RIP, "SP" Panini "hits"

[QUOTE=punctilious;18224733]I recently acquired the only 2015 Kobe Bryant Futura PSA 10 this past week and have literally been salivating ever since just waiting for it to show up in the mail. I figured this was going to be the closest I’d get to his Galactic for a reasonable price. I was wrong.
Yesterday while thumbing through a list of active auctions on Goldin I stumbled upon one that was up for sale and took a shot. I honestly didn’t think I’d have a chance and certainly not at the price I got it for.

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Funded this with a recent sale on goldin of a hoops art dual auto of Kobe and Ja, hated to let it go but made a killing considering I only held it for 6 months. I already regret letting that card go but who knows, maybe it’ll find its way back to me somewhere down the road, a guy can dream.


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Amazing pick up! Congrats!

Incredible pick-up. I've watched every galactic auction for four years and had no idea that this was up (or I would have grabbed a second copy at a much higher price). We need to do something about market fragmentation. It's impossible to keep track of all of the different auction houses on a regular basis.

Thanks man. It can be tough to keep up. We need an equivalent to RSS that scrapes the internet of all major auction sites and brings it all together in one place. Sounds like a great business opportunity. If something like this exists already I’d love to know about it. In the meantime, there are some of us who will take advantage of market inefficiencies but it’s a lot of work.

Looking forward to holding this card in hand and compare to the Futura I just received in the mail that I bought the week prior.
May as well go for the rainbow.

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[QUOTE=bberns;18228252]Incredible pick-up. I've watched every galactic auction for four years and had no idea that this was up (or I would have grabbed a second copy at a much higher price). We need to do something about market fragmentation. It's impossible to keep track of all of the different auction houses on a regular basis.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I kinda gave up. I keep track of eBay and occasionally PWCC. I saw a 15-16 Curry Showstoppers Galactic sold on Goldin after seeing that the Kobe posted above sold on there. Had no idea or else I would’ve taken a shot at it. Then there’s COMC, BO listings, IG, Facebook, and probably a handful of others I’m not even aware of.

[QUOTE=punctilious;18228387]Thanks man. It can be tough to keep up. We need an equivalent to RSS that scrapes the internet of all major auction sites and brings it all together in one place. Sounds like a great business opportunity. If something like this exists already I’d love to know about it. In the meantime, there are some of us who will take advantage of market inefficiencies but it’s a lot of work.

Looking forward to holding this card in hand and compare to the Futura I just received in the mail that I bought the week prior.
May as well go for the rainbow.

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This is awesome. I love the contrast in Galactics and Futuras. The different designs and the different colored holofoil. Makes for a really nice pairing.

#overrated

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[QUOTE=ninjabum87;18233493]#overrated

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That Brady Ring Bearers Galactic is my favorite Brady card, and your picture does a great job highlighting how nice it looks. It's his first SSP galactic and I'd love to get another one if I get the chance.

To bring this back to basketball, the Brady has inspired me to try to pickup some early basketball galactics. Awesome Giannis!

[QUOTE=ninjabum87;18233493]#overrated

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Broooooo where you been.

[QUOTE=ballhawkdawk;18233631]Broooooo where you been.[/QUOTE]

Sup mang? Been lurking mostly. I lost a lot of motivation selling most of my stuff to fund a new roof and driveway before Covid so I've just been pickin up stuff here and there and following threads.

[QUOTE=zolt1313;18233624]That Brady Ring Bearers Galactic is my favorite Brady card, and your picture does a great job highlighting how nice it looks. It's his first SSP galactic and I'd love to get another one if I get the chance.

To bring this back to basketball, the Brady has inspired me to try to pickup some early basketball galactics. Awesome Giannis![/QUOTE]

They are fun cards for sure. Looking at anything in particular?

From page 6, Lebron 2015 Galactic sold for 75K in Nov 2021 and a Lebron 2003 BC Gold Refractor BGS 9.5 (min gem mint sold) for 268K in Dec 2021 at PWCC. Fast forward to 2024, a Lebron 2003 Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor BGS 9.5 (min gem mint) sold for 47K recently at Goldin. Which one would you buy now for five figures? Lebron 2015 Galactic with an estimated PR of 10 or Lebron 2003 BC Gold Refractor/50 or neither.

Galactics are completely awesome!

