[QUOTE=SearchPatrol;18572852]It only takes one person to want the card. Also, for trade.

Still don't get why some people are so worried with how others price their cards?[/QUOTE]

You don't get why people find overpriced items problematic? Are you sure?

Observations on the current state of the hobby from a show this weekend
 

[QUOTE=SearchPatrol;18572852]It only takes one person to want the card. Also, for trade.

Still don't get why some people are so worried with how others price their cards?[/QUOTE]


It’s more because buyers of cards are way more educated now. If they’re going to drop a couple grand on a card, they know the price range. It’s not that we are worried how someone prices their cards, it’s more how that person seems insulted when you offer a reasonable price for a relatively easy to find card. Like they are upset that you aren’t allowing them to take you for an extra $1,000 dollars. That’s when the eyebrows raise—not at the price they originally list it for.

Maybe they should get a table and put a sign out saying “Show and Tell Only—Cards not actually for Sale.”

[QUOTE=SearchPatrol;18572852]It only takes one person to want the card. Also, for trade.

Still don't get why some people are so worried with how others price their cards?[/QUOTE]

I didn't see any worry, but rather an observation... in a relevant thread nonetheless

[QUOTE=FT35;18572932]It’s more because buyers of cards are way more educated now. If they’re going to drop a couple grand on a card, they know the price range. It’s not that we are worried how someone prices their cards, it’s more how that person seems insulted when you offer a reasonable price for a relatively easy to find card. Like they are upset that you aren’t allowing them to take you for an extra $1,000 dollars. That’s when the eyebrows raise—not at the price they originally list it for.

Maybe they should get a table and put a sign out saying “Show and Tell Only—Cards not actually for Sale.”[/QUOTE]

See myslabs.com

[QUOTE=SearchPatrol;18572852]It only takes one person to want the card. Also, for trade.

Still don't get why some people are so worried with how others price their cards?[/QUOTE]


I’m not worried. I’m calm and cool.


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[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;18572859]Trout is from the surrounding area

and how much does it weigh to "bring it to the show"? lol[/QUOTE]


Are you saying the people in the Philly area aren’t very bright and can’t see the 30-50 online for sale for less? Lol

Slabs weigh a lot when you have no sales and have to stick them back in the old Nova.


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[QUOTE=tconte;18573132]Are you saying the people in the Philly area aren’t very bright and can’t see the 30-50 online for sale for less? Lol

Slabs weigh a lot when you have no sales and have to stick them back in the old Nova.


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just saying you never know.

paying cash in person is always better than buying online for many reasons.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;18573158]just saying you never know.

paying cash in person is always better than buying online for many reasons.[/QUOTE]

Cmon dude lol

[QUOTE=Neal;18573216]Cmon dude lol[/QUOTE]

when someone calls someone from a show, US175 is something that is discussed? lol

weird indeed lol

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;18573234]when someone calls someone from a show, US175 is something that is discussed? lol

weird indeed lol[/QUOTE]

That and price of Cecil Cooper rookies.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;18573234]when someone calls someone from a show, US175 is something that is discussed? lol

weird indeed lol[/QUOTE]

tconte - how was the show? Any deals?
dude - nope. Typical stuff .... overpriced Mantles, tons of unopened from 2019 up, and one guy had a US175 for 2500
tconte - wow. Did you ask about it just to see if he has any room?
dude - yes. He said no

Not sure if that is how it went, but not out of question. The US175 is kind of an "indicator" as where the modern market is. No?

I think the modern market is in turmoil, and there are unfortunately many that will get burned. Hopefully not, but probably yes

[QUOTE=tconte;18573273]That and price of Cecil Cooper rookies.[/QUOTE]

don't you mean US300? Same type hitter

Ill be at the show tomorrow.

Who’s buying Trout PSA 10 updates anymore anyway?

[QUOTE=cholodolo;18572893]You don't get why people find overpriced items problematic? Are you sure?[/QUOTE]

I would say we have at least 1 Billion cards in circulation right now. If one card is priced higher than what you would pay, Move On. No different than going to Disneyland or a sporting event. They over charge food items, and yet, people still buy them.

