Please help settle a bet. What's worse:

Throwing 5 interceptions and still winning?

Or completing 9 of 30 passes and losing by 3 points? With half of those incompletions coming on 3rd down.

[QUOTE=jplarson;19709949]Please help settle a bet. What's worse:

Throwing 5 interceptions and still winning?

Or completing 9 of 30 passes and losing by 3 points? With half of those incompletions coming on 3rd down.[/QUOTE]

I mean I think losing is always gonna be worse, right?

One game by any one player doesn't matter. An MVP is "allowed" to have a bad game, that goes for Allen, Goff, or Jackson. Lamar just had a bad game on Sunday (under 50% completion percentage, 66 QB Rating) but after 17 games no one will be looking at the game logs.

To be MVP you pretty much have to be a QB, and have to play on a team that won the division/with 12+ wins. If the Ravens end 10-7 and Steelers win the division, Lamar would have an extreme uphill battle. Mahomes is 'hanging in' the odds even with his current stats because he'll check those two boxes. And he's popular but if he had the same stats with the Chiefs 3-7 he wouldn't be at those odds. The 'human factor' will be games like Bills/Chiefs, Bills/Lions, and the next Ravens/Steelers as putting on a big performance in big games will always help too. I think Allen and Goff are still the favorites at the moment but if the Ravens win the division and Jackson keeps his stats the same he'll win again.

[QUOTE=jplarson;19709949]Please help settle a bet. What's worse:

Throwing 5 interceptions and still winning?

Or completing 9 of 30 passes and losing by 3 points? With half of those incompletions coming on 3rd down.[/QUOTE]

Josh Allen
18 TD
5 INT
4th in QBR
Top 2 WR Amari Cooper, Khalil Shakir
TE1 Dalton Kincaid
Top 2 RB James Cook, Ray Davis

Jared Goff
20 TD
9 INT
14th in QBR
Top 2 WR Amon Ra, Jameson Williams
TE1 Sam Laporta
Top 2 RB Jahmyr Gibbs, Montgomery

Allen have better stats while having worse suporting cast on all of the skill position. You tell me which skill position Bills is ahead on. And I dont even mention Defense which Lions is also ahead on

[QUOTE=Joshi City;19710044]One game by any one player doesn't matter. An MVP is "allowed" to have a bad game, that goes for Allen, Goff, or Jackson. Lamar just had a bad game on Sunday (under 50% completion percentage, 66 QB Rating) but after 17 games no one will be looking at the game logs.

To be MVP you pretty much have to be a QB, and have to play on a team that won the division/with 12+ wins. If the Ravens end 10-7 and Steelers win the division, Lamar would have an extreme uphill battle. Mahomes is 'hanging in' the odds even with his current stats because he'll check those two boxes. And he's popular but if he had the same stats with the Chiefs 3-7 he wouldn't be at those odds. The 'human factor' will be games like Bills/Chiefs, Bills/Lions, and the next Ravens/Steelers as putting on a big performance in big games will always help too. I think Allen and Goff are still the favorites at the moment but if the Ravens win the division and Jackson keeps his stats the same he'll win again.[/QUOTE]

MVP means MVP, Most valuable player. Which player is more instrumental to their team wins? Allen or Goff? I'd still say Allen is the frontrunner along with Lamar with that stats and it shows from the betting odds

[QUOTE=Delta5;19710470]Josh Allen
18 TD
5 INT
4th in QBR
Top 2 WR Amari Cooper, Khalil Shakir
TE1 Dalton Kincaid
Top 2 RB James Cook, Ray Davis

Jared Goff
20 TD
9 INT
14th in QBR
Top 2 WR Amon Ra, Jameson Williams
TE1 Sam Laporta
Top 2 RB Jahmyr Gibbs, Montgomery

Allen have better stats while having worse suporting cast on all of the skill position. You tell me which skill position Bills is ahead on. And I dont even mention Defense which Lions is also ahead on[/QUOTE]

Syntax is breaking down.

JGoffs still think he’s the MVP.:cry::cry:

[QUOTE=Boo;19713987]JGoffs still think he’s the MVP.:cry::cry:[/QUOTE]

Never is, never was, never will be. People betting on him are just donating lol

[QUOTE=foleylion08;19709966]I mean I think losing is always gonna be worse, right?[/QUOTE]

Exactly right.

It is funny ddeltas thinks I'm backing Goff. He's done well for the Lions no doubt but it's pretty clear I've been in Jackson's corner.

[QUOTE=jplarson;19714037]Exactly right.

