on her phone in the back of Mcdavid's YG" that I know of, maybe some creep did lol so I doubt unless the couple themselves become substantial (Menendez broes, the blind side family, dolph) anyone will do the research.

Back to Bedard if you are a betting man, hammer 1+ points if he's playing a bottom five level team lol pretty much a guarantee.

Lil last one second remaining gift, we'll take two points, nice of Kurashev to look out since Bedard did for him earlier.

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Surprised BGS is being that generous with a 9.5, but at the same time it's BGS. 🤷

[QUOTE=Ehawk89;19357030][url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/364785830759?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=Txd4XSMWQZe&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=HFTY4xDdQ7i&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY[/url]

Surprised BGS is being that generous with a 9.5, but at the same time it's BGS. 🤷[/QUOTE]
I know how the BGS algorithm works and in theory, yes, the 10-10-9.5 would drag the bottom 9 up for an overall 9.5, but with that edge NO WAY should the overall grade be a 9.5. Edges should be an 8.5. Card should at best be a 9. Would be lucky to get a PSA 9.

[QUOTE=valleynuckfan;19357088]I know how the BGS algorithm works and in theory, yes, the 10-10-9.5 would drag the bottom 9 up for an overall 9.5, but with that edge NO WAY should the overall grade be a 9.5. Edges should be an 8.5. Card should at best be a 9. Would be lucky to get a PSA 9.[/QUOTE]

There's also a pristine 10 that with 9.5 edges that's got noticeable little nicks on that right corner too. Definitely questionable.

[QUOTE=Ehawk89;19357112]There's also a pristine 10 that with 9.5 edges that's got noticeable little nicks on that right corner too. Definitely questionable.[/QUOTE]

Not only BGS, but I have seen some PSA 10’s that I questioned. The early Bedard 10’s are not likely to continue down the line. That same edge issue was the reason a friend of mine went 0-17 on his series 1 submission and he grades a lot.

There might be 10’s happening with the base, but there are zero for anything else and the parallels, exclusives especially, are printed on a better stock. The outburst cards will have a very low gem rate if you have looked at any of them under magnification. Currently base 86/156 10’s.

[QUOTE=Ehawk89;19357030][url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/364785830759?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=Txd4XSMWQZe&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=HFTY4xDdQ7i&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY[/url]

Surprised BGS is being that generous with a 9.5, but at the same time it's BGS. 🤷[/QUOTE]

Buy the card, not the grade. Yikes.

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That's hilarious. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

[QUOTE=coltsnsox07;19356293]I'm curious about the middle-aged couple over his left shoulder on the card, I'm sure someone will find out who they are someday if his young guns becomes an iconic hockey card.[/QUOTE]

I'd much rather be the guy whose face is covered by the UD logo.

[QUOTE=Satan;19357393]That's hilarious. Oh how the mighty have fallen.[/QUOTE]

Went to the Chicago show with a buddy and his teenage sons on Saturday. They've just gotten into cards the past few months and without me saying anything they already know BGS is a joke.

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Surprised BGS is being that generous with a 9.5, but at the same time it's BGS. 🤷[/QUOTE]

Not to derail the thread, but there was a post on X/Twitter/IG this weekend...

Guy brought a card to BGS and they graded it altered.... He sold it, new owner walked it over to BGS at the same show and they gave it a 9 with a 10 auto...

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[QUOTE=jmarascojr;19357979]Not to derail the thread, but there was a post on X/Twitter/IG this weekend...

Guy brought a card to BGS and they graded it altered.... He sold it, new owner walked it over to BGS at the same show and they gave it a 9 with a 10 auto...

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Obviously the major companies will adopt AI for grading at some point, no? Or does that cut into their profits? Less 10’s means less subs?

[QUOTE=bub838;19357337]Buy the card, not the grade. Yikes.

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Yikes is right!

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I could hold that card at arms length and see that paper loss. That’s bad.

What's sad it's got 31 bids and reached over 2k.