It's funny how when cards were on fire a year or 2 ago, my LCS was cheaper on almost every product, because prices were going up.
Now his boxes are $30-$200 more, because prices are dropping the moment the product releases.
I am ok paying $10 or so more, but he is not even in the ballpark with several products these days.

[QUOTE=notfast;18573359]Ill be at the show tomorrow.

Who’s buying Trout PSA 10 updates anymore anyway?[/QUOTE]

Would love to add one. But I had a hard time justifying $400 in 2018, can't imagine I'll ever get one at this point.

[QUOTE=Neal;18573344]tconte - how was the show? Any deals?
dude - nope. Typical stuff .... overpriced Mantles, tons of unopened from 2019 up, and one guy had a US175 for 2500
tconte - wow. Did you ask about it just to see if he has any room?
dude - yes. He said no

Not sure if that is how it went, but not out of question. The US175 is kind of an "indicator" as where the modern market is. No?

[B]I think the modern market is in turmoil, and there are unfortunately many that will get burned. Hopefully not, but probably yes[/B][/QUOTE]

if they are, thats on them. but it does suck to see people spending more than they can afford to lose while collecting.

as for the phone convo, thats bizarre.
i know you both have an issue with US175, so i would say its fabricated.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;18573575]if they are, thats on them. but it does suck to see people spending more than they can afford to lose while collecting.

as for the phone convo, thats bizarre.
i know you both have an issue with US175, so i would say its fabricated.[/QUOTE]

Agreed on the first comment

As for the 2nd, I think you are nuts to think that conversation couldn't have happened. I wasn't part of it, just simply guessed. Insert any other modern card instead of us175. A card I think is one of the few iconic cards produced since 1989

Stop guessing at things and stick to your typical responses.

[QUOTE=SearchPatrol;18573374]I would say we have at least 1 Billion cards in circulation right now. If one card is priced higher than what you would pay, Move On. No different than going to Disneyland or a sporting event. They over charge food items, and yet, people still buy them.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I mean, I guess. Tad defensive of overpricing items--noted.

This is a thread discussing observations and trends in the industry. Dealers pricing cards where the market was 6, 12, 18 months ago is a relevant topic. It is also a recurring theme over the 40+ pages of discussion. This is not an isolated incident.

Why are you worried about what Disneyland charges for food? This isn't a thread discussing trends in Disney pricing. :cool:

[QUOTE=cholodolo;18572893]You don't get why people find overpriced items problematic? Are you sure?[/QUOTE]

I don't get why people find overpriced cards problematic. Why should they care when the solution is so simple?

[QUOTE=rwperu34;18573669]I don't get why people find overpriced cards problematic. Why should they care when the solution is so simple?[/QUOTE]

So it can't be discussed? I'm confused.

I don't believe anyone was advocating punishment for those doing the overpricing.

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Day 1 pickup.

This show has some great vintage and pre-war.

That is a nice example - solid pickup

[QUOTE=FT35;185729[B]32]It’s more because buyers of cards are way more educated now.[/B] If they’re going to drop a couple grand on a card, they know the price range. It’s not that we are worried how someone prices their cards, it’s more how that person seems insulted when you offer a reasonable price for a relatively easy to find card. Like they are upset that you aren’t allowing them to take you for an extra $1,000 dollars. That’s when the eyebrows raise—not at the price they originally list it for.

Maybe they should get a table and put a sign out saying “Show and Tell Only—Cards not actually for Sale.”[/QUOTE]

Great points. Opportunistic flippers always lie in wait for potential newbie buyers, the pandemic was their once in a lifetime wet dream.

Just got back from Philly.

Lots of vintage which is nice.

Modern cards are in rough shape. Dealers are not coming down. Not sure when or if they will.

Guys are literally 200-300% recent average sales and that’s no bueno for the pelican case crew trying to flip everything

[QUOTE=theshowandme;18574668]Just got back from Philly.

Lots of vintage which is nice.

Modern cards are in rough shape. Dealers are not coming down. Not sure when or if they will.

Guys are literally 200-300% recent average sales and that’s no bueno for the pelican case crew trying to flip everything[/QUOTE]

Ask the guys at 300% of comps if they are willing to buy at half their price.

[QUOTE=theshowandme;18574668]Just got back from Philly.

Lots of vintage which is nice.

Modern cards are in rough shape. Dealers are not coming down. Not sure when or if they will.

Guys are literally 200-300% recent average sales and [B]that’s no bueno for the pelican case crew trying to flip everything[/B][/QUOTE]

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I'm starting to think my strategy of focusing on only 3 modern young players with 1 prospect, and buying high end heavily in late 2020/2021 was with some risk.

[QUOTE=anusinha;18574688]Ask the guys at 300% of comps if they are willing to buy at half their price.[/QUOTE]


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[QUOTE=tconte;18572660]My buddy just called me as he left the Philly show to drop off some cards to auction this
month. He was walking around looking at some odds and ends. Here is one thing I don't
get. He saw a US175 Trout RC Update PSA 10 and asked a price for. He said $2500 firm.

I got to believe he knows they are going for $1500ish +/-.

My question is why even bring that to the Philly show? Why waste everyone's time?[/QUOTE]
I saw a PSA 10 Trout Rookie today at a show in Asheville, NC - the guy said he wanted $4,800.

Attended the Philly Show today (Saturday)

Was able to grab a bunch of stuff at decent prices. Some of the dealers I purchased from had their stuff priced slightly higher than ebay but were willing to go under when I showed them comps. Had a few that were high (way high) and wouldn’t budge. I’m sure they will be carrying their stuff home tomorrow because most of the buyers I saw negotiating were well aware of the ongoing market correction.

Saw a decent sized dealer set up with a lot of modern and ultra modern that wasn’t priced. Got the impression that he wanted to move his stuff quickly when speaking with him. Got a great price on a Wander Franco 1st Bowman Auto (half of eBay comps).

Didn’t buy any vintage this time but there was plenty.

Ultra Modern slabs weren’t moving and there was a ton for sale. That bubble has burst.

The value boxes were great at some of the tables. Lots of $5 cards that were $20 a year or two ago.

Wax prices were slightly higher than the big online stores but not by much.

Saw a few people trying to sell newer stuff and the dealers replied that they were offering 50-60% of current comps. Certainly a sign of the times.

Overall, it was a great show. Was able to stretch my budget out much farther compared to the last few years at Philly.

[QUOTE=abbeyroadwalker;18574715]I saw a PSA 10 Trout Rookie today at a show in Asheville, NC - the guy said he wanted $4,800.[/QUOTE]




You have to be joking!!! :D:D:D How did you not laugh in his face?

[QUOTE=blackbears86;18574916]You have to be joking!!! :D:D:D How did you not laugh in his face?[/QUOTE]
I did..!! For some reason, that didn't help get the price down.

How was the attendance at the Philly show?

[QUOTE=POKTRITON;18574922]How was the attendance at the Philly show?[/QUOTE]

heard is was D.E.D.

[QUOTE=POKTRITON;18574922]How was the attendance at the Philly show?[/QUOTE]


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Packed today. This was early too.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;18574933]heard is was D.E.D.[/QUOTE]
By noon, it was packed.

i always like scanning these pictures and try to find either a woman or a non white guy

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Packed today. This was early too.[/QUOTE]

That's it?!

Hobby has died.

[QUOTE=eastbayak;18574992]That's it?!

Hobby has died.[/QUOTE]

Nandrolone

[QUOTE=eastbayak;18574992]That's it?!

Hobby has died.[/QUOTE]

I don’t see any pelican cases. Does the white hoody kid have a jumbo box stuff in front pocket?

