On one hand I'm ok with this because it lets people do whatever they want. On the other hand I think we would need to adjust keeper prices as a result of passing this because this will league to a lot more players with crazy keeper values

Example, last year someone out of the running, let's say me, could have picked up Wander Franco, Luis Robert, Jo Adell, etc etc or even drafted them in the late rounds last year and just kept them for as long as they wanted and create an absolute juggernaut. Now of course it wouldn't always work out, and maybe their dues are just a donation for a few years while they wait on their guys, but if you hit on even just 2 or 3 studs and have them starting out at round 20 cost? This league is going to become not too fun pretty quick

We'd almost need tiered keeper values, i.e. if a player was drafted in rounds 2-6 their cost is +1, 7-12 is +2, 13-18 is +3, 19-25 is +4, something like that. That'd still give someone that did this a big advantage, but accellerate the timeline rather than potentally getting to keep someone for literally 10 years before their cost becomes a factor. I don't want to entirely mess this up as I do want to reward someone who takes a chance and gets a good keeper, but I don't want to ruin the league either. We already have a few guys like Juan Soto, Walker Buehler, Jack Flaherty, etc that are going to be kept for 10 years and give someone a huuuuuuge advantage, so if we do change something, I'd want to make sure it's not easy to abuse

Another option would be to limit how many years in a row someone could be kept, i.e. someone can only be kept 3 years in a row before they have to be tossed back. That'd help keep parity stronger and dissuade against abuse

[QUOTE=Ray27Ray52;15523284]Could I propose we vote on something? It's not important in the grand scheme of things but I'd like to bring it to a vote if possible.

I'm talking about being able to keep players that have no major league experience. I think if we draft a player, and they are in the ESPN system, we should be able to have the option to keep them. Obviously this proposed change wouldn't take effect until next year. Anyone agree?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;15523408]On one hand I'm ok with this because it lets people do whatever they want. On the other hand I think we would need to adjust keeper prices as a result of passing this because this will league to a lot more players with crazy keeper values

Example, last year someone out of the running, let's say me, could have picked up Wander Franco, Luis Robert, Jo Adell, etc etc or even drafted them in the late rounds last year and just kept them for as long as they wanted and create an absolute juggernaut. Now of course it wouldn't always work out, and maybe their dues are just a donation for a few years while they wait on their guys, but if you hit on even just 2 or 3 studs and have them starting out at round 20 cost? This league is going to become not too fun pretty quick

We'd almost need tiered keeper values, i.e. if a player was drafted in rounds 2-6 their cost is +1, 7-12 is +2, 13-18 is +3, 19-25 is +4, something like that. That'd still give someone that did this a big advantage, but accellerate the timeline rather than potentally getting to keep someone for literally 10 years before their cost becomes a factor. I don't want to entirely mess this up as I do want to reward someone who takes a chance and gets a good keeper, but I don't want to ruin the league either. We already have a few guys like Juan Soto, Walker Buehler, Jack Flaherty, etc that are going to be kept for 10 years and give someone a huuuuuuge advantage, so if we do change something, I'd want to make sure it's not easy to abuse

Another option would be to limit how many years in a row someone could be kept, i.e. someone can only be kept 3 years in a row before they have to be tossed back. That'd help keep parity stronger and dissuade against abuse[/QUOTE]

I hear ya. That's a lot to unpack there.

Maybe if we just said a player with no major league experience that is acquired through free agency or trade cannot be kept? If They are drafted AND kept on the same roster the entire season they are fair game to be kept.

To address one of your other points I have absolutely no problem with someone taking a bunch of flyer prospects at the end of their draft in an attempt to build a juggernaut. As long as everyone can do it what's the harm?

Edited to add- After digesting a bit more of what you wrote I can see the potential caveats of this rule change. It's a slippery slope that could lead to half the league keeping players in perpetuity for their entire careers. I get it, I just don't think it will be a huge issue. I could be wrong and it could be a cluster****. I see your points.

[QUOTE=Ray27Ray52;15522569]This is a one day offer because I like doing crazy s**t. Offer ends at the stroke of midnight Eastern time.