It is funny ddeltas thinks I'm backing Goff. He's done well for the Lions no doubt but it's pretty clear I've been in Jackson's corner.[/QUOTE]

No, I dont assume you're backing Goff, I'm just saying even though winning is better, stats do matter and Goff is just pedestrian this season, held up by his amazing supporting cast

One pretty huge change this week -

Allen +150
Lamar +275
[B]Saquon +500[/B]
Goff +650
Mahomes +1200
Herbert +2000
Hurts +2500
Burrow +3000

Could definitely change depending on Lamar tonight but nice to see Saquon get some love.

[QUOTE=Onepocketj;19715011]One pretty huge change this week -

Allen +150
Lamar +275
[B]Saquon +500[/B]
Goff +650
Mahomes +1200
Herbert +2000
Hurts +2500
Burrow +3000

Could definitely change depending on Lamar tonight but nice to see Saquon get some love.[/QUOTE]

Always nice to see any other position other than qb get some love.

[QUOTE=Onepocketj;19715011]One pretty huge change this week -

Allen +150
Lamar +275
[B]Saquon +500[/B]
Goff +650
Mahomes +1200
Herbert +2000
Hurts +2500
Burrow +3000

Could definitely change depending on Lamar tonight but nice to see Saquon get some love.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Siberian13;19715027]Always nice to see any other position other than qb get some love.[/QUOTE]

Barkley is currently on pace to break the regular season rushing record as well as the yard from scrimmage record.

Even though it's 1 more game than Dickerson/Chris Johnson, I have to imagine those marks and a 1st place finish in the NFC East would give him a good case.

On the other hand, anything less and he probably missed out.

Barkley is having a great season
Barkley had a monster game last night
Barkey's numbers are inflated due to garbage time which still count, but will average lower as the season progresses.
All can be true.

Sadly I think records falling in week 17 are less likely for contenders who have their playoff ticket punched and cannot improve their seeding or gain home field advantage. We've already seen teams sitting their starters and it won't get any better.

[QUOTE=jacksonjj;19715051]Barkley is having a great season
Barkley had a monster game last night
Barkey's numbers are inflated due to garbage time which still count, but will average lower as the season progresses.
All can be true.[/QUOTE]

He's also doing it in prime time and being flashy while doing it. How many times did his spin and reverse jump get replayed? It all plays into the narrative and if no QB really distances himself, he could have a decent shot.

[QUOTE=Onepocketj;19715131]He's also doing it in prime time and being flashy while doing it. How many times did his spin and reverse jump get replayed? It all plays into the narrative and if no QB really distances himself, he could have a decent shot.[/QUOTE]

He definitely has the highlights for sure. But he also has average game against Atlanta, average against TB, bad against Cleveland, average against Cincy, bad against Dallas and there's only been 11 games so far.

[QUOTE=jacksonjj;19715154]He definitely has the highlights for sure. But he also has average game against Atlanta, average against TB, bad against Cleveland, average against Cincy, bad against Dallas and there's only been 11 games so far.[/QUOTE]

Primacy and recency - most of those games were at the beginning of the season. His last six games he's averaged 152 yards rushing and that's not even including his receiving yards. If he keeps it up, he has a very good shot IMO.

Lets be real, MVP is QB award. Last time RB wins it is AP in 2012. If Cmc Cant get it last year, and Henry couldn't be faves esrly the season I dont see reason why Saquon should be in discussion

IF, and that's a big if, Saquon breaks the rushing record and the yards from scrimmage record and doesn't win it, they need to just change the name of the award to best QB. No QB this year is having a historic year in any sense of the word.

[QUOTE=Onepocketj;19715176]IF, and that's a big if, Saquon breaks the rushing record and the yards from scrimmage record and doesn't win it, they need to just change the name of the award to best QB. No QB this year is having a historic year in any sense of the word.[/QUOTE]

So does Lamar last year when CMC broke most consecutive game with TD. Look who was mvp

[QUOTE=Delta5;19715188]So does Lamar last year when CMC broke most consecutive game with TD. Look who was mvp[/QUOTE]


*tied the record

[QUOTE=foleylion08;19715287]*tied the record[/QUOTE]

Still you get the point. What record Lamar break last season? If anything his stats was one of the worst from any MVP. If they can't give it to RB that year, I don't see why they will this year

[QUOTE=Onepocketj;19715176]IF, and that's a big if, Saquon breaks the rushing record and the yards from scrimmage record and doesn't win it, they need to just change the name of the award to best QB. No QB this year is having a historic year in any sense of the word.[/QUOTE]


Agreed completely


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[QUOTE=Delta5;19715330]Still you get the point. What record Lamar break last season? If anything his stats was one of the worst from any MVP. If they can't give it to RB that year, I don't see why they will this year[/QUOTE]

Consecutive games with a TD is not remotely close to breaking the all time rushing record and all time yards from scrimmage record. :doh: