Rage, rage against the dying of your 15 minutes of light...

Someone did call him out on his own Facebook page..the tone of Jason's comments in reply turn from defensive to attacking/angry

That someone that called him out on his page would be me. I backed off in the end because I didn't think it would get anywhere at that point. He said he would let everyone know what happens with it, so we will find out here eventually as to where he submitted it, how he tries to sell it, etc...

It's fair to do that though..he's just turning a blind eye to the remote possibility he could be wrong.

Based upon the fact (well according to him) that he sent it to be graded, I don't think we have any reason to believe he is trying to swindle anyone. He has money on this and he is banking that it is going to be real. I'm sure he wants this to be real so bad, it hurts. I know it would for me! I couldn't imagine having the possibility of finding something that is worth a half a million. Would be awesome and nerve racking - I worry for him though if it does come back as fake. Could you imagine thinking you have a half a mill sitting there only to find out you ended up just losing hundreds of dollars instead?

[QUOTE=mouschi;8013313]Based upon the fact (well according to him) that he sent it to be graded, I don't think we have any reason to believe he is trying to swindle anyone. He has money on this and he is banking that it is going to be real. I'm sure he wants this to be real so bad, it hurts. I know it would for me! I couldn't imagine having the possibility of finding something that is worth a half a million. Would be awesome and nerve racking - I worry for him though if it does come back as fake. Could you imagine thinking you have a half a mill sitting there only to find out you ended up just losing hundreds of dollars instead?[/QUOTE]

As Wayne Gretzky once said "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take"

[QUOTE=mouschi;8013313]Based upon the fact (well according to him) that he sent it to be graded, I don't think we have any reason to believe he is trying to swindle anyone. He has money on this and he is banking that it is going to be real. I'm sure he wants this to be real so bad, it hurts. I know it would for me! I couldn't imagine having the possibility of finding something that is worth a half a million. Would be awesome and nerve racking - I worry for him though if it does come back as fake. Could you imagine thinking you have a half a mill sitting there only to find out you ended up just losing hundreds of dollars instead?[/QUOTE]

This is exactly what he wants people to think. "poor, hard working guy just could not catch a break" Yeah right, he is a scam artist.

Exactly. Bet he asks for donations or something. Hard working guy? In the news video he said he lost his job because of back surgeries, but in another news interview he says he works in a warehouse. He is a fraud and a liar. The results were supposed to be back on the 19th. I still can't get his fb page. Maybe he blocked me lol.

While I definitely know that this can be the case, I sure as heck hope he is legit. I guess I can't really wrap my head around how someone could go through all this trouble to scam someone else. I know it does happen, and why (monetary gain) but how on earth could you live with yourself?

Someone whom I have known for years, and still distantly know, has been cheating on their spouse. They got cancer, and apparently it brought them closer. This person is now healed, but unfortunately, after everything has come out, it sounds as though that there is a chance that this person may never have had cancer in the first place. It may have been a huge, massive elaborate story.

While I love making up stories to give you all a good laugh, I simply cannot fathom coming up with something and truly leading people on to believe something not truthful ... and then gaining from it monetarily! It is just sickening.

I'm not trying to say that my faith in humanity rests on the outcome of this whole thing, because I've dealt with plenty of thieves and liars in the past. I'd just have to say that I would be extremely disappointed if it came out as him being a thief and a liar. The man has a family - how could you put all that at risk?!?!

[QUOTE=mouschi;8013313]Based upon the fact (well according to him) that he sent it to be graded, I don't think we have any reason to believe he is trying to swindle anyone. He has money on this and he is banking that it is going to be real. I'm sure he wants this to be real so bad, it hurts. I know it would for me! I couldn't imagine having the possibility of finding something that is worth a half a million. Would be awesome and nerve racking - I worry for him though if it does come back as fake. Could you imagine thinking you have a half a mill sitting there only to find out you ended up just losing hundreds of dollars instead?[/QUOTE]

Lets look at the amount of untrue stories thus far. And weigh them against the true ones.

BS / untrue
* He lost his job. But is filmed by another news crew at one.
* He did 300 hours of research which turned into 100 then he became a grader seemingly overnight.
* He bought it last second off of a real old guy. He also tried to burn him by offering $200 to end it early.
* He bought it a month ago, which became days.
* Several experts looked at it and deemed it authentic. When in fact these experts are a pawn shop and a lithograph guy.
* He was offered 50,000 via craigslist for the card . We both know thats either untrue or a scam.
* He removed the listing due to the amount of calls he got (still listed).


Truth.

* He bought a Lou Gehrig reprint card and tried to pass it off as authentic.
* He was told by several hundred collectors at this point its fake. And he still threw his money away supposedly .

[QUOTE=mouschi;8013313]Based upon the fact (well according to him) that he sent it to be graded, I don't think we have any reason to believe he is trying to swindle anyone. He has money on this and he is banking that it is going to be real. I'm sure he wants this to be real so bad, it hurts. I know it would for me! I couldn't imagine having the possibility of finding something that is worth a half a million. Would be awesome and nerve racking - I worry for him though if it does come back as fake. Could you imagine thinking you have a half a mill sitting there only to find out you ended up just losing hundreds of dollars instead?[/QUOTE]

No, he knows it is fake. There is an end-game to all of this...ask for donations when he finds out that he was scammed. This guy is all about free handouts...cupcake generation at it's finest.

