[QUOTE=tjforce;19499377]There's no way that 6th isn't a foul on someone. You don't just let two guys collide and hit the groud like that in open play and let the game go on.

It was either a foul on Luka or a foul on Brown.... and Luka's feet weren't set.

Anyways, if you are complaining about the refs in a series where the Celtics have won by 18, 7, and 7 points and are clearly the better team, I don't know what else to say.[/QUOTE]

I'm confused.

I wasn't complaining about anything. All I said was that I don't remember ever seeing a star get called for 4 fouls in a quarter before... Let alone a Finals game. And I agreed that Luka's 6th was the correct call on him.

I also 100% agree with you that the Celtics are the better team between the 2.

Did you mean to quote someone else?

[QUOTE=rhigh2390;19499451]I'm confused.

I wasn't complaining about anything. All I said was that I don't remember ever seeing a star get called for 4 fouls in a quarter before... Let alone a Finals game. And I agreed that Luka's 6th was the correct call on him.

I also 100% agree with you that the Celtics are the better team between the 2.

Did you mean to quote someone else?[/QUOTE]

No, I was just agreeing with you.

#6 was a foul. You can't just ignore it because it gets a star knocked out of the game. Maybe if it's a physical play in the paint you can look the other other, but two guys hit the floor in the open court like that, a foul is getting called on someone.

As for the complaining about the refs, not directly towards you. The refs could be going out of their way to help the Mavs this series and they'd still be down 2-1 right now.

Dallas should have challenged Luka's 5th foul on Brown. That actually looked like Brown hooked him.

[QUOTE=tjforce;19499477]No, I was just agreeing with you.

#6 was a foul. You can't just ignore it because it gets a star knocked out of the game. Maybe if it's a physical play in the paint you can look the other other, but two guys hit the floor in the open court like that, a foul is getting called on someone.

As for the complaining about the refs, not directly towards you. The refs could be going out of their way to help the Mavs this series and they'd still be down 2-1 right now.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Celtics are the better team and it was going to take a lot of things going Dallas' way for them to win the series. There is plenty of blame to go around for Dallas without talking about the refs. Kyrie didn't show up for the first 2 games, and Dallas' role players have been mostly bad.

They needed to steal game 2 to have a chance. Last night was the nail in the coffin.

Kyrie is 0-12 versus the Celtics since stomping on Lucky.

Smart move, tough guy.

As great as the Celtics have been on defense, the Mavs offense is an absolute embarrassment.

They are 3 points lower than the worst offense during the regular season. It's impossible to win a series (or a game) like that.

[QUOTE=oldgoldy97;19499237]I like how the C’s keep getting votes now that they’re up 3-0.[/QUOTE]

This obliterates any Hairy poll. :flex:

[QUOTE=yiguiri2002;19499521]As great as the Celtics have been on defense, the Mavs offense is an absolute embarrassment.

They are 3 points lower than the worst offense during the regular season. It's impossible to win a series (or a game) like that.[/QUOTE]

But the Mavs offense is terrible because they are playing against one of the best defenses in NBA history.

[QUOTE=blackbears86;19499480]Dallas should have challenged Luka's 5th foul on Brown. That actually looked like Brown hooked him.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that if you are going to whine about every single foul and no foul call every game then you're not going to get the close calls going your way. Hopefully Luka takes this series as a learning experience and comes back next year in shape and with his mouth shut

[QUOTE=rms13;19499592]The problem is that if you are going to whine about every single foul and no foul call every game then you're not going to get the close calls going your way. [B]Hopefully Luka takes this series as a learning experience and comes back next year in shape and with his mouth shut[/QUOTE]
[/B]


He was being blasted on the sports talk shows this morning for the fouls that led up to #5 and #6, and his overall whining to the refs.


He is amazing from an offensive standpoint, but he needs to work on his conditioning, defense and attitude in the off season.