Yordan Alvarez available for trade. He is a 15th round keeper. You could have the reigning unanimous ROY for the price of a 2nd round pick. I don't need a player in return. Just a 2nd round pick.[/QUOTE]

I'm headed out to work until 3pm eastern. I'll leave this up until that time. I think it would be a pretty good deal for both sides.

problem with limiting the time you can keep someone is that goes agains the "keep them 1 round above what the prior year was" rule...if it was just 3yr max we mine as well just say ok keep your 5 best guys...

cuz whats the point then? like you said Soto/Buehler...i happen to believe i have the best hitter/pitcher duo in the league for value....so obviously i would be against: 1. a limit on time i can keep them and 2. accelerating the bump in rounds....

that would be over-correcting for a problem that "might" occur....

overall i do agree with Rays last post...to me if i draft a guy and keep him ALL YEAR on roster...and he never gets the call---i should be able to keep him... i sacrificed and rostered him all year....

this is way different than someone grabbing some guys on 9/1 who didnt get the call and stockpiling guys for round 15....

i have to believe that most people's intention is to win...so holding a guy who is at best coming up late summer all year is a big risk with a short bench in this league...

im totally fine with someone doing that...

in your "this could be bad" theory....someone would have to use their last 5 draft picks on prospects....then they would have to keep them all year and have NO BENCH players all year and at that point would mail in their season during the draft...ok cool maybe someone wants to do that...

then going into next year they keep all 5 guys...draft a team....still have NO BENCH until those guys do or do not get the call--hopefully in the early part of year for this teams sake...if they dont....year 2...Down the drain

now they keep all 5 again....now in rounds 18-23....draft a team...3 guys break camp with the team...other two are up by May lets say....

are all 5 gonna be studs...id bet my entry fee they will not

do 1-2 "hit" and become super valuable in this league for a decade...maybe...likely best case for this team would be:

Year 1--complete throw away
Year 2--highly likely thrown away
Year 3--hope 2 of them are good and productive and that you hit on the other guys you drafted that year and maybe make a run at playoffs
Year 4--2 of the 5 were duds...1 was really good as a rookie in yr3...1 was ok...1 was injured or just didnt make much noise...so now he doesnt keep 3 of those 5...keeps 2 of them in like round 16/17 at that point(essentially where i got soto/buehler)

And this would also take TONS of patience(i dont have that as im playing to win every single year no matter what) and this is not some huge money league so i dont see anyone playing this extreme of a long game

So for 4 years this guy would have nothing to show for it except if year 4 worked out and maybe won the league with a good draft and a couple of his coveted keepers panning out...but he tosses 3/5 back and basically is no different than any other team in the league

this would be a horrible strategy in my opinion and i would GLADLY welcome someone to do this...just means its an 11tm league for at least 1 yr....

**I agree though again that if you draft a guy and roster him all year long you can keep him the following year...you put in the time for that player...you should be able to at least see it through**

I would have no interest in holding players for 3-4 years till they hit the majors... But i would 100% be drafting guys like Gore/Mize last year or Adley Rutschman this year and holding them all year. I will gladly give up a bench spot to have a 20th round keeper that strong.

That said... I would probably be against it. I kinda like the gotta play in the majors policy.

[QUOTE=Viking6;15525859]I would have no interest in holding players for 3-4 years till they hit the majors... But i would 100% be drafting guys like Gore/Mize last year or Adley Rutschman this year and holding them all year. I will gladly give up a bench spot to have a 20th round keeper that strong.

That said... I would probably be against it. I kinda like the gotta play in the majors policy.[/QUOTE]

and this is the thing also though...this league being on BO is very aware of prospects...if we changed this rule guys like the ones you mentioned....for instance Mize....he would 100% not have lasted until the 20th round last year...and guys like Wander and all those wouldnt either...Vlad wasnt a given to come up in 2018 and didnt someone draft him in like the 10th round?? then couldnt keep him cuz he never came up and had to toss back...and that was knowing that rule was in place he still went in the 10th!!

if the rule changed he prob would have went even higher im betting...im sure of it

so we would need to think about that....maybe someone grabs some of the lesser-known guys late in the draft in rd20+...but the "studs" or sexy picks for prospects wouldnt last that long...no shot...and if someone wants to use like a 13th rounder for A.Rutschman...and keeps him for a 12th next year...i am 100% ok with that!

[QUOTE=texmcpherson;15519272]Looking to swap picks to get a 15th rounder. PM me if you have any flexibility with that slot.[/QUOTE]

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Alright I guess Yordan is going to stay as a keeper for me. It was worth a try.

[QUOTE=Ray27Ray52;15526503]Alright I guess Yordan is going to stay as a keeper for me. It was worth a try.[/QUOTE]

i dont have a 2nd rounder anymore...was bit too steep for me...might have looked more closely for a early 4th or something...idk


and Tex im with you...i need another 15th round pick...prob wont get one though...lol

TRADE OFFER---

I need a 2nd 15th rounder for a keeper spot...i have a keeper in Round 14 so I cant do the easy who wants an easy upgrade

Here is my offer:

I get:

your 15th round pick
your 13th round pick

You get:

my 13th round pick (1st pick in the round)
my 16th round pick (2nd pick in the round)

so no matter what team would want this would get a bump in rd13 to the top pick and then only drops to 2nd pick in 16...which essentially is like a 14th really since i assume most of 15 will be keepers!

Who wants this!!