[QUOTE=mouschi;8013440]I'm not trying to say that my faith in humanity rests on the outcome of this whole thing, because I've dealt with plenty of thieves and liars in the past. I'd just have to say that I would be extremely disappointed if it came out as him being a thief and a liar. The man has a family - how could you put all that at risk?!?![/QUOTE]

Simple, its not at risk. Either he has them fooled as well (likely) or they are behind him 100%. He knows it is authentic and he won't allow himself to be wrong. When it comes back from SGC as fake, he will denounce them as incorrect as well and claim to send it off to PSA (or as someone else mentioned authenticate via 'PGC') and we won't hear anything about it or eventually everyone who is right will get bored with him and go away.

Fast forward a bit after the story dies down and he WILL sell it to someone for more (possibly MUCH MUCH more) than he bought it for and since "he knows it is authentic", there isn't anything ethically wrong with what he is doing (at least not in his mind). He is the one being held down by "the man".

I think kinar is correct.

[QUOTE=kinar;8014327]Simple, its not at risk. Either he has them fooled as well (likely) or they are behind him 100%. He knows it is authentic and he won't allow himself to be wrong. When it comes back from SGC as fake, he will denounce them as incorrect as well and claim to send it off to PSA (or as someone else mentioned authenticate via 'PGC') and we won't hear anything about it or eventually everyone who is right will get bored with him and go away.

Fast forward a bit after the story dies down and he WILL sell it to someone for more (possibly MUCH MUCH more) than he bought it for and since "he knows it is authentic", there isn't anything ethically wrong with what he is doing (at least not in his mind). He is the one being held down by "the man".[/QUOTE]

Yup. He will say something to the effect of SGC wouldn't tell him what tests are done on the card therefore they are crooks like everyone else.

This is the Mother of all Threads.
Incredible!

@kinar and @tonedef2008 - great insight. It is good to have that in this thread in case this happens as well.

lol I have one for sale for 125...super steal

[I]Jason Mars I understand your skepticism... I did loose my job to back issues and surgery....I did say I was out of work but lost my job because of it and yes it is being graded as we speak by one of top graders....I am not a con man I am a dovot christian and the Gehrig was a take a chance card that I didn't have anyone look at.....I have had 4 of 5 experts look at Wagner and because of card stock old printing there reccomendation was sughenic and the 5 the one didn't know...trust It would be one eBay if I was trying to pass it off...this is not a card that gets authenticated or graded in an hour it takes time...trust me I want an snser now but they can give me one right now....Ihonestly ewould have been skeptical to by photos but if seen card....its not modern printing print card expert verified...card stock is vintage.....there is a lot to this card...as soon as results come back I will surely let everyone know and by no means am I trying to pawn it off[/I]

Here's one of his facebook replies to dr_mccarthy. I had to backtrack a few times to get through it all.

Ohh....he's a dovot Christian......we should probably go back and delete all our posts.

Yup he musta blocked me. I called him out on the news feed and caught him in lie after lie after lie. They deleted all my posts and now I can't even find him with the fb search. Glad i copied those lies and posted them here before they were deleted.

These posts contradict...

Doh!

I believe we will never actually see an answer about the authenticity of this card. The guy either goes silent and hopes everyone just forgets and leaves him alone or he tells everyone he sold it w/o it being authenticated.

I have little to add to what has become a legendary thread. I only have two things to contribute: 1. I find it amazing that there is any controversy on this at all. Just because some moron wants to spend $177 on a card that 'feels amazing' and then more money to send it to a grading company in hopes that another person was also a moron who would sell a real Wagner for $177 doesn't make it 'possibly real'. 2. I also find it ironic that we're talking about the same card that was famously graded by PSA as a mint version of the card despite it being altered. This industry, like most, is full of theives, liars, and scam artists.

3. God Bless you too, Deathy.

Shoot, that's 3, now I'm a liar too!

I just read part of the latest drama on this on facebook, and I don't like where this is turning. He is trying to differentiate between a reprint and a counterfeit. This, to me, smells of a loose canon posturing to lay down some sort of a lawsuit. :( I sure hope I am wrong here. Really, I hope that this is not what he is trying to do. If it is one thing I cannot stand is someone being a coward and using the legal system to get something for nothing at the expense of someone else.

[QUOTE=mouschi;8017333]I just read part of the latest drama on this on facebook, and I don't like where this is turning. He is trying to differentiate between a reprint and a counterfeit. This, to me, smells of a loose canon posturing to lay down some sort of a lawsuit. :( I sure hope I am wrong here. Really, I hope that this is not what he is trying to do. If it is one thing I cannot stand is someone being a coward and using the legal system to get something for nothing at the expense of someone else.[/QUOTE]

All he can get is his $177 back. If he wants a $500K card, he'll have to pay a bit closer to $500K.