Looks like the Pacers will wind up having by far the best point differential of any playoff team that tried to stop the Celtics' steamroller.

[QUOTE=rms13;19499590]But the Mavs offense is terrible because they are playing against one of the best defenses in NBA history.[/QUOTE]

Super team!

[QUOTE=rms13;19499590]But the Mavs offense is terrible because they are playing against one of the best defenses in NBA history.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, but there are levels of terrible.

They could play like the 2nd worst offensive team of the season and they would be so much better than they are right now.

[QUOTE=Nomad;19499706]Looks like the Pacers will wind up having by far the best point differential of any playoff team that tried to stop the Celtics' steamroller.[/QUOTE]

The worst win differential though.

I actually thought if Luka fell straight back he would have gotten that charge call but it looked a mess when he went to the side.

There's an art to taking charges and Luka aint exactly a pro.

The real issue is the silly frustration foul early in the game. And some of the others.

Even with all the negativity surrounding him, everyone knows he's been the best player on the floor. If they can get the personnel right and he improves even 10% in fitness and attitude, Dallas will be back.

These Playoffs have been a bit of a disappointment. The East was terrible. And Luka dragged a team to the Finals that is no match for Boston.

[QUOTE=tjforce;19499806]The worst win differential though.[/QUOTE]



Keg half full?

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No brownie points in defeat. Though I will say the Pacers' offense is miles more efficient than Dallas' and play at a frantic pace 24/7, so they at least tire you a bit on the defensive end. If they can ever learn the discipline of stopping their opponents they [I]may[/I] have a bit of something going forward.

The Least was every bit the Least this year with the big star injuries. And the Heatles not emerging from this scenario, per usual, showed how funked this season was.

I don't think any of that would have mattered though. Celts are a juggernaut and most complete 1-10.

Kidd also made some dreadful coaching decisions.

Playing THJ was worth a try. But after the first 5 mins he was terrible and should have been hooked.

Needed to have more faith in Exum and Green.

PJ has been absolutely lost on defense. Dallas need to upgrade the wing spot desperately.

Siakam level to be honest

[QUOTE=yiguiri2002;19499521]As great as the Celtics have been on defense, the Mavs offense is an absolute embarrassment.

They are 3 points lower than the worst offense during the regular season. It's impossible to win a series (or a game) like that.[/QUOTE]


They have zero shot creators outside of their backcourt.

The Mavs have been able to place a rather large bandaid over this glaring deficiency all season by slowing the pace to a crawl and praying Lululemon can shoulder the brunt of the offensive load. Anything 30 points and under ain't gettin' it done.

[QUOTE=drobfan8;19499929]I actually thought if Luka fell straight back he would have gotten that charge call but it looked a mess when he went to the side.

There's an art to taking charges and Luka aint exactly a pro.

The real issue is the silly frustration foul early in the game. And some of the others.

Even with all the negativity surrounding him, everyone knows he's been the best player on the floor. If they can get the personnel right and he improves even 10% in fitness and attitude, Dallas will be back.

These Playoffs have been a bit of a disappointment. The East was terrible. And Luka dragged a team to the Finals that is no match for Boston.[/QUOTE]

Luka is the best offensive player on the floor. But that's only half the game and defense is important in the playoffs. The Mavs just don't have the other defenders that you need to hide Luka's incompetence. The Mavs have one more year to figure it out before Luka can opt out. And everyone can keep saying how terrible the east is but the team that beat everyone in the west is about to get swept so that excuse is really getting old.

Would the Timberwolves have done any better or had Ant truly run out of gas?

I think Denver would actually have been the ones to make this series competitive.

Clovers made a concerted effort to throttle Lulu's capability as a playmaker, which is his typically his best facet.

Now averaging 6 dishes after 3, which is entirely uncharacteristic for him.

You relegate him to being a scorer and he's basically D. Mitch.