[QUOTE=Ehawk89;19358200]What's sad it's got 31 bids and reached over 2k.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like 31 bids on a label — personally, I prefer to bid on a card :coffee:

[QUOTE=cardsin47;19358179]Yikes is right!
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The highest bidder is going to crack-trim & submit to PSA.

Modern grading is a scam. Unless the card predates 1952, at which point it's a 50-50 that it's a scam. Blows my mind that people pay the premiums they do for cards in slabs considering all the absolute bogus things PSA and BGS have done in their history.

[QUOTE=onenineeightsix;19359187]Modern grading is a scam. Unless the card predates 1952, at which point it's a 50-50 that it's a scam. Blows my mind that people pay the premiums they do for cards in slabs considering all the absolute bogus things PSA and BGS have done in their history.[/QUOTE]

People pay inflated prices for a lot of things. When is a t-shirt, car, or any of the other designer items worth the markup for a name? The fact of the matter people are buying a brand and are willing to pay more. Does anyone really think name brand and store bought goods are really that different?

This is the Connor Bedard thread. "Grading is a scam" has hundreds of other threads in which to contribute your arguments that are clearly swaying the market by the day.

Wanted to see what thoughts were on the Amazon docu-series. NHL is such a niche market, but hopes are that Bedard will bring more eyes to the sport. Behind-the-scenes content has been a focal point for other sports, but hasn't been quite as effective for niche sports. Where does hockey land? I feel like it may be more like the golf series, where there just aren't enough personalities to attract attention from the casual sports fan, but who knows.

[QUOTE=The_Reverend;19359288]People pay inflated prices for a lot of things. When is a t-shirt, car, or any of the other designer items worth the markup for a name? The fact of the matter people are buying a brand and are willing to pay more. Does anyone really think name brand and store bought goods are really that different?[/QUOTE]

This is correct

[QUOTE=dcarado;19359358]This is the Connor Bedard thread. "Grading is a scam" has hundreds of other threads in which to contribute your arguments that are clearly swaying the market by the day.

Wanted to see what thoughts were on the Amazon docu-series. NHL is such a niche market, but hopes are that Bedard will bring more eyes to the sport. Behind-the-scenes content has been a focal point for other sports, but hasn't been quite as effective for niche sports. Where does hockey land? I feel like it may be more like the golf series, where there just aren't enough personalities to attract attention from the casual sports fan, but who knows.[/QUOTE]

Bedard will draw a few more eyeballs for curious ppl or bc of hype.

But long term, I don't think this really moves the overall hockey needle. How many ppl became (and stayed) hockey fans bc of Crosby/Ovi/McDavid?

[QUOTE=Asian62150;19359373]Bedard will draw a few more eyeballs for curious ppl or bc of hype.

But long term, I don't think this really moves the overall hockey needle. How many ppl became (and stayed) hockey fans bc of Crosby/Ovi/McDavid?[/QUOTE]

I get why the immediate comparison is McDavid/Ovi/Crosby, but I would argue he has potential to be more of a Steph Curry type star. True hockey fans are gonna watch regardless, but if Bedard can appeal to the younger watch-games-on-my-IG-feed crowd, that's where the needle-moving potential is.

Now that you mention it, hockey should lend itself well to the IG/TikTok crowd bc of the speed of the game/highlights that happen in the blink of an eye.

But does Bedard have the ability to change the way ppl actually play hockey like Steph did?

And another thing Steph did was appeal to the masses because he looks like an average dude out there (even though he's still over 6 feet). Bedard is a little on the smaller size but I don't know if he'll get the average person to think "hey, I can do what he's doing!"

I hope Bedard can make hockey more popular though. It's a pretty fun sport but ppl only seem to notice during the SC Playoffs.

[QUOTE=Asian62150;19359431]Now that you mention it, hockey should lend itself well to the IG/TikTok crowd bc of the speed of the game/highlights that happen in the blink of an eye.

But does Bedard have the ability to change the way ppl actually play hockey like Steph did?

And another thing Steph did was appeal to the masses because he looks like an average dude out there (even though he's still over 6 feet). Bedard is a little on the smaller size but I don't know if he'll get the average person to think "hey, I can do what he's doing!"

