[QUOTE=Dbacksbaseball;12028974]That fine you're entitled to your opinion. However you are making it seem as if I am saying worst content release of Heritage. No... Worst Value release of Heritage. Which can be proven. Look at the past 5 pages, look at eBay were seeing insane prices. Harper actions potentially going to 5-6 bucks tonight (25% of the prices at bottom out last year.) Multiple cards that are historically $25-40 cards under $10! You think next week, or even next month will see these come back up to 'regular numbers'. No. A slight bump in the coming weeks, maybe...heck I'll give you probably. But cards gaining 400% to get back to normal......well I don't expect to see pigs flying this week, so I would say fat chance.

So case value down at minimum 40-50% of last year. Case price at release up about 30%....I'm pretty confident standing behind that statement, and would take a few gentlemen's bets.[/QUOTE]

I never said anything of the sort. I am merely pointing out that it is way too early to judge the value of this release based on less than a week of time. That's it. Frankly, with all the cheap stuff being purchased right now, this may end up being the release with the most value in the long run.

Flip back is all about feel. It should be smooth on back and rougher in front. Just opposite feel of regular cards. If you sift through them, it is easy to find.

flip stock has a light really glossy back and the front is rough almost like a wood card

The card is literally flipped ...

I have never had a problem seeing them.. But if you are new im sure it could be

[QUOTE=Sushiyoshi;12029145]Flip back is all about feel. It should be smooth on back and rougher in front. Just opposite feel of regular cards. If you sift through them, it is easy to find.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=kyle1707;12029148]flip stock has a light really glossy back and the front is rough almost like a wood card

The card is literally flipped ...

I have never had a problem seeing them.. But if you are new im sure it could be[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I just didn't know to look for them at the time. I'll thumb back through them sounds like it should be pretty simple to spot

[QUOTE=kyle1707;12029148]flip stock has a light really glossy back and the front is rough almost like a wood card

The card is literally flipped ...

I have never had a problem seeing them.. But if you are new im sure it could be[/QUOTE]



Thanks guys! Gonna check my boxes now! I am such a noob to this product, but am having so much fun with it! I'm definitely hooked on heritage...:)

Which cards should be sold now and which to hold back?

Trying to figure out what I should list now and what to hold. For previous years Heritage, I did not sell anything and still have everything from breaking boxes so not sure on how well certain cards how their values. Want to start selling this years stuff that may go down in prices and then start on previous years when I have time.

[QUOTE=lauriontj;12029104]I'm looking for this answer as well. I am a complete noob to heritage and only checked the codes on the backs of the cards:

"
Base - #1867
Base SP (#401-500) - #69
Error - #70
Action/Rookie - #71
Throwback - #72
Traded - #73
Color Swap - #74
"

However, I'm not sure what "flip stock" means? Also, while reading, I'm understanding that the "bright yellow" will be easy to spot because it has a glossy finish?

Any clarification is appreciated!

Also, are there any other SP's to be aware of other than from the codes above?[/QUOTE]

The yellow backs, flip backs, & grey backs are the different sp variations that the code does not change on.

[QUOTE=Sushiyoshi;12029180]Which cards should be sold now and which to hold back?

Trying to figure out what I should list now and what to hold. For previous years Heritage, I did not sell anything and still have everything from breaking boxes so not sure on how well certain cards how their values. Want to start selling this years stuff that may go down in prices and then start on previous years when I have time.[/QUOTE]

Based on this thread actions and color swaps should be a hold.

RC autos are going for good money. A lot of collectors and flippers need the 401-500 SP's, list singles and you should do well.

How do you guys think the Seager error card will settle down at?
I'm trying to get one, but see prices ending all over the place.
While auctions are going up as high as $110, I see BIN BO being accepted at around $80.
And those BIN BO original listing is at $89.99 so I don't understand why people bid up the auctions surpassing that price.
Why does this happen? Are the bidders just getting too heated to bidding and not seeing the BIN BO listings?
And there is no trend in the change of sold prices. It gets sold high, then low, then high, then low again. It is not like we see the card being sold cheaper and cheaper as one gets sold.

I'm a newbie to Heritage as well (though I bought some hobby boxes from 2016), and trying to figure out what is the "appropriate" price for these error cards.
I personally think Ichiro errors are going for too low considering the place he has in hobby, but don't know if I see it that way just because I collect his cards often and might be little biased to valuing his cards too high.

It may be that a lot of sellers are just trying too hard to collect their losses, and I saw a lot of that discussion on action variation cards, but not much about the error cards.
Alpreicate if you guys can share any insights to this!

[QUOTE=okumeister;12029264]How do you guys think the Seager error card will settle down at?
I'm trying to get one, but see prices ending all over the place.
While auctions are going up as high as $110, I see BIN BO being accepted at around $80.
And those BIN BO original listing is at $89.99 so I don't understand why people bid up the auctions surpassing that price.
Why does this happen? Are the bidders just getting too heated to bidding and not seeing the BIN BO listings?
And there is no trend in the change of sold prices. It gets sold high, then low, then high, then low again. It is not like we see the card being sold cheaper and cheaper as one gets sold.

I'm a newbie to Heritage as well (though I bought some hobby boxes from 2016), and trying to figure out what is the "appropriate" price for these error cards.
I personally think Ichiro errors are going for too low considering the place he has in hobby, but don't know if I see it that way just because I collect his cards often and might be little biased to valuing his cards too high.

It may be that a lot of sellers are just trying too hard to collect their losses, and I saw a lot of that discussion on action variation cards, but not much about the error cards.
Alpreicate if you guys can share any insights to this![/QUOTE]



lots of people are saying they are new...

Think of it this way for a buyer.. there is no better time to be buying..

market is like a bear just standing in a river on a salmon run.. 100's of cards coming in every hour. you can ge3t whatever you want..