Someone said something last night, might have been Grant Hill. Basically that the harder road of beating LAC OKC MIN looks like they took a toll on the team and they are pretty much gassed. Makes sense to a point but they did have a week of layoff so shouldn't be an excuse.

Boston is better than I thought. Still takes a team to win. I think Mavs shock the world and win a game tomorrow. Boston fans probably prefer this scenario also so they can win at home.

Against Denver, I remember Charles Barkley said about T Wolves, "Best defensive team he has ever seen."

Wolves had a slugfest against Denver and it took an outstanding elite defense to win the 7 game series. I still scratch my head what happened to that defense after Denver series ?

Minnesota thereafter looked like they were a shell of themselves the rest of the way.

You need a stout defense to win NBA ring. Dallas just doesn't quite have it.

They way both Denver and Minnesota played in their series, I would give the nod to either of them over Boston.

Match-ups count.

I grew up in LA during the 80's, watched Magic/Kerem & the bunch a lot. I hated Boston. However, Bird always had my respect. Don't want to start a debate, but Bird is in my all-time starting 5 (prime Bird was an absolute amazement). That said, I hate Boston.

But they way it all worked out this year, they get the chip, congrats.

[QUOTE=ninjacookies;19499976]They have zero shot creators outside of their backcourt.

The Mavs have been able to place a rather large bandaid over this glaring deficiency all season by slowing the pace to a crawl and praying Lululemon can shoulder the brunt of the offensive load. Anything 30 points and under ain't gettin' it done.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ninjacookies;19500112]Clovers made a concerted effort to throttle Lulu's capability as a playmaker, which is his typically his best facet.

Now averaging 6 dishes after 3, which is entirely uncharacteristic for him.

You relegate him to being a scorer and he's basically D. Mitch.[/QUOTE]

It's because the Celtics scheme has been pretty straightforward:

- Play Kyrie and Luka 1 on 1. They are switching from time to time and they have doubled a few times but is mostly man on man.

- Attach Luka/Kyrie on the P&R and ISO.

This is possible because of their roster but I think it's the way more teams are gonna play the Mavs in the playoffs in the future.

[QUOTE=Above the Rim;19500147]Against Denver, I remember Charles Barkley said about T Wolves, "Best defensive team he has ever seen."

Wolves had a slugfest against Denver and it took an outstanding elite defense to win the 7 game series. I still scratch my head what happened to that defense after Denver series ?

Minnesota thereafter looked like they were a shell of themselves the rest of the way.

You need a stout defense to win NBA ring. Dallas just doesn't quite have it.

They way both Denver and Minnesota played in their series, I would give the nod to either of them over Boston.

Match-ups count.

I grew up in LA during the 80's, watched Magic/Kerem & the bunch a lot. I hated Boston. However, Bird always had my respect. Don't want to start a debate, but Bird is in my all-time starting 5 (prime Bird was an absolute amazement). That said, I hate Boston.

But they way it all worked out this year, they get the chip, congrats.[/QUOTE]

I know matchups count, but the way Boston is playing, and the Nuggets and TWolves have their own flaws, especially Denver with their lack of depth..I think Bosto n beats either, maybe it's more competitive, but I still think Boston beats anyone in the West

[QUOTE=yiguiri2002;19500158]It's because the Celtics scheme has been pretty straightforward:

- Play Kyrie and Luka 1 on 1. They are switching from time to time and they have doubled a few times but is mostly man on man.

- Attach Luka/Kyrie on the P&R and ISO.

This is possible because of their roster but I think it's the way more teams are gonna play the Mavs in the playoffs in the future.[/QUOTE]

Most teams don't have nearly the same roster flexibility to employ this strat. You're talking the 2, most physical backcourt defenders in the league. Then 2 wings that can guard 1-4.

I have zero doubts the Finals would have had much different of an outcome (save for 1 or 2 wins by the losing squad) regardless who represented the west. I mean, sometimes it really is all about matchups. But if I'm shooting blind darts I'd maybe say Minnesota due to personnel. However, youth is still their roadblock.