[QUOTE=pcptrade;19315857]From page 6, Lebron 2015 Galactic sold for 75K in Nov 2021 and a Lebron 2003 BC Gold Refractor BGS 9.5 (min gem mint sold) for 268K in Dec 2021 at PWCC. Fast forward to 2024, a Lebron 2003 Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor BGS 9.5 (min gem mint) sold for 47K recently at Goldin. Which one would you buy now for five figures? Lebron 2015 Galactic with an estimated PR of 10 or Lebron 2003 BC Gold Refractor/50 or neither.[/QUOTE]

This is one of those tricky ones. At first through I'd say the BC Gold, easy. But then I think that the Galactic PSA 10 is Pop 1, and the BC Gold is Pop 11 in PSA 10, and 25 in BGS 9.5, plus 3 BGS 10s.

Sounds crazy, but I'd rather have the nicest Galactic ever than a BC Gold with 30+ copies in as good as or better condition.

I don't like how panini didn't mark galactics the first year of revolution - imo kind of hurts them

[QUOTE=tjforce;19316213]This is one of those tricky ones. At first through I'd say the BC Gold, easy. But then I think that the Galactic PSA 10 is Pop 1, and the BC Gold is Pop 11 in PSA 10, and 25 in BGS 9.5, plus 3 BGS 10s.

Sounds crazy, but I'd rather have the nicest Galactic ever than a BC Gold with 30+ copies in as good as or better condition.[/QUOTE]

One is a serial numbered rookie gold refractor and the other one is a non-serial numbered SP insert. Add in other first year poopini's SP inserts such as Color blast, Kaboom, Downtown, Marvels, etc. Twenty years from now, who knows which one will be sought after. Only time will tell:)

Kaboom and Downtown have huge print runs as the pop reports show. Color blast prolly the only one similar to 2015 galactic in terms of numbers.

I should have been more specific. I was referring to Kaboom Golds/10 and Green 1/1, which are being hyped up at IG lately.

[QUOTE=pcptrade;19315857]From page 6, Lebron 2015 Galactic sold for 75K in Nov 2021 and a Lebron 2003 BC Gold Refractor BGS 9.5 (min gem mint sold) for 268K in Dec 2021 at PWCC. Fast forward to 2024, a Lebron 2003 Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor BGS 9.5 (min gem mint) sold for 47K recently at Goldin. Which one would you buy now for five figures? Lebron 2015 Galactic with an estimated PR of 10 or Lebron 2003 BC Gold Refractor/50 or neither.[/QUOTE]

I'm biased as RC collector, but BC Gold all day long vs. some random insert that may or may not be what it's seen as today in the future.

Again I'm 100% biased and have a more rare view of cards, as I don't care as much about inserts, but My view is, if the cards went to $zero or were the same exact price forever what would I rather have? It's the BC Gold RC easy imo.

[QUOTE=pcptrade;19315857]From page 6, Lebron 2015 Galactic sold for 75K in Nov 2021 and a Lebron 2003 BC Gold Refractor BGS 9.5 (min gem mint sold) for 268K in Dec 2021 at PWCC. Fast forward to 2024, a Lebron 2003 Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor BGS 9.5 (min gem mint) sold for 47K recently at Goldin. [B]Which one would you buy now for five figures?[/B] Lebron 2015 Galactic with an estimated PR of 10 or Lebron 2003 BC Gold Refractor/50 or neither.[/QUOTE]

$10000-$99999.99 is a wide range.

It's either 03-04 BC Gold Refractor /50 or nothing, and that decision is dependent on price.

[QUOTE=Beavers98;19316870]I'm biased as RC collector, but BC Gold all day long vs. some random insert that may or may not be what it's seen as today in the future.

Again I'm 100% biased and have a more rare view of cards, as I don't care as much about inserts, but My view is, if the cards went to $zero or were the same exact price forever what would I rather have? It's the BC Gold RC easy imo.[/QUOTE]

You're not biased, you're just smart.

[QUOTE=pcptrade;19316310]One is a serial numbered rookie gold refractor and the other one is a non-serial numbered SP insert. [U]Add in other first year poopini's SP inserts such as Color blast, Kaboom, Downtown, Marvels, etc.[/U] Twenty years from now, who knows which one will be sought after. [B]Only time will tell:[/B])[/QUOTE]

That's the whole point.

Everything else you listed was an insert, this is a parallel. When it comes to Panini era parallels, you have your Prizm Golds, Black/Nebula 1 of 1s, then this is your next tier.

To compare it to the 90s, this isn't your PMG, this is your Credentials. So in the same condition, I'd take the BC Gold. But in this case, we're comparing a card with 30 copies in the same or better shape with the one and only PSA 10 copy.

