[QUOTE=dave2424;14506410]Help me understand the pricing difference.
It seems like the base over the past year has gone from 500 to now around 1000. Pop on that is about 4000 Psa 10

The diamond Psa 10 Pop is 246
The cognac Psa 10 Pop is 86
The Walmart Psa 10 is Pop 69
The Gold Psa 10 is Pop 48
The target red pop 10 is Pop 12.

How is it that now there is a doubling of the base price with almost a pop of 4000, and for the variations with not even a fraction available in Psa 10, there is not the same percentage of price increase.

Maybe someone can help but I believe prices ballpark for last year were not 50% less for the variations.[/QUOTE]

Give it some time. Trust me it will work itself out. Those variations will start taking off.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;14506053]great pickup![/QUOTE]

I wish I could claim that but no. FML.

[QUOTE=dave2424;14506501]Thanks and those are all good points, would there be no correlation if you compare his 09bc to the 11 Update. The price of the bc base auto compared to the parallels is a huge difference. They are both one of his best cards to own and yet his Update base is now approaching 1000 and a Gold Psa 10 just sold for 2900. There is a difference of about 3950 in the pop report.

For bc there is still a similar percentage to the update in the base to the parallels available in Psa 10. It is a smaller total pool. But the price difference between the variations is huge compared to the update[/QUOTE]

i recommend not being a slave to the Pop report

[QUOTE=SirTommyWinAlot;14506721]I have no clue. I wish I could say yeah it's legit and that i was the one who bought it but unfortunately no. I guess we'll have to wait and see if the oranges that are listed right now get sold at higher prices to really confirm the uptick in finest auto prices.

In my mind those finest are really really undervalued. I'm not saying it because I have one :) but those remind me of the tom brady contenders rookies and how they were kind of like step children to the spa brady rookies and then eventually they took over since they were the only auto rookies with Brady in a Pats uni. Those finest rookies are the only RC label Trout autos. Not only that but they are just great looking cards.[/QUOTE]



The 2011 Sterling auto is RC logo


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TU 10 sold for. $1150


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[QUOTE=jhileman79;14506756]The 2011 Sterling auto is RC logo


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My bad. But those are sticker autos. Finest is the only on card auto rookie.

Sold two Trouts today, bought another. Seems like every Trout card I list, it sells quick.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;14506173]Someone said this yesterday, but I think a lot of new hobby money is flowing into Trout. Can’t help but think his contract helped that happen.[/QUOTE]

It's the new age. Lebron and Tom Brady changed the modern sports card landscape and now Mike Trout. It has not gone unnoticed.

My worry is that we will enter another era of junk wax with more people spending money on the hobby.

[QUOTE=wharfrat7624;14506758]TU 10 sold for. $1150


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Bidding looks a little suspicious... 0 and 3 feedback pushing it from the $850-900 norm to $1150.

And I noticed the 3 feedback guy had bids on the Trout ending Sunday night.... hope he doesnt ruin it.

Both $999.00 Updates sold tonight

One said it sold for $950 but the other one didnt show a price... so either $950 or $999.

The one that ends Sunday night is currently at $910 with over 20 hours to go.... Guessing $950 might be the new price.

I thought for sure they'd fall back to $750-800 once we got away from the coupons and eBay bucks and get closer to Opening Day. I was wrong.

[QUOTE=Ferg1945;14506982]Bidding looks a little suspicious... 0 and 3 feedback pushing it from the $850-900 norm to $1150.



And I noticed the 3 feedback guy had bids on the Trout ending Sunday night.... hope he doesnt ruin it.[/QUOTE]



I noticed that...


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The guy who ran the price up to $900 a month or so ago has now accomplished his mission.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;14507102]The guy who ran the price up to $900 a month or so ago has now accomplished his mission.[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/breakout.asp[/url]

Trout Update teaches us about Wall Street :D

Now if we could only buy derivatives on the cards...