Boston's been here more times than people can count. Biggest difference is they didn't HAVE to rely on Tatum brilliance this time around.
The Jrue acquisition and emergence of Conehead were huge. About time they finally seal the deal.

[QUOTE=Nomad;19500098]Would the Timberwolves have done any better or had Ant truly run out of gas?

I think Denver would actually have been the ones to make this series competitive.[/QUOTE]

I think Denver is the only team in the NBA that matches up well against the Celtics this season. I think that would have been an interesting series and probably 6-7 games. The C's would have no answer for Jokic and they'd let him do whatever he wanted like they have with Luka. But at the end of the day with the way the C's defense is playing I wouldn't really be afraid of Murray, Gordon, MPJ, KCP etc. It would probably be more competative but I still think the C's win. And the C's would have the coaching advantage.

[QUOTE=rms13;19500050]Luka is the best offensive player on the floor. But that's only half the game and defense is important in the playoffs. The Mavs just don't have the other defenders that you need to hide Luka's incompetence. The Mavs have one more year to figure it out before Luka can opt out. And everyone can keep saying how terrible the east is but the team that beat everyone in the west is about to get swept so that excuse is really getting old.[/QUOTE]

You do realise that Boston can be the best team in the league and the East can still be terrible right?

Which it is.

[QUOTE=ninjacookies;19500166]Most teams don't have nearly the same roster flexibility to employ this strat. You're talking the 2, most physical backcourt defenders in the league. Then 2 wings that can guard 1-4.

I have zero doubts the Finals would have had much different of an outcome (save for 1 or 2 wins by the losing squad) regardless who represented the west. I mean, sometimes it really is all about matchups. But if I'm shooting blind darts I'd maybe say Minnesota due to personnel. However, youth is still their roadblock.

Boston's been here more times than people can count. Biggest difference is they didn't HAVE to rely on Tatum brilliance this time around.
The Jrue acquisition and emergence of Conehead were huge. About time they finally seal the deal.[/QUOTE]

I think Denver would have been a better matchup than the Wolves. Specially with Porzingis injured. Although they might have let him cook and go for 40+ every game and shut the rest of the squad.

I also would have loved the Thunder matchup. If anything, that's the most intriguing one. I think Boston beats them all but I would have loved to see them go at it.

[QUOTE=drobfan8;19500345]You do realise that Boston can be the best team in the league and the East can still be terrible right?

Which it is.[/QUOTE]

This postseason has helped the Sixers a lot on their recruiting efforts.

Any Top 20 player is pretty much guaranteed a conference final if he joins them. Can't see anyone else beating them healthy, maybe the Knicks.

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No brownie points in defeat. Though I will say the Pacers' offense is miles more efficient than Dallas' and play at a frantic pace 24/7, so they at least tire you a bit on the defensive end. If they can ever learn the discipline of stopping their opponents they [I]may[/I] have a bit of something going forward.

The Least was every bit the Least this year with the big star injuries. And the Heatles not emerging from this scenario, per usual, showed how funked this season was.

I don't think any of that would have mattered though. Celts are a juggernaut and most complete 1-10.[/QUOTE]

The great ninja has spoken.

[QUOTE=yiguiri2002;19500478]This postseason has helped the Sixers a lot on their recruiting efforts.

Any Top 20 player is pretty much guaranteed a conference final if he joins them. Can't see anyone else beating them healthy, maybe the Knicks.[/QUOTE]

We'll also see the bar lifted for any team trying to contend.

Nobody will build a team to beat Denver, it will be to beat Boston.

Denver will need to reload also.

I would be intrigued by a Bos/Den or Bos/Min match up also in the finals.

Whilst I really like Luka, mainly because he can dominate like not too many can, but the ball sticking and one out play isn't the best way to play basketball.

[QUOTE=yiguiri2002;19500478]This postseason has helped the Sixers a lot on their recruiting efforts.