[QUOTE=SaltyCracker;18575031]I don’t see any pelican cases. Does the white hoody kid have a jumbo box stuff in front pocket?[/QUOTE]


Peli-boys had to have had a rough weekend. The YouTube crews were out so I may be wrong

[QUOTE=anusinha;18574688]Ask the guys at 300% of comps if they are willing to buy at half their price.[/QUOTE]

I ask myself this question constantly...

[QUOTE=cholodolo;18573676]So it can't be discussed? I'm confused.

I don't believe anyone was advocating punishment for those doing the overpricing.[/QUOTE]

Discussion is great, especially when it leads to finding the actual value of a card. Where I don't see a problem is a guy pricing a $1500 card for $2500.

[QUOTE=anusinha;18574991]i always like scanning these pictures and try to find either a woman or a non white guy[/QUOTE]

I don't remember seeing one female at the National who wasn't a gf/wife, kid, or working a booth.

[QUOTE=Pacmeyer;18575294]I don't remember seeing one female at the National who wasn't a gf/wife, kid, or working a booth.[/QUOTE]

I don't see why people make this out to be more than it is. There are interests and hobbys for some people that just do not interest others. Big deal. Every been to a bridal show? They are big, and I don't think you are going to see any random dudes there.

[QUOTE=Pacmeyer;18575294]I don't remember seeing one female at the National who wasn't a gf/wife, kid, or working a booth.[/QUOTE]

Well this just isn’t true. At all


Also the Philly show was packed. Like always. There was a line outside to even get in at noon yesterday.

Made a big vintage trade. My friends sold some modern stuff to dealers for fair prices, bought some modern at fair prices.

Yes there are people with bad prices. Yes there are people with knock of pelicans cases trying to sell stuff…but if you are going to these shows and don’t have a good time, find a deal or a card you like or two…it’s on you.

[QUOTE=anusinha;18574991]i always like scanning these pictures and try to find either a woman or a non white guy[/QUOTE]

This is a weird comment too.

Do you guys actually go to shows or just comment about stuff on the internet?

[QUOTE=notfast;18575343]…but if you are going to these shows and don’t have a good time, find a deal or a card you like or two…it’s on you.[/QUOTE]


Spot on. Dudes on Twitter complaining about entrance fee and chaotic autograph line experiences. This was the second best show I went to behind the national this year.

[QUOTE=notfast;18575343]Well this just isn’t true. At all
[/QUOTE]

I didn't mean there couldn't have been any women attending by themselves. It must have been rare however.

[QUOTE=premium1981;18575339]I don't see why people make this out to be more than it is. There are interests and hobbys for some people that just do not interest others. Big deal. Every been to a bridal show? They are big, and I don't think you are going to see any random dudes there.[/QUOTE]

Bridal shows seriously? How do those two types of events even compare?

The video game industry has been far less welcoming to women than the card industry yet I've seen plenty of women at E3 not tagging along with a guy or attending for work.

When half the population has virtually no interest in a hobby, it's not something that should be dismissed as par for the course.

[QUOTE=Pacmeyer;18575366]
Bridal shows seriously? How do those two types of events even compare?

The video game industry has been far less welcoming to women than the card industry yet I've seen plenty of women at E3 not tagging along with a guy or attending for work.

When half the population has virtually no interest in a hobby, it's not something that should be dismissed as par for the course.[/QUOTE]

Not something that should be dismissed? Should women start protesting because they do not come to shows that are open to the public that they have no interest in from the start? I know our society enjoys stirring things up these days, but this is just stupid. How many women do you know that have been refused into show events? I'm sure there are venues where you can put on your armor and become their white knight, but this is equivalent to the blind guy in Robin Hood Men In Tights fighting the tree with his sword. He doesn't realize what he is doing and how stupid his actions really are. But he is trying hard regardless. A for effort maybe? I'll find a random women's activist social media page and link them to your efforts. I'm sure it is appreciated.