Since the Bowman Chrome Gold isn't the Topps Chrome Gold, or the Finest Gold, or the Finest XRC Gold, as a collector I'd rather have the card that no other LeBron collector could have, and as an investor I'd rather have the card I could name my price on in the long run vs the one that could be running in the same auction as me, or be held down by the BIN currently sitting on eBay.

[QUOTE=Beavers98;19316870]I'm biased as RC collector, but BC Gold all day long vs. some random insert that may or may not be what it's seen as today in the future.

Again I'm 100% biased and have a more rare view of cards, as I don't care as much about inserts, but My view is, if the cards went to $zero or were the same exact price forever what would I rather have? It's the BC Gold RC easy imo.[/QUOTE]


2003 BC Gold here too. There are so many rare inserts and parallels. Each product has several gold variations serial numbered /10 and black variations serial numbered 1of1. Who knows which ones will stand the test of times. I much prefer the rookie gold card numbered out of /50.

[QUOTE=tjforce;19317516]That's the whole point.

Everything else you listed was an insert, this is a parallel. When it comes to Panini era parallels, you have your Prizm Golds, Black/Nebula 1 of 1s, then this is your next tier.

To compare it to the 90s, this isn't your PMG, this is your Credentials. So in the same condition, I'd take the BC Gold. But in this case, we're comparing a card with 30 copies in the same or better shape with the one and only PSA 10 copy.

Since the Bowman Chrome Gold isn't the Topps Chrome Gold, or the Finest Gold, or the Finest XRC Gold, as a collector I'd rather have the card that no other LeBron collector could have, and as an investor I'd rather have the card I could name my price on in the long run vs the one that could be running in the same auction as me, or be held down by the BIN currently sitting on eBay.[/QUOTE]

I hear you but the prices of non-RC inserts/parallels are tied to the prices of RC's. Lebron's Panini Gold Prizms and other inserts/parallels did not go up until his Exquisite RPA/99, TC/BC Gold Refractors/50, Ultimate Auto/250 prices skyrocketed. Speculators who could not afford these started speculating on second and later year rare cards. As I mentioned in my previous post, BC Gold Refractor min gem mint sold for 264K in Dec 2021 and a 2015 Galactic PSA 10 sold for 75K around the same time. The way I look at it is if I have to explain why a certain card is important or valuable to a collector or investor, then there is a problem. A new investor who is looking to invest five or six figures in a card is likely not going after a non-rookie year insert or parallel as his first card. I personally would go after the BC Gold Refractor RC/50 for mid-five-figures because it will still be easily recognizable by most collectors and investors in the future.

Disclosure: I do not own 2003 BC Gold Refractor and 2015 Revolution Galactic.

[QUOTE=pcptrade;19317954]I hear you but the prices of non-RC inserts/parallels are tied to the prices of RC's. Lebron's Panini Gold Prizms and other inserts/parallels did not go up until his Exquisite RPA/99, TC/BC Gold Refractors/50, Ultimate Auto/250 prices skyrocketed. Speculators who could not afford these started speculating on second and later year rare cards. As I mentioned in my previous post, BC Gold Refractor min gem mint sold for 264K in Dec 2021 and a 2015 Galactic PSA 10 sold for 75K around the same time. The way I look at it is if I have to explain why a certain card is important or valuable to a collector or investor, then there is a problem. A new investor who is looking to invest five or six figures in a card is likely not going after a non-rookie year insert or parallel as his first card. I personally would go after the BC Gold Refractor RC/50 for mid-five-figures because it will still be easily recognizable by most collectors and investors in the future.

Disclosure: I do not own 2003 BC Gold Refractor and 2015 Revolution Galactic.[/QUOTE]

It's interesting, because you and I both did very well in this card investing game, both with much different styles.

You stuck with the Blue Chips at relatively high valuations (compared to other cards at the time) , got in at the right time, sold of at the right time for huge profit.

My strategy was to look for the undervalued and actually hard to find cards while they were cheap, and split up between selling at peak and holding on to a few that still don't pop up. Just like you are telling me now, people told me that "Non rookie cards don't have value in Football", yet my 2012 Tom Brady Prizm Gold purchase or mid-5 figures seems like a good buy right now. Same with the second year Mahomes buy that I turned 75x on that people on Blowout told me wouldn't be a good investment.

Both our methods worked out for us well. I probably had a higher ROI %, but you got more of a nominal return for your foresight into buying the ultra high end, so we both have it right. But I look at threads like this, when everyone else tells me the other thing, and it makes me feel like 2019 again where there were opportunities to go against the grain and be right.