Any Top 20 player is pretty much guaranteed a conference final if he joins them. Can't see anyone else beating them healthy, maybe the Knicks.[/QUOTE]

The name I hear connected to Sixers the most is Paul George. If they added him I still wouldn't take them over Knicks, Cavs, Pacers next year. I wouldn't take them over a healthy Bucks or Heat. And I think the Magic could probably beat them in the playoffs with another year of experience and adding a couple of guys in the offseason. We've all seen enough Embiid in the playoffs to say there is no guarantee they'll get out of the first round let alone make the ECF.

You are all talking about who could contend next year when the team who might win the chip tonight has all it's major pieces on the roster next year who are entering their primes and really just needs to add another big man to back up Porzingis.

Celtics looking very good for the immediate future.

[QUOTE=blackbears86;19500626]You are all talking about who could contend next year when the team who might win the chip tonight has all it's major pieces on the roster next year who are entering their primes and really just needs to add another big man to back up Porzingis.

Celtics looking very good for the immediate future.[/QUOTE]

That's probably because a lot of folks, myself included, don't think the #5 seed Mavs were the best team out west.

[QUOTE=blackbears86;19500626]You are all talking about who could contend next year when the team who might win the chip tonight has all it's major pieces on the roster next year who are entering their primes and really just needs to add another big man to back up Porzingis.

Celtics looking very good for the immediate future.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. They'll basically have the same team next year and their core stars are 26 and 27 and will both be on the team for several more years.

Celtics will be the favorites in the East going in next year. 76ers will be there assuming they sign some good players - their entire team is free agents. Bucks will be in the mix of course for their last hurrah. Knicks, Pacers, Cavs need some rework done for them to break into the upper crust. Too early to tell, free agency changes things.

With the Pacers, a lot depends on whether Haliburton is his first-half or second-half self. Depth (and youth) alone carried the team in the second half.

[QUOTE=rms13;19500565]The name I hear connected to Sixers the most is Paul George. If they added him I still wouldn't take them over Knicks, [B]Cavs, Pacers[/B] next year. I wouldn't take them over a healthy Bucks or Heat. And I think the Magic could probably beat them in the playoffs with another year of experience and adding a couple of guys in the offseason. We've all seen enough Embiid in the playoffs to say there is no guarantee they'll get out of the first round let alone make the ECF.[/QUOTE]

Come on. I'm not high on playoff Embiid but a core of Embiid/PG/Maxey is clearly above those teams unless something major happens.

[QUOTE=blackbears86;19500626]You are all talking about who could contend next year when the team who might win the chip tonight has all it's major pieces on the roster next year [B]who are entering their primes[/B] and really just needs to add another big man to back up Porzingis.

Celtics looking very good for the immediate future.[/QUOTE]

Who's entering their prime? All Celtics are pretty much in their prime or past theirs. It would be shocking if any major rotation player is better next season.

Outside of a trade (which I fully expect), this season's team looks better than next season's team.

I don't think Brown's ceiling is solidified. Pritchard has some upward run. Oshae. Hauser. Who knows? If you have a 13-2 record across the scope of the playoffs, your immediate future could be a fall off a precipice and you would still find a way to win (if they can't re-sign Jrue all bets are off).

How does this Boston squad compare to the GOAT or ATG or legendary squads

Their current elo is 1770 or so, 65ish win strength so their regular season record looks for real and they are 15-2 in the playoffs besides. 1770 is roughly in the top 15 or so squads all time, thereabouts I think

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[QUOTE=GOATcards;19501121]How does this Boston squad compare to the GOAT or ATG or legendary squads

Their current elo is 1770 or so, 65ish win strength so their regular season record looks for real and they are 15-2 in the playoffs besides. 1770 is roughly in the top 15 or so squads all time, thereabouts I think

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If they win tonight, they will be the first NBA team ever to sweep the conference finals and the NBA finals.