[QUOTE=premium1981;18575375]Not something that should be dismissed? Should women start protesting because they do not come to shows that are open to the public that they have no interest in from the start? I know our society enjoys stirring things up these days, but this is just stupid. How many women do you know that have been refused into show events? I'm sure there are venues where you can put on your armor and become their white knight, but this is equivalent to the blind guy in Robin Hood Men In Tights fighting the tree with his sword. He doesn't realize what he is doing and how stupid his actions really are. But he is trying hard regardless. A for effort maybe? I'll find a random women's activist social media page and link them to your efforts. I'm sure it is appreciated.[/QUOTE]

LMAO not at all what I was getting at but have at it :doh:

You obviously have some very dyed in the wool attitudes about the hobby, like any woman that shows up at a card event is the equivalent of some rando that stumbled into a bridal show :popcorn:

[QUOTE=Pacmeyer;18575388]LMAO not at all what I was getting at but have at it :doh:

You obviously have some very dyed in the wool attitudes about the hobby, like any woman that shows up at a card event is the equivalent of some rando that stumbled into a bridal show :popcorn:[/QUOTE]

If you are unable to see the comparison, that is on you. Comes down to this: There are events that only attract certain groups of people that have a shared interest. Period. You don't have to manifest some sort of problem out of thin air because every single group of person is not represented there. Everything doesn't have to be a problem. Some things are just what they are. This is a hobby that has mostly men, and very few women. That will never change. It has nothing to do with anything other than women are not interested.

[QUOTE=abbeyroadwalker;18574715]I saw a PSA 10 Trout Rookie today at a show in Asheville, NC - the guy said he wanted $4,800.[/QUOTE]

Good thing you didn't call anyone and talk about this. There might be doubts
if this was true or not. :D

[QUOTE=Pacmeyer;18575366]I didn't mean there couldn't have been any women attending by themselves. It must have been rare however.



Bridal shows seriously? How do those two types of events even compare?

The video game industry has been far less welcoming to women than the card industry yet I've seen plenty of women at E3 not tagging along with a guy or attending for work.

When half the population has virtually no interest in a hobby, it's not something that should be dismissed as par for the course.[/QUOTE]

But it is par for the course. In the 90's when every boy had cards, there were no girls at school with cards. They weren't interested. Still aren't.

Video games are very different. As someone who works in a middle school (6th-8th) I can tell you we have a ton of female gamers. I don't know a single female student who collects cards though. So no, I wouldn't be surprised to see females at gaming shows because I know so many of them who play regularly and would love to go.

Let’s get back to dealers and their prices…

Went to my LCS and spent a couple thousand to get a couple hundred worth of cards. So that part of the hobby is still the same.

[QUOTE=premium1981;18575399]If you are unable to see the comparison, that is on you. Comes down to this: There are events that only attract certain groups of people that have a shared interest. Period. You don't have to manifest some sort of problem out of thin air because every single group of person is not represented there. Everything doesn't have to be a problem. Some things are just what they are. This is a hobby that has mostly men, and very few women. That will never change. It has nothing to do with anything other than women are not interested.[/QUOTE]

Part of it is that guys can influence other guys to hand over money for slips of cardboard with pictures of other guys on them.

Women see through that influence nonsense and see it plainly for the game it truly is - just another ridiculous instance of guys trying to make a buck :coffee:

[QUOTE=MoreToppsPlease;18575601]Part of it is that guys can influence other guys to hand over money for slips of cardboard with pictures of other guys on them.

Women see through that influence nonsense and see it plainly for the game it truly is - just another ridiculous instance of guys trying to make a buck :coffee:[/QUOTE]

you cant be THIS dumb! lol

well played

When is reality going to set in for people wanting spring 2021 prices?

We had a show yesterday in the Florida panhandle. My first actual show attended in my 3 plus years back in the hobby. Lots of modern and vintage, as well as Pokémon and comics and whatnot.

Crowd was decent, but I did notice a lot of overpriced stuff. Lots of people paid a lot of money for stuff that is now worth a good bit less.

It was nice seeing all the kids excited about the hobby. It bodes well for our future. Several into vintage as well.