[QUOTE=monkeymcgee;14507104][url]https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/breakout.asp[/url]

Trout Update teaches us about Wall Street :D

Now if we could only buy derivatives on the cards...[/QUOTE]

For breakouts to sustain, we need huge volume. Otherwise it will be a failed breakout. The buyers group who scooped up the updates last month spent approximately 20K. Not sure if that is enough to cause a new uptrend. Lot of variables come into play here- supply, demand, buying on weakness etc. Whether it is a short term trend or a sustainable intermediate to Long term trend depends on if more buyers are willing to buy at these levels. Otherwise the prices will dip back to 900 level. It would have been nice to have price trends on cards similar to stocks where you can see bull flag formations (pole on high volume followed by a flag/consolidation) before a high volume breakout whose target will be equal to the length of the pole once the break out happens. I personally think stock market technical analysis (bull flag, double bottom, cup and handle, RSI, MACD, BB etc) cannot be used in sports cards because of the difference in daily trading volume. Individual sport card daily trading volume is so small compared to individual stock daily trading volume.

Option derivatives and future contracts are a totally different game. In stock market, most people lose money in options even if they get the direction of price movement correct because of the IV crush and time decay.

Not a chance. Hell, it is difficult enough to apply technical analysis in the market with securities that have millions of shares traded a day.

[QUOTE=pcptrade;14507110]For breakouts to sustain, we need huge volume. Otherwise it will be a failed breakout. The buyers group who scooped up the updates last month spent approximately 20K. Not sure if that is enough to cause a new uptrend. Lot of variables come into play here- supply, demand, buying on weakness etc. Whether it is a short term trend or a sustainable intermediate to Long term trend depends on if more buyers are willing to buy at these levels. Otherwise the prices will dip back to 900 level. It would have been nice to have price trends on cards similar to stocks where you can see bull flag formations (pole on high volume followed by a flag/consolidation) before a high volume breakout whose target will be equal to the length of the pole once the break out happens. I personally think stock market technical analysis (bull flag, double bottom, cup and handle, RSI, MACD, BB etc) cannot be used in sports cards because of the difference in daily trading volume. Individual sport card daily trading volume is so small compared to individual stock daily trading volume.[/QUOTE]


I don't disagree that you can't apply technicals to cards, but due to the common psychology involved I think the analogues in the markets are interesting. Sport card sellers and buyers are aware of many of these factors even if they don't know the names of what they're doing.

[QUOTE=monkeymcgee;14507119]I don't disagree that you can't apply technicals to cards, but due to the common psychology involved I think the analogues in the markets are interesting. Sport card sellers and buyers are aware of many of these factors even if they don't know the names of what they're doing.[/QUOTE]

Price manipulation happens both in sports cards and stock market. Stock market is regulated in some ways whereas sports card trading is not. Big money (Institutions) can drive the prices of individual stock especially if the company has a small market cap with number of outstanding shares less than 100 million. The same thing can be seen in sports cards trading where the price of cards with low print run or low numbered parallels can be manipulated to an extent compared to cards with high print run

I only really started getting back into this about 15 months ago. Can anyone tell me before the start of 2018, what was the frequency of eBay coupons and Bucks deals? It’s basically a weekly occurrence now, with the exception of the first three weeks of each quarter. I think that has played a significant role in the appreciation of US175. Of course, Trout’s play and the strength of the hobby has been a factor too.

I believe there will be an offer next week between Ebay bucks and coupons- the quarter is almost over.

Just my guess

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[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;14506747]i recommend not being a slave to the Pop report[/QUOTE]

Good point. Especially with this card.

It has to be approaching 86 Jordan like volumes of cracking out and crossing over

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;14507139]I only really started getting back into this about 15 months ago. Can anyone tell me before the start of 2018, what was the frequency of eBay coupons and Bucks deals? It’s basically a weekly occurrence now, with the exception of the first three weeks of each quarter. I think that has played a significant role in the appreciation of US175. Of course, Trout’s play and the strength of the hobby has been a factor too.[/QUOTE]

Yes, the coupons and ebay bucks also contributed to the rise in prices. I read somewhere that ebay upped the frequency of 8-10% bucks in 2018. Also, not every one gets the ebay bucks promo.