Let that sink in. No other NBA team has done that.

But they’re tissue soft…

[QUOTE=blackbears86;19501224]If they win tonight, they will be the first NBA team ever to sweep the conference finals and the NBA finals.


Let that sink in. No other NBA team has done that.[/QUOTE]

That's pretty crazy...i would've thought a team had done that before

[QUOTE=4barrel;19501232]But they’re tissue soft…[/QUOTE]



I know!! The east is so weak. The west is so much better.


Amazing the Celtics are winning at all!

51 people voted that the Mavs would win this series?!?!?!?

[QUOTE=yiguiri2002;19501028]Come on. I'm not high on playoff Embiid but a core of Embiid/PG/Maxey is clearly above those teams unless something major happens.



Who's entering their prime? All Celtics are pretty much in their prime or past theirs. It would be shocking if any major rotation player is better next season.

Outside of a trade (which I fully expect), this season's team looks better than next season's team.[/QUOTE]

People really need to move on from Paul George. I see him as similar to Lillard or Harden. Big names, but they are past their primes, you'd be far better off paying someone younger on the up.

I think Boston will 100% be better next season. The East will hopefully get better. But this team is still on the up. They have experience and youth.

Boston can be beatable. We see they're still soft. Dallas have had opportunities to win games 2 and 3 and that team has some gaping holes.

D. White and Jrue have been incredible. Even their scrubs are contributing.

Are they a historically great team? They'll still have to prove that. They haven't had to beat 1 single contender to win the chip. Not their fault. But it's true.

Is this the weakest title of all time as far as strength of schedule?

Boston -8000
Dallas +2000
why

top 17 end-of-season [URL="https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/complete-history-of-the-nba"]Elo[/URL] scores (1750 and up) of championship teams (BOS 2024 is currently at [URL="https://neilpaine.substack.com/p/2023-24-nba-elo-ratings"]1771[/URL])

GSW 2017 - 1846
CHI 1996 - 1823
GSW 2015 - 1822
CHI 1997 - 1802
BOS 1986 - 1801
LAL 2009 - 1790
DET 1989 - 1788
CHI 1991 - 1785
CHI 1998 - 1785
LAL 2001 - 1779
LAL 1985 - 1764
SAS 2014 - 1764
CHI 1992 - 1762
CLE 2016 - 1759
SAS 2003 - 1757
SAS 1999 - 1756
MIA 2013 - 1754

[QUOTE=blackbears86;19501224]If they win tonight, they will be the first NBA team ever to sweep the conference finals and the NBA finals.


Let that sink in. No other NBA team has done that.[/QUOTE]

Saw that earlier and thought it said they would be 2nd team, but it didn't say who the 1st was.

[QUOTE=Nomad;19499706]Looks like the Pacers will wind up having by far the best point differential of any playoff team that tried to stop the Celtics' steamroller.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=tjforce;19499806]The worst win differential though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19499714]Super team![/QUOTE]

:cry:

Porzingis playing!


Surprising.

[QUOTE=blackbears86;19501458]Porzingis playing!


Surprising.[/QUOTE]

"Available" but I doubt he'll play at all. They'll probably just check him in at the end if they win so he can be on the floor in Dallas when the game ends.

....or the went to see the 2004 Red Sox team doctor and he did the Schilling stitch to his ankle and Porzingiz plays 35 minutes and is awesome.

My $1k series ending tithe quad legger.

Lululemon o29.5
Jrue o8.5ra
Tater Tot o39.5pra
PJ o4.5r

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Not playing ml or spreads. But gun to my head, Boston + points and another replay to the under.

Did shorty really just say 'Jose does that star spangled...'?

Outta pocket.

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[QUOTE=drobfan8;19501307]People really need to move on from Paul George. I see him as similar to Lillard or Harden. Big names, but they are past their primes, you'd be far better off paying someone younger on the up.

I think Boston will 100% be better next season. The East will hopefully get better. But this team is still on the up. They have experience and youth.