If anyone IS NOT using their 15th round pick on a keeper I have the 1st pick in that round available for trade. Looking to move down in that round and up in another later round.

We pick right next to each other in both rounds. Want to move down 1 pick in the 15th and up 1 in the 16th? :o

[QUOTE=Ray27Ray52;15530119]If anyone IS NOT using their 15th round pick on a keeper I have the 1st pick in that round available for trade. Looking to move down in that round and up in another later round.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;15530310]We pick right next to each other in both rounds. Want to move down 1 pick in the 15th and up 1 in the 16th? :o[/QUOTE]

That's fine by me. Go ahead and put it through sir.

Blockbuster of the offseason!

[QUOTE=Ray27Ray52;15530322]That's fine by me. Go ahead and put it through sir.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;15530343]Blockbuster of the offseason![/QUOTE]

Annnnddd I just realized I'm keeping Clevinger in the 16th so that made no sense for me. LMAO It's ok though, it really doesn't affect anything.

I would have used that pick in the 15th to keep Alvarez which by default gave you the 1st pick in that round anyway. And I have two picks in the 16th so I'll just use the 1st one to make a pick and the other to keep Clevinger. No big deal.

I have some value in picks that may be worthwhile to be a 4th or 5th keeper on your teams.

In return im looking just for mid round jumps in the draft itself. anywhere in the 8-14th round.
Yasami Grandal - Round 7 value next year
Marcell Ozuna - Round 5 value next year
Matt Olson - Round 6 value next year
Jesus Luzardo - Round 10 value next year... this one prob the toughest to get
Robbie Ray round 4 value next year
Hector neris round 15 value next year
Liam Hendricks round 15 value next year
Yuri Gurriel - Round 15 value next year
Alex Verdugo round 15 value next year

Here's my keepers

1. Cody Bellinger
2. Alex Bregman
3. Fernando Tatis Jr
4. Austin Meadows
5. Mike Soroka

[QUOTE=Diem926;15532923]Here's my keepers

1. Cody Bellinger
2. Alex Bregman
3. Fernando Tatis Jr
4. Austin Meadows
5. Mike Soroka[/QUOTE]

That's a pretty sick lineup. Well done.

[QUOTE=Ray27Ray52;15533088]That's a pretty sick lineup. Well done.[/QUOTE]

Thanks buddy

Test..



Edit- So weird, I tried to post the below word for word like 5 times and it gives me a 500 error. But the test post worked fine... Editing what I wanted to say into this post and hoping it doens't happen again :confused:

Updated. Everyone is free to submit their keepers and I'll update on the draft sheet, but then it's on you to let me know if you want to make any changes. If I don't hear anything else before the deadline, I'll assume we're all set

[QUOTE=Diem926;15532923]Here's my keepers

1. Cody Bellinger
2. Alex Bregman
3. Fernando Tatis Jr
4. Austin Meadows
5. Mike Soroka[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;15533104]Test..[/QUOTE]

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Looking to trade into the 2nd round using the first pick of the 3rd (#25) + more for any 2nd rounder.

[QUOTE=Viking6;15496849]
Eckstein and I have agreed to a trade.

We are swapping picks in the following rounds: 2, 3, 5, 9

16, 33, 57, 105 for 22, 27, 51, 99[/QUOTE]

Hollywood can fix the spreadsheet right quick with this trade. Everything is good except that you still have Eck with pick 99 which is now mine.




KSmith.... Hit me up about possibly moving into the 2nd round. I still might keep Kershaw, but I can move it if i don't.

Fixed

[QUOTE=Viking6;15534533]Hollywood can fix the spreadsheet right quick with this trade. Everything is good except that you still have Eck with pick 99 which is now mine.




KSmith.... Hit me up about possibly moving into the 2nd round. I still might keep Kershaw, but I can move it if i don't.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=jstasyk1121;15528534]TRADE OFFER---

I need a 2nd 15th rounder for a keeper spot...i have a keeper in Round 14 so I cant do the easy who wants an easy upgrade

Here is my offer:

I get:

your 15th round pick
your 13th round pick

You get:

my 13th round pick (1st pick in the round)
my 16th round pick (2nd pick in the round)

so no matter what team would want this would get a bump in rd13 to the top pick and then only drops to 2nd pick in 16...which essentially is like a 14th really since i assume most of 15 will be keepers!

Who wants this!![/QUOTE]

Updating this offer!!!

My 13th--Pick 145
My 16th--Pick 182
My 18th--Pick 206

You give up:

Your 13th rounder(will be lower than mine)
Your 15th rounder...really no change from my 16th since most of 15 will be keepers
Your 18th rounder...mine is pick 2 that round so yours will be lower most likely as well

Someone has to want this...it helps you multiple times and all i really need is a 2nd 15th rounder for keeper reasons...

ANYONE not keeping a player in rd15....take this offer!