I hope Bedard can make hockey more popular though. It's a pretty fun sport but ppl only seem to notice during the SC Playoffs.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I think hockey definitely has a different ceiling, as most 12-year-olds can go out in their driveways and jack up 3s like Steph or throw a football around, but aren't gonna be out there with a hockey stick shooting at garage doors. From the casual sports fan perspective though, the game does lend itself to the tiktok crowd watching clips. As a fan of most of the major sports, I think hockey is the best game to watch live, but the challenge for the leagues is to maximize the experience of the casual fan who isn't ever going to be a season-ticket holder. The NHL is obviously milking this as much as they can, so it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

[QUOTE=dcarado;19359457]Yeah, I think hockey definitely has a different ceiling, as most 12-year-olds can go out in their driveways and jack up 3s like Steph or throw a football around, but aren't gonna be out there with a hockey stick shooting at garage doors. From the casual sports fan perspective though, the game does lend itself to the tiktok crowd watching clips. As a fan of most of the major sports, I think hockey is the best game to watch live, but the challenge for the leagues is to maximize the experience of the casual fan who isn't ever going to be a season-ticket holder. The NHL is obviously milking this as much as they can, so it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.[/QUOTE]

Very true. You need an ice rink and like 9-10 other committed buddies to play some hockey. And that doesn't include buying/renting skates, and paying for ice time.

For most other sports, you can just take a ball and go to a park, or call up 1-2 guys and throw a football, shoot some hoops.

I played plenty of street hockey growing up. A stick, a ball, and a fence or garage is all you really need at the most basic level.

Expecting Bedard to grow the game of hockey in any meaningful way is completely futile.

He's not Gretzky.

[QUOTE=Asian62150;19359431]Now that you mention it, hockey should lend itself well to the IG/TikTok crowd bc of the speed of the game/highlights that happen in the blink of an eye.

But does Bedard have the ability to change the way ppl actually play hockey like Steph did?

And another thing Steph did was appeal to the masses because he looks like an average dude out there (even though he's still over 6 feet). Bedard is a little on the smaller size but I don't know if he'll get the average person to think "hey, I can do what he's doing!"

I hope Bedard can make hockey more popular though. It's a pretty fun sport but ppl only seem to notice during the SC Playoffs.[/QUOTE]

What’s a Steph.

D&A pulling the bounty has people thinking the 1/1 has been pulled...

According to board members Bedard is gonna make hockey the most popular sport, Caitlyn Clark is gonna make WNBA the most popular league, and Carlos Alacaraz is gonna make your son wanna play tennis.

[QUOTE=LaloSalamanca;19360276]D&A pulling the bounty has people thinking the 1/1 has been pulled...[/QUOTE]They pulled the bounty off their site?

Someone in the BST section is offering up a Bedard YG PSA 10 at 3k/BO.

[QUOTE=Asian62150;19359431]Now that you mention it, hockey should lend itself well to the IG/TikTok crowd bc of the speed of the game/highlights that happen in the blink of an eye.

But does Bedard have the ability to change the way ppl actually play hockey like Steph did?

And another thing Steph did was appeal to the masses because he looks like an average dude out there (even though he's still over 6 feet). Bedard is a little on the smaller size but I don't know if he'll get the average person to think "hey, I can do what he's doing!"

I hope Bedard can make hockey more popular though. It's a pretty fun sport but ppl only seem to notice during the SC Playoffs.[/QUOTE]

Peoole forget that the overall hobby is much larger, not necessarily hockey market, but many more fans and younger. Those of us who are hockey types, knew about Bedard, but his stardom and of course hype has done for hockey what did not happen for wemby.

Wemby is generational no doubt, but I bet most hockey people could care less about spending $1,000 on a Prizm box to pull him. On the other hand, basketball, football, and even baseball money is flowing into hockey like never before. The problem finding hockey at retail prices has a lot to do with the people coming over from those other sports.

[QUOTE=The_Reverend;19360456]Peoole forget that the overall hobby is much larger, not necessarily hockey market, but many more fans and younger. Those of us who are hockey types, knew about Bedard, but his stardom and of course hype has done for hockey what did not happen for wemby.