Boston can be beatable. We see they're still soft. Dallas have had opportunities to win games 2 and 3 and that team has some gaping holes.

D. White and Jrue have been incredible. Even their scrubs are contributing.

Are they a historically great team? They'll still have to prove that. They haven't had to beat 1 single contender to win the chip. Not their fault. But it's true.

Is this the weakest title of all time as far as strength of schedule?[/QUOTE]

I keep hearing that Boston is young. It's not. Their best players will be 26, 28 and 29 by the time next season start. The other main rotation players will be 30, 34 and 38.

It's sustainable because of age but it's hard to see this team become better outside of a trade. Which is why I think the FO will look for a Horford replacement in the offseason (or think that Tillman can become that)

Ruh roh.

No slow start for the clovers this time.

Mavs went to PJ Washington and DJJ isos in 3 possessions. 0 points.

Lively with the first 3 of his career. Gonna try everything tonight.

[QUOTE=yiguiri2002;19501609]I keep hearing that Boston is young. It's not. Their best players will be 26, 28 and 29 by the time next season start. The other main rotation players will be 30, 34 and 38.

It's sustainable because of age but it's hard to see this team become better outside of a trade. Which is why I think the FO will look for a Horford replacement in the offseason (or think that Tillman can become that)[/QUOTE]

I seriously doubt it. Horf will retire a Celtic and continue to play a role. He has 2 or 3 good seasons in him.

They are way over the cap though. But that won't affect them next season.

I disagree they're some old team.

Next year is no concern.

Lbkg with the nice fatboi move!

Nevermind. Traditional slow start confirmed.

[QUOTE=drobfan8;19501640]I seriously doubt it. Horf will retire a Celtic and continue to play a role. He has 2 or 3 good seasons in him.

They are way over the cap though. But that won't affect them next season.

I disagree they're some old team.

Next year is no concern.[/QUOTE]

I don't think they are old or young. They are in their prime.

I think Horford will continue but you can't keep playing him 1500 minutes and expect the same postseason output.

I wonder how much footage Kidd and the staff sent to the league office regarding the foul calls.

Yes Luka whines too much.
Yes he typically gets no favours as far as foul calls

[QUOTE=yiguiri2002;19501645]I don't think they are old or young. They are in their prime.

I think Horford will continue but you can't keep playing him 1500 minutes and expect the same postseason output.[/QUOTE]

If Horf is your main concern, then Boston aren't contenders next season.

They'll be just fine. I really doubt they make a move unless it's very minor

[QUOTE=drobfan8;19501646]I wonder how much footage Kidd and the staff sent to the league office regarding the foul calls.

Yes Luka whines too much.
Yes he typically gets no favours as far as foul calls[/QUOTE]



He's getting plenty of makeup calls from the refs tonight. That Horford foul was absolute crap.

meanwhile, Tatum getting mugged and no calls.

Great first quarter for the Mavs

[QUOTE=Onepocketj;19501663]Great first quarter for the Mavs[/QUOTE]



They actually showed some energy and Luka had a steal!

PJ is an idiot.

Mavs looking good.

everything going right for Dallas right now.

[QUOTE=blackbears86;19501651]He's getting plenty of makeup calls from the refs tonight. That Horford foul was absolute crap.

meanwhile, Tatum getting mugged and no calls.[/QUOTE]

Lol. Tatum has hardly been mugged. But maybe he can Luka and ask how he puts up with it

[QUOTE=ninjacookies;19501682]PJ is an idiot.[/QUOTE]

Gotta wonder if he's just young or if he'll ever be smart enough at this level. He has been lost defensively

[QUOTE=blackbears86;19501666]They actually showed some energy and Luka had a steal![/QUOTE]

Nah. Too fat, too slow

Wow. What a "mugging" on Tatum there

Embarrassing Boston. It’s my last night here and I wanted to celebrate. Way to screw that up.