[B]Timing of the ebay bucks based on the 2018 data below[/B]-

[B]For Each Quarter[/B],

[U]First month of the quarter- 3rd week
Second month of the quarter- 1st week
Third month of the quarter- 1st week AND End of the month which also the end of the quarter
[/U]

[B]Not sure if past promos guarantee future ones
[/B]

I found this from a different site-

2018 eBay Site-Wide Sales
Jan 17-18 -- 6% eBay [B]Bucks[/B]
Jan 27-28 -- $10 off $50 via PayPal - while supplies last

Feb 05-06 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App, 8% online
Feb 05-06 -- 8% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App, 6% online
Feb 13-15 -- 8% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]for buyers and sellers
Feb 21-22 --10% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App, 8% online, $50 minimum spend
Feb 21-22 -- 8% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App, 6% online $25 minimum spend

Mar 03 -- $15 off $75 via App until 7:00pm PT (PONLYONAPP)
Mar 06-07 -- 8% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App, 6% online,$25 min spend
Mar 09 -- 20% off $25 8am-8pm PT (PSPRING20)
Mar 15-17 -- 8% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]for buyers and sellers
Mar 20 -- 15% off $25 9am-7pm PT (capped at $50) (PSPRINGTIME)
Mar 22-23 --15% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]$150 min spend
Mar 27 -- 15% off $25 1:00pm-8:00pm PT (capped at $50) (PREPSPRING)
Mar 28-29 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App, 8% online, $50 min spend
Mar 30 -- 15% off $50 via App 8am-11am PT (then noon) (PGETTHEAPP)

Apr 19-20 -- 8% eBay [B]Bucks[/B]
Apr 26 -- 15% off $50 via App 8am-1pm PT (PLAN2SAVE)

May 04 -- 15% off $50 8:00am-7:00pm (PMAY4TH)
May 05-06 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App, 8% online, $25 min spend
May 10-11 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks[/B], $50 min spend
May 15-17 -- 6% [B]eBayBucks[/B]
May 21-22 -- 8% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App, 6% online
May 27-30 -- $15 off $75 via App on Home & Garden, Sporting Goods, Baby, Pet Supplies, and Crafts (P15HOME)

Jun 02-03 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App, 8% online
Jun 06 -- 20% off $50 7am-7pm PT (PICKDADSGIFT)
Jun 12-14 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]for buyers and sellers
Jun 19-20 -- 6% eBay [B]Bucks[/B], $50 min spend; 8% eBay Bucks, $100 min spend
Jun 21 -- $15 off $75 7am-7pm PT (PSUPERSUMMER)
Jun 27-28 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App, 8% online
Jun 29 -- 15% off $25 (PERFECTDAY)

Jul 11 -- 15% off $25 (a day after a 10% off $25 on all Tech sale, so, lots of exclusions) 5:00am-11:00pm PT (PRIMOSALE)
Jul 17 -- $25 off $119 5am-11pm PT (PRIMO119)
Jul 19-21 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]for buyers and sellers
Jul 25 -- $10 off $10.01 via FaceBook

Aug 03-04 -- 8% eBay [B]Bucks[/B], $50 min spend
Aug 08 -- 15% off $25 until 10pm PT (PRONTO15)
Aug 10-11 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks[/B], $150 min spend
Aug 16-18 -- 8% eBay [B]Bucks[/B]
Aug 23-24 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App, 8% online, $25 min spend
Aug 28 -- 15% off $25 8:00am-10:00pm PT (PREGAME15)
Aug 29-30 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App, 8% online, $50 min spend
Aug 30-Sep 05 -- $10 off $50 with Paypal Checkout