Wemby is generational no doubt, but I bet most hockey people could care less about spending $1,000 on a Prizm box to pull him. On the other hand, basketball, football, and even baseball money is flowing into hockey like never before. The problem finding hockey at retail prices has a lot to do with the people coming over from those other sports.[/QUOTE]

Modern basketball feels really dead, even with Wemby most retail wax is barely selling above MSRP. Prizm is moving, but one wants Donruss or Hoops or anything else.

[QUOTE=Asian62150;19359431]Now that you mention it, hockey should lend itself well to the IG/TikTok crowd bc of the speed of the game/highlights that happen in the blink of an eye.

But does Bedard have the ability to change the way ppl actually play hockey like Steph did?

And another thing Steph did was appeal to the masses because he looks like an average dude out there (even though he's still over 6 feet). Bedard is a little on the smaller size but I don't know if he'll get the average person to think "hey, I can do what he's doing!"

I hope Bedard can make hockey more popular though. It's a pretty fun sport but ppl only seem to notice during the SC Playoffs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=anusinha;19360465]Modern basketball feels really dead, even with Wemby most retail wax is barely selling above MSRP. Prizm is moving, but one wants Donruss or Hoops or anything else.[/QUOTE]

Indeed and you can pretty much go into Walmart and find lots on the shelf of Basketball if you want to chase Wemby. As we know, that is not the case with Retail UD2.

[QUOTE=The_Reverend;19360456]Peoole forget that the overall hobby is much larger, not necessarily hockey market, but many more fans and younger. Those of us who are hockey types, knew about Bedard, but his stardom and of course hype has done for hockey what did not happen for wemby.

Wemby is generational no doubt, but I bet most hockey people could care less about spending $1,000 on a Prizm box to pull him. On the other hand, basketball, football, and even baseball money is flowing into hockey like never before. The problem finding hockey at retail prices has a lot to do with the people coming over from those other sports.[/QUOTE]

Part of the problem with basketball is the wide discrepancy between the price of wax vs. singles (basically EV is way out of whack).

In general, I think 30% EV is pretty normal. But Prizm Hobby is probably around 10% or less (and many boxes are missing 1 or both autos).

At least if I hit a Bedard YG, I'm going to make my money back, even at $300/box. If I hit a base Wemby Prizm, I'm still down $900+ on a box of Prizm hobby. That's wild.

It's not a competition but Wemby and Bedard aren't comparable at all, YG's can't be compared to a Prizm rookie when you get 6 YG's per box and you can't even compare it to his silver prizm as you get less of those than YG's per box. The price is also a huge factor as stated above, you can bet if Prizm was $300 a box it would be gone EVERYWHERE, and you wouldn't have a section of people still complaining about price as they did with S2. This year is pretty stacked rookie wise across sports but money can't go everywhere, so far the collecting world and flippers have deemed UD S2 one of if not the best flagship return possibilities so it's being bought up. It doesn't mean baseball guys aren't looking for Elly De La Cruz and are picking up the skates, it means they may try a box or blaster to ride the hype train and possible 2-3X their money. The same way a ton of hockey guys didn't become basketball fans when Zion was the more popular rookie over Laffy, other sports aren't becoming hockey fans they are cashing out lol are people happy to pull Bedard because they want it for their PC or have even watched a min or his games? No they are happy because they just pulled a card worth a nice chunk of change, I've only seen a few people where their excitement didn't feel financially motivated.

[QUOTE=NotGoSportsBall;19360335]Someone in the BST section is offering up a Bedard YG PSA 10 at 3k/BO.[/QUOTE]

Annnnnnnd it's gone (Pending payment)

Gun control is getting pretty crazy when you can't put "Young Guns" on a PSA label....jk but really didn't know they didn't put that on the label

[QUOTE=ThatGuyPal;19360512]Annnnnnnd it's gone (Pending payment)

Gun control is getting pretty crazy when you can't put "Young Guns" on a PSA label....jk but really didn't know they didn't put that on the label[/QUOTE]

These things are still selling for 2500 a pop on ebay....... same as McDavid more or less