Are shows the only place that bases pricing off of "book"? Beckett? Who uses that anymore?

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;18575619][B]you cant be THIS dumb![/B] lol

well played[/QUOTE]

He or She is!

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Follower sent me this from the Philly show just now. Someone was escorted out. That’s a line for a Sunday just a few hours before closing.

Hobby is dead

There’s no question participation is incredibly strong. The money entering the hobby is relatively weak compared to what we have experienced the last three years.

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[QUOTE=premium1981;18575399]If you are unable to see the comparison, that is on you. Comes down to this: There are events that only attract certain groups of people that have a shared interest. Period. You don't have to manifest some sort of problem out of thin air because every single group of person is not represented there. Everything doesn't have to be a problem. Some things are just what they are. This is a hobby that has mostly men, and very few women. That will never change. It has nothing to do with anything other than women are not interested.[/QUOTE]

[I]protesting[/I]? [I]stirring things up[/I]? [I]women's activist social media[/I]? and now manifesting some sort of problem over representation? Maybe stop reading so much into my location and using it as an excuse to put words in my mouth.

No surprise you post things that are completely off base. Your predictions about SW sapphire were just as ridiculous.
:cry:

The recession is going to hit a lot people hard very soon. As sad as that is, I’m hoping we see a return to pre-Covid box prices. Even my LCS is tired of prices coming from his distributors.

[QUOTE=JoeAdam;18575450]Went to my LCS and spent a couple thousand to get a couple hundred worth of cards. So that part of the hobby is still the same.[/QUOTE]

Speaking personally, I usually buy a box or two for myself around the holidays. Not this year. The odds are too long and my PC cards just aren't that expensive to buy as singles.

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Follower sent me this from the Philly show just now. Someone was escorted out. That’s a line for a Sunday just a few hours before closing.

Hobby is dead[/QUOTE]

The hobby has died.

What to do now?

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What a lame show.

[QUOTE=eastbayak;18576183]What a lame show.[/QUOTE]I agree...it was not really being enforced, as it is impossible.

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Syracuse show has always been a dump

[QUOTE=theshowandme;18576215]Syracuse show has always been a dump[/QUOTE]

It is, funny thing is some dealers don’t know they have 100 dollar cards for 10 bucks.

[QUOTE=gmoney328;18575707]We had a show yesterday in the Florida panhandle. My first actual show attended in my 3 plus years back in the hobby. Lots of modern and vintage, as well as Pokémon and comics and whatnot.

Crowd was decent, but I did notice a lot of overpriced stuff. Lots of people paid a lot of money for stuff that is now worth a good bit less.

It was nice seeing all the kids excited about the hobby. It bodes well for our future. Several into vintage as well.

[B]Are shows the only place that bases pricing off of "book"? Beckett? Who uses that anymore[/B]?[/QUOTE]

shockingly, ALOT of vintage dealers in the chicago area at shows use beckett/book pricing.

you see stickers ALL THE TIME, "books $100, my price $50"
(book = approximate 6 or 7 grade equivalent)

so in alot of cases, their prices are discounted from "book value" due to
[B]condition.[/B]

i just had this exact discussion last week with a large vintage dealer at the
orland park (chicago) show last weekend.

i'm like, look "vcp" is the "bible". card, by company, by grade, updated
daily, that is [B]THE DEFINITION[/B] of market price (average).

he tried to tell be b/c beckett had a '61 willie mays all-star doubling in
price in the last 12 months, it had in fact doubled in price.

at which point i took him through vcp to show him that was, in fact, not true.

old timers swear by it. but they also sell mostly raw, too.

does absolutely represent buying opportunities , though.

[QUOTE=vintg;18576479]

i'm like, look "vcp" is the "bible". card, by company, by grade, updated
daily, that is [B]THE DEFINITION[/B] of market price (average).[/QUOTE]

Beckett sucks but VCP isn’t the “bible” for vintage either. Maybe certain cards but I’ve never used it buying any of the Cobb’s that I’ve bought and sold.