Sep 04-05 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks[/B], $100 min spend
Sep 06-13 -- $20 off $100 non-PayPal purchases (MONEY20)
Sep 11-13 -- 8% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]for buyers and sellers
Sep 18-20 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App, 8% online
Sep 24-26 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks[/B], $25 min spend
Sep 27 -- 15% off $25 10:00am-6:00pm PT (PICKSOON​)
Sep 28-29 -- $5 off $5 for those who haven't purchased in 12 mos. (PERKMEUP)

Oct 04-10 -- $10 off $50 via PayPal invite
Oct 18-20 -- 8% eBay [B]Bucks[/B]
Oct 25-26 -- 10% off 8:00am-8:00am ET (PICKUPTEN)
Oct 31-Nov 01 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App, 8% online, $50 min spend
Oct 31-Nov 01 -- 8% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App & 6% online, $25 min spend

Nov 06-07 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks[/B], $150 min spend
Nov 13-15 -- 8% eBay [B]Bucks[/B]
Nov 19-20 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks[/B]
Nov 21 -- 15% off 8:00am-8:00pm ET (PICKFAST)
Nov 26 -- 10% off (max. $50) 3:00pm-7:00pm PT (numerous exclusions) (PCYBERDAY)
Nov 27-28 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App, 8% online, $25 min spend
Nov 29 -- 10% off Toys ($50 max) (PLAYDAY)

Dec 04-10 -- $20 off $50 via PayPal invite
Dec 05-06 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via App $50 min spend, 8% online, $25 min spend
Dec 10 -- 10% off Auto Parts, Tools, Accessories (PEDAL2METAL)
Dec 11-12 -- 25% off non-PayPal purchases (PAYWCARD)
Dec 11-20 -- $10 off $30 w/MC invite (MASTERCARD)
Dec 12-14 -- 8% eBay [B]Bucks[/B]
Dec 13 -- 15% off Toys & Games (PLAYTIME15)
Dec 14 -- 15% off Sporting Goods (PERFECTGAME)
Dec 15 -- 10% off Tech; 15% everything else (max. $75) (PICKUPSALE)
Dec 16 -- 15% Off Home & Garden Goods (PDECKTHEHALLS)
Dec 18-19 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks [/B]via app; 8% online, $50 min spend
Dec 26-27 -- 10% eBay [B]Bucks[/B]
Dec 28 -- 15% off 11am-7pm PT (POPUPSAVINGS)

Watch E:60 today.

[QUOTE=jjeanius;14507180]Watch E:60 today.[/QUOTE]

That made me want to buy some more Trout.

Too bad he doesn't get more publicity. Definitely relatable to the common man, not the instagram millennial gen.

[QUOTE=imbluestreak23;14507231]That made me want to buy some more Trout.

Too bad he doesn't get more publicity. Definitely relatable to the common man, not the instagram millennial gen.[/QUOTE]

IMO you could not ask for a better superstar role model. His character off the field is just as impressive as his performance on the field.

[QUOTE=pcptrade;14507110]For breakouts to sustain, we need huge volume. Otherwise it will be a failed breakout. The buyers group who scooped up the updates last month spent approximately 20K. Not sure if that is enough to cause a new uptrend. Lot of variables come into play here- supply, demand, buying on weakness etc. Whether it is a short term trend or a sustainable intermediate to Long term trend depends on if more buyers are willing to buy at these levels. Otherwise the prices will dip back to 900 level. It would have been nice to have price trends on cards similar to stocks where you can see bull flag formations (pole on high volume followed by a flag/consolidation) before a high volume breakout whose target will be equal to the length of the pole once the break out happens. I personally think stock market technical analysis (bull flag, double bottom, cup and handle, RSI, MACD, BB etc) cannot be used in sports cards because of the difference in daily trading volume. Individual sport card daily trading volume is so small compared to individual stock daily trading volume.

Option derivatives and future contracts are a totally different game. In stock market, most people lose money in options even if they get the direction of price movement correct because of the IV crush and time decay.[/QUOTE]

The bottom line is that if Trout starts off hot, these prices are sustainable. If not, the prices may dip a little bit which would be a good opportunity to buy.