Cards like the Harper error and the seager error.. Your seeing these everywhere.. people fighting to sell at lower price... Will never be his many posted

When you have a ssp with a big name like harper seager.. its time to buy.
i got my harper for 77 dollars... in 6 months will not see them

Heritage is very different then other products. so many collectors..

People buy and keep.. THese 2 should be bought right now along with the action rcs... those 7 cards stand out like sore thumb

when buying you still have to go with big names at flood prices..

my list of buying

seager error
harper error
color swap and actions harper trout seager bryant bigger names
3d any at 15-20 dollars might see auctions at 11-12

and of course any variation at auction that is ended for 2-3-4 bucks no matter name

Hit show today and picked up a sealed hobby box to keep Sealed
And some actions and old timer auto! We're a few dealers with it. One dealer had a amazing display. With throwback trout and rizz!
Getting a good look at product. I think it's easy a solid A!!! I like it a lot
Better than 2016. 2017 is easily up with 2013 and 2014 my two favorite years.

Cards look great. Nice stock. I love heritage in that pulling autos is tough and how they have old school no names sign in it
Along with some big names. Fun product!! Now if
only online breakers were more like hudini and know what to look for. My only complaint with H breaks were the annoying background music/noise. Almost make them unwatchable. Just loose that for your 2017 ginter breaks and I'll be watching haha

Also big props on action shots. The KB is a
Classic!!' Also love Mad Bum in batting helmet running.

[QUOTE=pnft17;12029528]Also big props on action shots. The KB is a
Classic!!' Also love Mad Bum in batting helmet running.[/QUOTE]

Everything new is the "best" at the moment.. i get that..

But i have always been a huge fan 1968 and 1969 topps

This is my favorite Heritage product ..

Did such a great job with the base photos

Gleaming Blue sky every where...

I love the action photos

the jersey cards so much better then years past

i could go on and on

If I had the time/funds I would definitely try to build the Blue /50 base set

[QUOTE=pnft17;12029515] Now if
only online breakers were more like hudini and know what to look for. My only complaint with H breaks were the annoying background music/noise. Almost make them unwatchable. Just loose that for your 2017 ginter breaks and I'll be watching haha[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you need a new online breaker - the breaks I was part of had every variation, color swap and such identified. Granted the breaks took around 90-120 mins but nothing appeared to be missed.

Considering listing all of my variations and hits tonight on 7-day auction. Or should I wait another week or two? I've listed the chromes, a few high numbers, and all of the rediscover cards on auction. Also done very well early on selling base commons and high numbers. Just wondering if it's too soon to list auctions tonight or not.

I went in thinking I'm going to trade my hits for base SPs for my master set. Now I'm wondering whether my Harper color swap and Benny/Bregman actions are worth holding onto, and going in deeper $$$wise.

And now I am actually considering going for the blue set passively. If I can find commons for 1-2 bucks I'm going to pile them up.

[QUOTE=beauspencer;12029687]Considering listing all of my variations and hits tonight on 7-day auction. Or should I wait another week or two? I've listed the chromes, a few high numbers, and all of the rediscover cards on auction. Also done very well early on selling base commons and high numbers. Just wondering if it's too soon to list auctions tonight or not.[/QUOTE]

I ran a few auctions that ended last night....not good. I'd wait

For those that are going back though your cards to search for "flip stock" cards, you can grab a handful and fan them out upside down and hold them to the light. If one appears shiny, I have a flip stock card.

Wow anyone see Mighty Goat break a box heritage on YouTube. Now that guy cracked me up!
I'd wait and list in few weeks. Wait for the flood to receed...lots of people still breaking.
But like Kyle said heritage has a lot of
Serious set collectors that buy and then it goes straight into the vaults.
If you have rarer stuff list now though.

[QUOTE=kyle1707;12029512]lots of people are saying they are new...

Think of it this way for a buyer.. there is no better time to be buying..

market is like a bear just standing in a river on a salmon run.. 100's of cards coming in every hour. you can ge3t whatever you want..

Cards like the Harper error and the seager error.. Your seeing these everywhere.. people fighting to sell at lower price... Will never be his many posted

When you have a ssp with a big name like harper seager.. its time to buy.
i got my harper for 77 dollars... in 6 months will not see them

Heritage is very different then other products. so many collectors..

People buy and keep.. THese 2 should be bought right now along with the action rcs... those 7 cards stand out like sore thumb

when buying you still have to go with big names at flood prices..

my list of buying

seager error
harper error
color swap and actions harper trout seager bryant bigger names
3d any at 15-20 dollars might see auctions at 11-12

and of course any variation at auction that is ended for 2-3-4 bucks no matter name[/QUOTE]

Thank you.
I'll try to get some of the cards that I want in the lower side of pricings.
Seager swap, Seager error, Ichiro error etc... probably will buy multiple of these.
I also like the flip stock, but those do not seem to be valued too much. I guess they aren't too popular. I think I can find some bargain on those.

I search for the gray backs on eBay, and see a lot of pics that can't definitively tell if they are really gray back or not (at least in my eye).
Not seeing in hand and seeing it as digital image probably makes it harder to tell as well.
I think there might be some returns of these with the sellers unintentionally selling the regular back as gray back, or the buyer thinking that they are not gray backs (while it actually might be) once the card is in their hand.

Just lost out on an auction for PSA 10 2015 TH Kris Bryant refractor. Ended at 382 and my max was 379 :''''''(

Finished a master set 1-500 + 4 insert sets with my 2 cases! :)!
Went from 1 case of this to two last year and will be doing 4 next year.

It seems like there are a lot of unknowns still. Here is a picture of what a bright yellow, gray back, and flip stock look like.


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